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pvt.Long
January 24, 2010, 10:32 PM
I would like some opinions about which weapon to buy. Im trying to choose between the 12ga saiga or Romanian PSL. Its main use will be mainly for the range and home defense.:) Any ideas?

noyes
January 24, 2010, 10:46 PM
If your interior and exterior walls are concrete or brick the Psl for HD.....just watch out for ricochets.

PhilC
January 27, 2010, 04:53 PM
The 12 gauge. Magazine fed shotgun - nice!

Tucker 1371
January 27, 2010, 05:09 PM
Well if it were me making the decision then I would have to consider what I already had. and how much I will use which gun.

Do I already have a gun suitable for HD?

Do I already have a 12ga shotgun?

Do I own any semi auto shotguns?

Which will I take to the range the most to shoot?

TomF1938
January 27, 2010, 05:12 PM
Any decent 12 gauge pump - loaded with 2 or 3 bird shot loads and a 00 buck in case they don't work.

pvt.Long
January 27, 2010, 06:55 PM
ive got a s&w 12 ga semi auto , m14 7.62, S&W m&p 15 5.56, and a 1903 in 30-06. I would take either to the range every sunday

mr-geep
January 27, 2010, 07:12 PM
The PSL is absolutly the worst HD weapon I can imagine!!! I own both the Siaga and the PSL and would not even think of grabbing the PSL for anything but a 100+ yard target.
For one, its 48 inches long, with a short stock and fires the 7.62x54R round, ballistics similar to the .308, so unless the BG is behind a wall and your not worried about hitting the house next door....Very reliable, but it has its own purpose.
The Saiga is an excellent all round weapon... Short, but is built on one of the most proven actions in the world, it will not fail when you need it.
Be carefull of some of the "Home" modified Saiga's on gunbroker. If you buy one, buy a factory stock one, or one modified by a known dealer.
I own 2 Saiga's and just aquired a PSL a few months ago, I love em both, but every firearm is made for a specific purpose. There is no all-round weapon.

pvt.Long
January 27, 2010, 07:32 PM
well right now ive got a m1a by my bed with a loaded mag for home d with steel jacket rounds and in another room theres a .357 mag with soft lead HPs.

2damnold4this
January 27, 2010, 07:40 PM
ive got a s&w 12 ga semi auto , m14 7.62, S&W m&p 15 5.56, and a 1903 in 30-06. I would take either to the range every sunday


Use the m&p for home defense and buy whatever you like for fun time at the range.

pvt.Long
January 27, 2010, 07:43 PM
I dont know which one to buy though, ive only got the $$$ to buy one or the other. I would have the ar for home D if I had the ammo.

TRguy
January 27, 2010, 07:55 PM
Lots of weapons to choose from:

There is
http://www.fisk-knives.com/Mace.jpg

and

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/boot_knife_lg.jpg

and

http://www.msu-underground.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ice-pick.jpg

or even

http://www.midwaypartyrental.com/images/products/baseball_bat.jpg

I even say you could choose a RIFLE as your weapon:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/100_1512-1.jpg

Ultimately you have to choose which WEAPON you want.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/popcorn.gif

mr-geep
January 27, 2010, 07:56 PM
I would suggest buying the PSL if you only have money for one. The price dropped $100 just a month ago, but I think they will go the way of the Dragonov and the CETME. Once the supply dries up, you wont be able to put your hand on it without a premium.

My PSL is a hoot. Very smooth to shoot. I can hit a 18 inch dong at 500 yards consistantly using the 4x scope it came with. It throws the spent brass into the neighbors yard. Ammo is cheap and plentiful....
The downside: You have to use light-ball ammo. 147 grain, because the bolt is not heavy enough to use Heavy-ball ammo repetitivly. Also, it has a light barrel so if your into emptying a magazine as fast as you can, then the accuracy suffers. And last, it is not a free-floating barrel, so even though it is so long, adding a bipod actually impeds the accuracy. The Romanians teach to set the reciever on the extra magazine bag to steady the rifle.

Now some will say how the PSL will not produce MOA groups. That may be true, but it was never intended for that. It was built simply to ingauge the enemy at longer ranges because the rest of the Romanian Army is using Ak Carbines. I'm not a "MOA" kinda guy, what matters to me is that I could hit a man sized target out to ranges that the rifle was made for.

pvt.Long
January 27, 2010, 08:11 PM
when i go to the range I dont aim at bulls eyes I aim at a upper body silhouette. as long as I can keep my rounds center mass on the head, neck and chest i couldn't care less about MOA. :) but that's jut me

T-Ray
January 28, 2010, 05:16 PM
Ultimately you have to choose which WEAPON you want.
Well that mace looks pretty hard to beat :p Lots of momentum in that head can really do some damage :D

pvt.Long
January 29, 2010, 10:37 PM
I do admit the mace looks nice but for me its got to have to have a 5 lbs ball and some chain. Ive got a double edged boot dagger, large throwing bowie, and triangle bayonet for my 1853 enfield but its more satisfying pulling the trigger and hearing the crack of the gun.

warbirdlover
January 30, 2010, 01:17 AM
nunchakoos (pronounced "nune chakoos"). (Calling them numb chucks in the karate class I went to years ago got your face slapped by the Sensei who was an ex-Marine Viet Nam hero and studied under the top masters in Okinawa). The real ones (red oak held together with rope) were heavy and deadly. The toy ones (plastic with chain and ball bearings) are a joke.

BuddhaSnipe
January 30, 2010, 01:27 AM
I suggest getting some ammo from your M&P 15 or and while your at it get some better ammo for your M14 too. I would also suggest getting the Saiga if you want to use your new gun for home defense a PSL is one of the worst imaginable guns for HD.