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IRONPONY
February 1, 2010, 12:14 PM
This weekend , I will be getting my AK 47 out of lay-a-way.
I have an ammo question.
What is the difference between 7.62 x 39 ammo & 7.62 x 54 ammo ?
Will both type ammo fire from my gun ?
I am about to go on line to buy some ammo & before doing so, I verify this with you gents.
Thanks, appreciate an explanation.

pvt.Long
February 1, 2010, 12:17 PM
7.62x54 is designed for the mousin nagat and draganov rifles. No it won't fit in your ak the 7.62x39 is a much shorter round.

IRONPONY
February 1, 2010, 12:19 PM
thanks for the quick reply :) , just got off the phone with a rep & she explain to me also.
Glad I check with you guys before purchasing the ammo, they do have my ammo on hand though 7.6 x 39.

IRONPONY
February 2, 2010, 12:49 AM
Ammo that I bought this weekend is Winchester 7.62 rifle ammo.
It does not say on the box 7.62 x 39 or 7.62 x 54. :(
I did go on line & ordered 7.62 x 39 ammo :)

February 2, 2010, 12:59 AM
Not an expert on AKs but I don't think the x54s will fit in the magazine anyway. So that's a way to tell which one they are.

jkohler
February 2, 2010, 01:07 AM
7.62x54 seats on the rim and is a hole lot bigger than the 7.62x39 witch seats on the neck way diff wont even fit the mag:eek:

10-96
February 2, 2010, 02:55 AM
The Winchester 7.62 is likely 7.62x51 (.308 Winchester) and sorry, but if it is- then it is also a no-go for your AK. Just to make sure you don't get caught up buying or getting sold a bunch of stuff you don't need- do a little research. It'll save ya all sorts of headaches in the longrun. Google this- "wikipedia 7.62x39"

benroe
February 2, 2010, 04:39 AM
What he said. Do some online research about your rifle and its long proud history!! Then go out and shoot the crap out of it. It only fires 7.62x39 ammo. I thought I needed to enforce that.

blume357
February 2, 2010, 05:59 AM
all over the world... dem commies like to crank out ammo.

five40five
February 2, 2010, 08:23 AM
READ,READ,READ It's the best thing you can do...Go to the library and go thru all the gun magazines and READ

pvt.Long
February 2, 2010, 12:06 PM
If you have any questions all you gotta do is ask and someone will give you an answer that will set you in the right direction.

IRONPONY
February 2, 2010, 12:24 PM
Thanks , the proper ammo is coming in today from cheaper than dirt.
Guess the winchester is a no go, it only says 7.62 on the box.
When I ordered from cheaper than dirt, I spoke to a rep & got the details.
Looking forward to the weeknd & shooting. :)

tightgrouper
February 2, 2010, 08:03 PM
Gun shops usually have Wolf 7.62x39 for a decent price. I pay $8 per 20 OTD right down the street from my house. Russian ammo for a Russian design. That's 1 Wolf round I love.

Booner B
February 2, 2010, 09:04 PM
Enjoy your new purchase, which AK did you get? have you tried it yet?

Webleymkv
February 2, 2010, 09:23 PM
When a cartidge is labeled as a.aaxbbmm, the second number refers to the length of the cartridge case. for example 7.62x39 means a bullet which is 7.62mm in diameter and a case that is 39mm long. 7.62x39 ammunition loaded by american ammo makers is usually labeled as "7.62 Soviet" or "7.62x39 Soviet" though you may occasionally hear it called ".30 Russian Short". This cartridge is most commonly found in the AK family of weapons, the Ruger Mini-Thirty semi-automatic rifle, and the SKS semi-automatic rifle. While not interchangeable, ballistically it is slightly below a .30-30 Winchester.

When you get some ammo that you know is correct, you should be able to easily tell if you Winchester ammo is 7.62x51 NATO, as the case will be considerably longer than a 7.62x39.

7.62x51 NATO is dimensionally identical to .308 Winchester, though the pressure specifications are slightly different, and some rifles can shoot both interchangeably. 7.62x51 NATO is chambered in all sorts of weapons including the FAL, G3, and M14

7.62x54R is a very different cartridge. It is easily distinguished from both 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 because it is longer, has a pronounced taper to the case, and has a very pronounced rim. This cartridge is commonly chambered in the Mosin-Nagant family of bolt-action rifles, The SVD Dragunov Semi-Automatic rifle, The Romanian PSL semi-automatic rifle, and the SVT Tokarev family of semi-automatic rifles. While it is not interchangeable, it is comparable in ballistics to 30-06, .308 Win/7.62x51 NATO, .303 British, 7.92x57 Mauser, 7.65 Argentine Mauser, or most other full-power battle rifle cartridges.

pvt.Long
February 2, 2010, 09:25 PM
ive had a very good experience from cheaper than dirt even at their main store every single time i walk in i go:eek: and totaly forget what im in there for they have a whole wall of nothing but rifles and shot guns and a whole display case longer then my apartment full of hand guns... just makes you want to get on your knees and praise the gun god its an amzeing place if your ever in ft.worth texas look them up.

kilimanjaro
February 2, 2010, 11:03 PM
7.62 is the bullet diameter in millimeters. x39 is the cartridge case length, hence 7.62x39. It's based on the parent round, the 7.62x54. The longer round was the Imperial Russian rifle round from 1891, and is still in service. It's about equal to our .30-06 of the same era. The 7.62x39 was developed in WW II to answer the need for a reduced-power rifle round for assault weapons. It's the same bullet, with a smaller case. The Germans also did the same thing, reducing the 7.92mm Mauser round down to 7.92mm Kurz (meaning 'short'), for their late-war assault rifles.

Don't store the weapon loaded, don't store the magazines loaded, and enjoy it! Keep it clean and oiled.

Webleymkv
February 2, 2010, 11:17 PM
Another issue of note. Many people report poor accuracy with domestically produced 7.62x39 ammunition when shooting it in an AK or SKS. The reason for this is that while the cartridge is labeled as a 7.62mm, it is often loaded with larger diameter bullets than western 7.62 cartridges like the 7.62x51 NATO. As loaded by the eastern bloc, 7.62x39 uses a .312" diameter bullet like a .303 British or 7.7 Japanese would while 7.62x51 and other western .30 caliber cartridges like 30-06 and .30-30 Winchester typically use a .308" diameter bullet. Most domestically produced 7.62x39 ammo uses undersized .308 bullets thusly leading to possible accuracy issues when fired in an eastern bloc gun. An exception to this are older Ruger Mini-Thirties as many of them had .308" diameter bores. Newer Mini-Thirties, however, have apparently switched to a .312" bore to take advantage of the inexpensive, imported ammunition in this caliber.

pvt.Long
February 2, 2010, 11:22 PM
well for accuracy the 7.62x54r or 39r not the greatest in the world they were designed for combat not as target ammunition. just as the rifles. The ak and the draganov rifles not the most accurate rifles in the world,but they are the most durable cheapest weapons that will do their job which is as a combat weapon. Thats what we westerners have to understand. A lot of us complain about the aks accuracy well it was designed to be used in situations where your enemy was withing 300 meters.

Webleymkv
February 2, 2010, 11:27 PM
well for accuracy the 7.62x54r or 39r not the greatest in the world they were designed for combat not as target ammunition. just as the rifles. The ak and the draganov rifles not the most accurate rifles in the world,but they are the most durable cheapest weapons that will do their job which is as a combat weapon.

Actually, AK's are capable of excellent accuracy if the right variant and proper ammunition is used. The Finnish Valmet in particular is noted for being among the most accurate of the AK family when fed high-quality ammuniton.

Also, while the Dragunov may not be as accurate as many other sniper rifles, Mosin-Nagants are capable of excellent accuracy. The M91/30 and in particular the Finnish M39 are known to be quite accurate with high quality ammunition. It doesn't seem to be particularly uncommon for these rifles to shoot near MOA with the right ammo.

IRONPONY
February 3, 2010, 09:47 AM
Booner , mine shoots the 7.62 x 39.
I will pick it up this weekend.

tightgrouper
February 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
I believe he meant, which country of origin is your AK from?. What variant of the AK design is it?

IRONPONY
February 3, 2010, 10:57 AM
sorry , Romarm gpwasp- 10/63 ,soviet rifle

tightgrouper
February 3, 2010, 11:03 AM
I just got a WASR 10/63 (Romanian AKM).
It functions as it should, and hits fast and hard with decent accuracy.
I love the unique sound and feel of the Kalash rifle. I just need to practice more with it. That's the fun part though.:)

Patriot78
February 3, 2010, 12:01 PM
Hey Ironpony. I haven't gone and read thru all threads previous to mine so I don't know if someone has posted this info already, but anyway, here it goes. I see you are near Houston, Tx. So my advice to you would be to go and check out (shhh,my secret stash store) Academy. They ussually have 7.62x39 ammo VERY cheap. Hope this helps. ;)

IRONPONY
February 3, 2010, 12:04 PM
thanks, I bought some ammo this weekend there , that wasn't too bad on the price.
I ordered some on line at cheaper than dirt & got them the following day [ quick ] wolf brand ammo

noyes
February 3, 2010, 12:12 PM
Romanian wasr Nice Choice.

Before

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56713&stc=1&d=1265216866


After , now it looks like the one's some pay hundreds of dollars more for.......


http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56714&stc=1&d=1265216866

ICEHOUSE
February 3, 2010, 10:46 PM
ak's only fire 7.62 X 39

ClemBert
February 3, 2010, 11:08 PM
ak's only fire 7.62 X 39


What about this one?

Norinco 84S-1 AK47 in caliber 5.56x45 (.223) (http://www.ak-47.us/Article_Detail.php?g=content1190563949)

five40five
February 4, 2010, 08:16 AM
Or the AK-74 in 5.45x39

Webleymkv
February 4, 2010, 09:57 AM
ak's only fire 7.62 X 39

Actually, AK's are available in a variety of calibers. In Russian Military use, the AK-47 fires 7.62x39, the AK-74 fires 5.45x39 and the Romanian PSL, which is basically just a scaled-up AK, fires 7.62x54R. There is also the AK-101 and 103 which fire 5.56x45 NATO and commercial variants such as the Saiga and VEPR which are also available in 7.62x51 NATO/.308 Win and 12, 20, and .410 shotshell. There is even a model of the Saiga, though heavily modified from the original AK design, that fires 30-06. A more correct statement would be that AK-47's only fire 7.62x39.

tightgrouper
February 4, 2010, 10:53 AM
My brother left behind a pre-ban Soviet AK that is calibered in 7.62x51mm(.308) It's no Saiga either. It's a quality Russian AK with wood furniture.
(I'm not saying Saigas aren't quality, I'm just making the point that it's not a Saiga because that's all you can find these days out of Russia.)