View Full Version : What is 22lr group is good?

January 29, 2010, 06:29 PM
I went to the range today and took my new CZ 452 22lr. I was using the irons that come with the rifle which look like this.
The range is set up to go out to 50 yards. I shot 2 10-round groups and did better than I thought.

My first group was ~3". That group hit high so I held a bit low for the second group. That group was >2" except for one flier.

I haven't shot much with other people, I usually go by myself, therefore I have no frame of reference.

What kinds of groups do you folks see as typical? What is good?

I was using Winchester 36gn 1290fps bulk ammo.

January 29, 2010, 06:58 PM
that is good groups considering the ammo.. match ammo would probably have been more accurate.. considering you were using iron sights, i doubt i could have done any better..with a scope you could shrink those groups down alot.

January 29, 2010, 08:26 PM
I'll bet that if you did nothing else other than change ammo - to a standard or subsonic velocity .22 - you'd see those groups grow smaller.

January 29, 2010, 08:33 PM
I shoot a CZ 452 American, with a 3-9x burris compact scope, I shoot 1/2" groupings at 50 yards with federal champion 40 grain solids. Federal game-shock and auto-match both group much worse for me out of this rifle. Aguila .22 match rifle from CTD are also great groupers for the money. Eley is pricey, but also groups much tighter than some of the Winchester bulk packs. Avoid Remington's thunderbolts, doesn't group well out of anything I shoot and is dirtier than any other .22 I have found.

January 29, 2010, 08:34 PM
I shoot a lot of .22 matches, and that rifle is capable of shooting at least twice that good. Grab a decent STANDARD velocity ammo (CCI SV, or Federal 711b). You will be really impressed with your new gun! High velocity ammo out of a rimfire rifle seldom ever shoots as good as standard velocity. It is more for hunting than small groups. Any more, it gets harder and harder to get SV ammo. Everyone wants to see "hyper" velocity, "high" velocity, or something that sounds fast and mean. Get some ammo that shoots around 1080 fps, you will be thrilled! Nice choice on rifle by the way. :D

January 30, 2010, 03:16 AM
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Rem #5 at 50 yds I get 1/2" groups w/federal bulk pack HP

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Top two Custom 10/22s w/40 power scopes at 50 yds, I get one large hole w/federal bulk pack HP

After all this bragging, I gotta tell ya that with iron sights I'd be VERY happy with your 2" group. Nice shoot'in

January 30, 2010, 06:40 AM
the rounds to hit high will not work out as well as getting the sites adjusted just right.

Improving your shooting by refining the best ammo for the rifle and just learning to shoot better with iron sights is what 'the art of the rifle' is all about.

January 30, 2010, 07:07 AM
Here is my new toy, but I have a red dot. My Savage will group like this with open sites though.


phil mcwilliam
January 30, 2010, 07:28 AM
CCI Minimags work best out of my CZ 452. I put a Leupold 2-7 x 32 scope on mine & was amazed that at 100 yards, I actually achieved better groups with the CZ, than the Sako 22-250 that I was sighting in.

January 30, 2010, 08:09 AM
Nice rifles allons, how well does the International model shoot?
I've been wanting to rechamber my International and go for some sub moa.

January 30, 2010, 09:50 AM
I have seen groups using iron sights at 50 yards that are under 1 inch, but these were made by target rifles with micrometer adjustable aperature style sights and shot by guys who were serious competitors.

My eyes went south years ago and I have a hard time hitting the broad side of barn with irons. My scoped CZ 452 Trainer can easily shoot half inch groups at 50 using quality ammo. So if I happen to miss the target i can't blame the rifle. :)

January 30, 2010, 01:08 PM
Smith 357, I have the Ultra Lux. It looks just like that except for it has a longer barrel. If I decide to put optics on it I hope to get groups like that. Nice shootin'.

the rounds to hit high will not work out as well as getting the sites adjusted just right.

Unfortunately my rifle only adjusts in 25 meter increments and doesn't have micro adjustments. At 50 yards it is set to zero at 50 meters. I know that is only a 4' difference. I had a black circle on a white background. I think the target is technically a 50' slow fire target. Either way I just used a 6 o'clock POA. I have a few hand guns and I always sight them in for a 6 o'clock POA at 50' because it is easier for my eyes to focus that way. At 50 yards the circle is about 3/4 covered by the front sight.

I also received a lot of ammo for Christmas. I have many different brands with different ballistics for each. It would break my heart to let all that good ammo go to waste :). I will see which works best and use it all up before I invest in high quality ammo.

Thanks everyone.

I will try a few different things like better ammo.

James R. Burke
January 30, 2010, 05:30 PM
Thats pretty good shooting with iron sights. With a scope from what I have heard about that rifle I would bet they go down alot.

January 30, 2010, 07:17 PM
With moderately good ammo that works well with the rifle, I would likely shoot about 1" groups at 50 yds with open sights as my better group size. With cheap ammo even with a scope, I often don't get much below 0.75" groups. So keep practicing and you should improve your consistancy and group size. Do try some moderately priced ammo such as the CCI Standard Velocity and maybe some Wolf Match Target. Dicks carries the CCI SV for $25/brick which is about as good as it gets. Also try some CCI Mini-mags.

January 30, 2010, 11:41 PM
Thanks mad! The International shoots about like you would expect from an out of the box standard 10/22, really nothing special, but I kinda like the look of them.

It don't get much range time since I worked on the top two, they are a whole nuther ball game! :D 200 yds + isn't really that far for a 22lr out of them, off sand bags of course. ;)