View Full Version : 1800's sawed off

July 16, 2009, 07:16 PM

July 16, 2009, 08:28 PM
What kind is it? Might be able to buy a different barrel for it depending on what model it is.

tony pasley
July 16, 2009, 09:40 PM
Possibly a C&R lic. it would be an antique

July 16, 2009, 09:45 PM
A C&R licence alone does not circumstance the ATF rules. It would be antique only if made on or prior to 1898. I think you have a useless firearm on your hands that could potentially put you in jail. You can't get a AOW tax stamp on something already made. Also you have to check out the state laws of your state. They can be more stringent than the ATF's.

July 16, 2009, 10:59 PM
If it was me I would take a cutting torch or wheel and destroy the gun and dispose of it. What is the gun worth, I am sure it is less than a $1,000 in value and think what the costs are if you if the ATF gets ahold of you. It is quite likely that federal law enforcement types like homeland security read these forums.

If you are dead set on fixing it there may be a way. If you can think of someway to weld on some sort of barrel extension to make the barrel 18 inches long. If it is truely a very old gun it may be a breakdown model. If so separate the barrel portion from the receiver and take it separately to gunsmith without the rest of gun and get it fixed (Extended). If it does not breakdown, remove the barrel and take it separately to a gunsmith.
There still are potential violations of the law with the above approaches.

July 16, 2009, 11:48 PM
You can actually apply the weapon to the ATF by description and serial number since it is an antique and family heirloom. There are single weapons listed by serial number on the approved c&r list that were added for that reason.
I know of one personally, it is a pre 1898 winchester lever gun with a 13 inch barrel and magazine tube, it's factory lettered and the family got it registered through the ATF as a relic so they could legally keep it and it was also handed down through the family.
I'd call one of their offices and just ask around some general questions about it anyway.

July 17, 2009, 12:08 AM
You perfectly described our gun, does anyone have more info on how to do this?

July 17, 2009, 04:42 AM
Did you measure the barrel from the very end of the breech? If it's 14 inches instead of 13 it could be very rare and worth a chunk of change. Winchester made a small number of 92's with 14 inch barrels on special order because they were popular with trappers. Do not destroy it even if it was cut down with a hack saw. It can be restored. Contact the ATF and see what they have to say about it.