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Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 02:02 AM
Today I bought the most non traditional gun I have ever had.
I got a Howa 1500 in .223 with the Christensen Arms carbon fiber wrapped barrel on a Axiom stock. I topped it with a Hawke SideWinder 30 scope on Burris rings and Weaver mounts. I haven't even had it out of the house yet and I am already falling in love with it. (new toy syndrome) I hope it becomes the tack driver I want it to be.

So is there still hope for me or am I doomed to become a mall ninja?

FrankenMauser
February 1, 2010, 02:21 AM
It is a Howa, so you get some "traditional" points. The Weaver mount is in a gray area. But... the rest of the equation points to mall ninja.

Balance the equation. Don't fall into mallninjaville. If you do, you can't come back.

Let us know how it shoots.

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 02:26 AM
I am not sure if it helps or not. The stock is camo instead of black. Although I will admit I originally wanted it in black. But it was a one rifle sale item. So black would have cost a lot more.

Buzzcook
February 1, 2010, 02:33 AM
Just wear levis with button on suspenders and it'll balance out a tun of ninjaness.

IZZY
February 1, 2010, 06:52 AM
Well if you going to be a "ninja" at least be historically accurate. ;)

http://natori.co.uk/natori/episodes#

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 10:16 AM
Just wear levis with button on suspenders

Strangely enough I have some button on suspenders. The only problem is they go with my dinner dress blue tux. If I could still fit in it, might be worth it just for the looks I would get at the range.:D But then of course I would need to get a PPK and a license to kill, paper targets.:cool:

Doc Intrepid
February 1, 2010, 11:19 AM
No worries.

Just start channeling your 'inner-Bubba'.

It helps if you wear a pair of OshKosh-B'Gosh Overalls and a hat.

Mall-Ninjaness fades rapidly in the presence of Bubbadom.

:D

tINY
February 1, 2010, 02:20 PM
Stop - right now.

Go get yourself a SSA in 45 colt. Or, better yet, an 1860 Colt in 44...




-tINY

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 04:13 PM
It helps if you wear a pair of OshKosh-B'Gosh Overalls and a hat.
Would one of my old Navy command ball caps and my insulated Carhartts be close enough?

Go get yourself a SSA in 45 colt. Or, better yet, an 1860 Colt in 44...


I also bought a early 1900's Damascus barreled shot gun this weekend. Dose that help balance the equation some?

Boy! I never new it was going to be so hard to avoid total conversion.:eek:

mapsjanhere
February 1, 2010, 04:21 PM
I also bought a early 1900's Damascus barreled shot gun this weekend. Dose that help balance the equation some?
Depends, have you started to run the barrel under the bar code scanner to check for hidden messages?

Abel
February 1, 2010, 04:28 PM
You will need to buy a Blue Tick Coon Hound to ride around with you in your pickup. This will counter-effect any mallninjaness.

http://swampmusickennels.web.officelive.com/default.aspx

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 04:37 PM
LoL.. Haven't used a bare code scanner.

A Blue Tick sounds like a great, idea for many reasons! I once had a Treeing Walker hound that I just loved. Problem was he hated everyone but me. Also I was down south where they are big money in the competition coon hunting crowd so people kept trying to steal him from the yard. On the plus side he liked to bite my ex-wife now and then.:D

the_right_reverend
February 1, 2010, 06:42 PM
take up chewing REDMAN or BEECHNUT that will cure all mall ninja traits

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 06:53 PM
take up chewing REDMAN or BEECHNUT that will cure all mall ninja traits

Sorry just can't do it. I will have to stick to Copenhagen, silver lid.

wonder9
February 1, 2010, 07:22 PM
Hmmm.... is the camo stock a "subdued" woodland or an urban camo?

Doc Intrepid
February 1, 2010, 08:00 PM
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

:)

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 08:25 PM
Hmmm.... is the camo stock a "subdued" woodland or an urban camo?

Not entirely sure if I know what urban camo looks like. I would call it a subdued woodland. It is mat green and brown colors with some twigs and stuff on it. The only camo I am very familiar with is on BDU's green and desert. No I did not get them at the mall. They were issued to me. If I can talk my daughter out of her camera I will post a pick.

"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."


I have already been assimilated by TFL. I don't know how much more I can take before my stubborn streak kicks in.:mad::)

stantonizm
February 1, 2010, 08:39 PM
If you take it to the woods and do some hunting with it I don't think you'd be a mall ninja. If you consider it your tactical, urban, counter-sniper rifle, you might be a mall ninja.

Chaz88
February 1, 2010, 10:05 PM
If you take it to the woods and do some hunting with it I don't think you'd be a mall ninja. If you consider it your tactical, urban, counter-sniper rifle, you might be a mall ninja.

I plan to shoot coyotes, small rodents and paper with it. If I did feel the need for a counter sniper rifle I think I would want a heaver caliber.:)

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56671&stc=1&d=1265079647

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56672&stc=1&d=1265079647

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56673&stc=1&d=1265079647

benroe
February 2, 2010, 04:53 AM
I saw one of those at Bass Pro Shops when i was looking for "ammo" and thought I must have one!! They are wicked. I would love to go deer hunting with one of those. But it would have to be chambered in .308win of course.

Chaz88
February 2, 2010, 09:36 AM
I was looking at the small bores .204, .223, 22-250 and settled on the .223. I originally was after a .204 but the .223 was marked down way below the .204. I hope the carbon barrel can hold up to some of the claims, it added quite a bit to the cost over the standard barrel. I think it would be nice in .308 but maybe with the aluminum version of the stock.

berettaprofessor
February 2, 2010, 10:15 AM
No worries....mall ninjas don't buy guns in camo, just tactical black.

What you are in danger of is joining a far more insidious group; the sniperbubbas. If you feel the urge for a ghillie suit and face paint, or you spray paint your truck in camo, then watch out!

Chaz88
February 2, 2010, 10:32 AM
What you are in danger of is joining a far more insidious group; the sniperbubbas. If you feel the urge for a ghillie suit and face paint, or you spray paint your truck in camo, then watch out!

LoL..Don't think i will ever have a ghillie suit. I will admit a fascination with the sniper world. I would love to have that kind of skill. I almost tried out for the Navy Seals in boot camp and considered it again a couple of years later. Looking back, I will have to admit I was never physically tough enough to make it.

Uncle Buck
February 2, 2010, 10:37 AM
Ignore these guys! That gun would blend right in at the top of the escalators, next to the potted plants (Fake of course). With that set-up, you could easily outgun those skate board riding, purse snatching thieves and help keep our malls protected for the thousands of women and children that use them.

I am sure Gecko45 would approve and maybe they could even get a mount for the electric golf cart so that when you are chasing the bad guys through the grass and bush covered medians, you will blend right in.

Nice set up. Let us know how it shoots.

berettaprofessor
February 2, 2010, 10:39 AM
Crap...I forgot about the fake plastic plants. You're right, nice gun for the mall.

Chaz88
February 2, 2010, 11:00 AM
Now I am going to have to get a plastic ghillie suit!:p

Plan to shoot it as soon as we get above 20 deg. I will give a range report after some brake-in.

stantonizm
February 2, 2010, 02:02 PM
I bet EXTREME SHOCK makes .223 ammo for mall patrols.

Uncle Buck
February 2, 2010, 05:19 PM
You know Chaz, You opened a can of worms by mentioning the Mall Ninja aspect of this...

Glad you have a great sense of humor.

tINY
February 2, 2010, 05:59 PM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56673&stc=1&d=1265079647

Commercial cammo pattern, parkerized barrel and a stainless receiver....

..you should be more worried about being an incurable redneck.



-tINY

Chaz88
February 2, 2010, 09:16 PM
You know Chaz, You opened a can of worms by mentioning the Mall Ninja aspect of this...

Glad you have a great sense of humor.

Thanks Uncle Buck. I started this with a smirk on my face and also wanted to talk about my new rifle. I get the most fun out of the gun talk with some good natured ribbing involved.

Commercial cammo pattern, parkerized barrel and a stainless receiver....

..you should be more worried about being an incurable redneck.



I am not all redneck. What I do have I come by honestly. I grew up in redneck-ville middle of no ware Colorado.

The black on the barrel is the carbon graphite wrapping.

tINY
February 3, 2010, 01:35 PM
Still, stainless and deer-hunting cammo is a long way from "Mall Ninja"....



-tINY

precision_shooter
February 3, 2010, 04:45 PM
Why don't you just give me the Mall Ninja rifle and then you won't have to worry about it. I don't care what people call me. I buy what I like because I like it, not to fit in or stand out...

Chaz88
February 4, 2010, 06:40 PM
I took the 1500 to the range today. Did some shooting and found that my new bore site is way low and right. Put some of the cheaper 50gr rounds through it and found they group fairly well. Used a few of the more expensive 55gr loads and the groups opened up quite a bit. I think with some hand loads and a bit more work with the scope it should be able to do some impressive shooting. I am also going to need to do some study on 223 ballistics, it was shooting higher at 100 yards than it was at 50.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56756&stc=1&d=1265326554

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56757&stc=1&d=1265326554

I think the carbon wrap makes a difference. 5 rapid shots and the barrel was just warm.

Carne Frio
February 4, 2010, 07:25 PM
For some historical perspective on Mall Ninja::D

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

Uncle Buck
February 4, 2010, 08:13 PM
Chaz, Looks good for a start. Until you get it dialed in to exactly where you want it, just blame it on those blasted plastic plants. :)

varoadking
February 4, 2010, 08:23 PM
If I did feel the need for a counter sniper rifle I think I would want a heaver caliber.

A sniper to counter might come in handy then too...

Chaz88
February 4, 2010, 08:48 PM
For some historical perspective on Mall Ninja:

That was funny. I have a new appreciation for the term now. I had actuality heard of gecko45 on non firearm sites but never had the full treatment.

just blame it on those blasted plastic plants.

Darn things deflect the bullet more than real plants.:mad: I am also going to have to rework my plastic ghillie suit. It just doesn't move naturally like the mall plants do. Also it was completely ineffective against toddlers with ice cream cones. They spotted me right off.

A sniper to counter might come in handy then too...

You never know when the hordes attacking our nations malls are going to show up with .50 BMG's:) Although I would be more worried about the sweet old lady down the street. She is way to nice, I bet she can shoot!

mapsjanhere
February 4, 2010, 09:47 PM
I think the carbon wrap makes a difference. 5 rapid shots and the barrel was just warm
That's because the carbon fiber is such a good insulator.

Chaz88
February 4, 2010, 10:08 PM
That's because the carbon fiber is such a good insulator.

I am not saying the manufacturing claims are true. They claim that there unique formula is a better conductor than steel. I have a fare amount of experience producing and performing non destructive inspection of composite structures. So far I am not a believer in all the claims but I am going to keep an open mind and watch closely. I also checked what little metal is exposed on the barrel and it was not hot ether. Anyway I will be watching closely and plan to take there warranty and claims to task if it dose not hold up.