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highvel
February 2, 2010, 11:32 PM
Does anyone know why the Accelerator ammo disappeared?
I dont remember anything being talked about news wise, it just dried up.
Did they, or do they ever sell sabots for handloaders in smokeless centerfire sizes?

Grandpatime
February 2, 2010, 11:49 PM
these http://www.ammo-one.com/SABOT.html

Chaz88
February 2, 2010, 11:57 PM
I used to buy them factory loaded to hunt coyotes with my 30-06. When they went away in factory loads I was told they were outlawed because it left no rifling on the bullet. Never researched it but as far as I know that was the story.

Grandpatime
February 3, 2010, 12:01 AM
i think they weren't exactly tac drivers+ pricey

Chaz88
February 3, 2010, 12:07 AM
i think they weren't exactly tac drivers+ pricey

No they weren't tack drivers by a long shot. Especially when taking a long shot. That is why I wasn't overly concerned when they weren't available anymore and didn't look into it any further. That was many years ago and my 06 was my only center-fire rifle. I just went back to using one of dads.

K8vf
February 3, 2010, 12:09 AM
Mebbe not tack drivers, but if your 30 -30 would shoot 3 inch groups, so would the accellerators. I remember a magazine article some years back which said the same.

In my Marlin 336, the Accellerators group quite well, slightly better than my 150 grain factory loads. Under One inch at 50 yards last time I shot.

Perfect for me to use as coyote loads in the Michigan woods, as long as they last.

I hope to find some more soon.

Grandpatime
February 3, 2010, 12:12 AM
thats why i think they went out i mean why pay high price for something that doesn't deliver (literally) .I want to get into coyote hunting thinking about using 300 win mag with 110 grain barnes .

10-96
February 3, 2010, 03:00 AM
I want to get into coyote hunting thinking about using 300 win mag with 110 grain barnes . Seriously? No offense, I've known a guy or two who thought it was a hoot to hunt pasture poodles with a .45-70, but wouldn't a .243 fit the bill in a whole lot cheaper and cost efficient way? I keep mine loaded with 58gr V-Max's and don't even bother with the 70gr TNT's anymore- and that is good for 440yds (to date).

Do you have a good .300WM load worked up that will group well with that 110gr? How far off of the lands are you seating?

Locoweed
February 3, 2010, 08:58 AM
Take a look in the E. Arthur Brown catalog. They used to carry the sabots in a couple calibers.

Grandpatime
February 3, 2010, 10:50 AM
the way i see it it doesn't matter how much meat damage it does to a coyote your not going to eat it any way.

Tom Matiska
February 3, 2010, 11:28 AM
Just checked Mr Remington's site and it shows the 30-30 offering as discontinuted, but the 3006 55gr is still there.... who knows how much longer.


http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/core-lokt/core-lokt-centerfire.aspx

Chaz88
February 3, 2010, 01:44 PM
the way i see it it doesn't matter how much meat damage it does to a coyote your not going to eat it any way.

Back when I used accelerators the pelts where worth quite a bit. The smaller the entrance and exit hole the better.

okie2
February 3, 2010, 03:41 PM
any one can get sabots anytime they want for any caliber all you have to do is go to some little machine shop give then the diminsions and they can make them for you.

James R. Burke
February 3, 2010, 04:53 PM
I have never tryed them but have heard many times it is very hard to clean the plastic out of the rifling. But I never did try them. Right now I have a Ruger No 1 A Light Sporter, that I am using a Hornady 110 V-Max in. In a five shot average I am getting 3712 f.p.s. and I am still under the max, without any signs of presure. It is a 30-06. I am sure someone better would do even better than me. This is no target rifle by any means, just your regular deer rifle. Of course they are custom handloaded for that rifle only. They make them in lots of differnt calibers for sure the 30 cal, and now I believe they have one out for the 270, and all the smaller ones. I found them devasting. You would not want to use them to keep a pelt. I shot a porky pine that was a very long ways away in a tree, all you could see was a red mist go up in the air. Gives you something to do in the winter, and make a nice yote round that I am going to try coming up soon. For myseld I dont need anymore speed than that from a 30-06, and its plenty accurate just for myself. Just my .2 cents.

davecharles
February 3, 2010, 06:30 PM
mmmmm, Coyote, Kinda tastes like a fox on steriods.:D

Chaz88
February 3, 2010, 09:16 PM
mmmmm, Coyote, Kinda tastes like a fox on steriods.

You are a sick man! It is hard to even skin one of those mangy critters on a full stomach.

L_Killkenny
February 3, 2010, 09:34 PM
It's a business move. Why make a product that 10 people want? I never thought much of them and think they are pointless but whether they work or not isn't the point, they simply collect dust on dealer shelves. You can have the greatest product on the face of the earth and if no one want's it you'd be an idiot to keep making it.

LK

reloader28
February 4, 2010, 12:02 AM
I bought some sabots on e-bay and loaded 30-30 and 30/06 with 55gr's.
Didnt group very good.
I could see where they might be fun if you played with the loads, but I lost interest. Still have some loaded for 30/06 ,but I think I shot the 30-30's.
Very fast speeds. Didnt chrono, but supposedly 4000fps from a 30-30 and 4400fps from 30/06. That might be why they didnt group good.
Didnt notice any problems with plastic in the barrel tho with the few I shot.

Double Naught Spy
February 4, 2010, 12:14 AM
I was told they were outlawed because it left no rifling on the bullet. Never researched it but as far as I know that was the story

Obviously, sabots are not illegal, at least not in any state with which I am familiar. There isn't any federal law stating rifling marks must be left on a fired bullet.

I just love have bizarre rumor/explanations get started.

jrothWA
February 4, 2010, 12:39 AM
@ 300 yds for sightin in, using the 200 yd hunting setting on scope,
held the target on the "X", fired three round, went to see impact.

Pulled target could fine anthinng on the 300 yd target face, looked further and there at the "missed" (aka; maggie's drawer) was the three round about 2.5 feet above POA. group was about 2".

I was using prone and sling.

Would like to obtain more.

condition_ONE
February 4, 2010, 06:18 AM
If I recall correctly, the .30-30 stuff was discontinued because most .30-30s have tubular magazines, and the .30-30 sabot rounds had 55gr. hollowpoints and 55gr. softpoints, both of which were of a spitzer shape with secant ogive- pretty pointy. I don't think I'd want something as pointy as a .22 cal hollowpoint in my tube mag resting against a primer.

Anyone ever try any of the .308 or .30-06 stuff in an autoloader?

okie2
February 4, 2010, 06:32 AM
I was told they were outlawed because it left no rifling on the bullet. Never researched it but as far as I know that was the story

Is this true for shot guns too the shot in them is in a sobot too?

condition_ONE
February 4, 2010, 07:32 AM
I was told they were outlawed because it left no rifling on the bullet. Never researched it but as far as I know that was the story

Is this true for shot guns too the shot in them is in a sobot too?

Did you even read any of the existing replies to the original post? This is totally untrue.

But you do bring up a good point- if it were true, then the same legislation would outlaw sabot shotgun slugs as well, and they're perfectly legal and are growing in popularity every day. So a little common sense would have answered your question for you.

Chaz88
February 4, 2010, 09:09 AM
I was told they were outlawed because it left no rifling on the bullet. Never researched it but as far as I know that was the story

Is this true for shot guns too the shot in them is in a sobot too?

I was not stating this as fact or trying to start a rumor. As stated, this is something I was told (by a store owner) and I did not researech it. It was before Gore "invented the internet" for us. At the time there was a lot of controversy going on over "cop killer" amunition and "untracabel" amunition. Things tended to travel face to face and got mixed up and passed on as fact.

Again sorry, was not stating as fact and did not care enough about this round to research it after the store stopped stocking it.

farmall
February 4, 2010, 10:41 AM
I was given 9 full boxes of this stuff a few years back, but never shot any of it, as my only '06 is a Garand!

Always heard reports of "minute of barn" accuracy.

Andy

tirod
February 4, 2010, 11:02 AM
any one can get sabots anytime they want for any caliber all you have to do is go to some little machine shop give then the diminsions and they can make them for you.

Not happening. 1) Sabots are plastic inserts, not hard metal. Many game departments have regulations against firing loads with dual projectiles - and a hard metal insert would travel much further downrange. I question whether it would even separate from the bullet.

2) Plastic inserts are a darn sight cheaper, work with the reloading process, and the petals are designed to open up so they drop off within a few feet of the muzzle.

3) The setup charge at the machine shop is going to be more than they're worth - and the shop owner will make sure of it, he's not got the time for a project like sabots when there are are more important customers waiting.

Did I mention the 6 week+ backlog at most good shops? They aren't sitting around waiting for walk-in customers.

K8vf
February 4, 2010, 12:52 PM
I use them in My Marlin and Winchester levers, BUT REMEMBER, ONE IN CHAMBER< ONE IN MAGAZINE.

Do it all of the time..The other formula is an accellerator in the barrel and follow up with whatever you like.(other than accelerators)

Personally, I dont feel handicapped by a 2 shot gun.

As far as "what is the point" etc, they are an alternative to buying another gun that a guy might only use occasionally. Instead he uses the accellerators occasionally.

Picher
February 4, 2010, 01:27 PM
I bought a box for the 30-06 when they were first offered, but didn't like the big difference in the POI between them and regular 125-150 grain bullets in my free-floated barrel. They might not print as much off in a rifle with an upward pressure pad in the forend.

The ones I had didn't open up as quickly as I thought they should and they didn't group better than about 1 1/4" at 100 yards.

James R. Burke
February 4, 2010, 04:54 PM
Like I said the V-Max works great in the bigger calibers without a sabot, and they make them for the .30 calibers, and I believe quit a few others including the .270. I heard some bad stories on the plastic fouling out the rifling, but never tryed them myself. If you reload give that V-Max a try, and I dont think you would be sorry. They might even make them loaded but not sure on that. Plus you have a way bigger bullet moving at almost the same speed, without no sabot.