View Full Version : Did you ever draw your handgun?

June 22, 2009, 06:29 AM
I am curious to know how many of us have actually drawn their handgun in or in anticipation of a situation, regardless of the fact if the gun was fired or not.

Please note that this question is concerning a situation where BG/opponent is visible and knows that you have drawn your weapon.

I stick with the rule that only draw your weapon when you have absolute intent of using it.


June 22, 2009, 06:39 AM
pulled it from under the seat of my mc and put it in front jeans pocket, butt sticking out. to prevent a psycho x boyfriend from jumping on me.
didn't point it.
it worked:D

June 22, 2009, 06:55 AM
I was a passenger with my wife driving when some psycho who felt my wife had cut him off pulled up on my side and tried to run us into the center wall.
Our mirrors were literally touching as this idiot kept coming at us. I lowered the passenger window (his was open) and placed a .38 snub within inches of his temple. His eyes about popped out of his head and he locked up his brakes. Situation over.

Ed K
June 22, 2009, 09:10 AM
In any case I think pulling cel: ph. first will quite down situation then if necessary resort to last s/d option then all is recorded who's the b/g in this situation. Especially in road rage incidents

June 22, 2009, 09:27 AM
Stuck in traffic in the Peoples Republic of Berkeley, Ca. A young man was sitting on a park bench, got up and started jogging directly toward me from about 40 yards away. We made eye contact, it was apparent that he was heading directly to me. I reached under the seat and pulled out the fanny pack with my SP101. He never saw the gun but he got the idea. He put up his hands and changed direction and kept going.

Uncle Billy
June 22, 2009, 09:48 AM
Taking a walk in a local park with my oldest son when he was about 5 or 6; some dog-lover had unleashed his Doberman, which was romping around with his new freedom maybe 50 yards from my son and me. The dog spots us and makes a bee-line, teeth bared. I push my son behind me and take a Weaver stance with my Walther PPK loaded with Silvertips, aimed at the dog. The owner sees what's about to happen and frantically calls the dog off. About 10 yards from us the dog turns away and returns to his owner. I drop the muzzle and hold until the dog is on the leash and outward bound. The owner shouts back to me as they depart the area, "He's never bitten anyone! He's just playing!". I shout back, "I've never killed anything, but I was serious!"

June 22, 2009, 10:27 AM
I like that. Good move and a great response

June 22, 2009, 10:34 AM
Several times during the Gulf War, but only a couple times as a civilian.

Once, while living in Rock Hill South Carolina, I woke at about 1:00am when I heard voices outside my bedroom window.
I signaled to my wife to remain silent, and then I got my pistol and flashlight off the nightstand and then quietly went out the side door of the house and around to the bedroom side of the house.
Sitting on the kid's swing-set, just a few feet from the house and my bedroom window, were two men.
They were just sitting there drinking beer, and smoking cigarettes, and chatting away.
My house was on a corner and folks sometimes "cut the corner" and walked through my yard behind my house to get to a little store down the street....I guess these guys just thought they would stop for rest along the way.
I spot-lighted them with the flashlight and asked them what they were doing in my back yard at one-in-the-morning.
They stood up and made a few ugly remarks like "F*** you" and "get that light out of my face before I stick the light up your ***".
I let the light illuminate the Glock in my other hand and then told them they could either go home to their wives or girlfriends or go to jail.
They were very apologetic and quickly departed the area.

I moved the swing-set the next day.

June 22, 2009, 10:38 AM
Uncle Billy: EXCELLENT situational awareness, judgment and smart-talk. ;)

Rich Miranda
June 22, 2009, 10:54 AM
Just once for me.

I was actually at home on this very computer. My 2-year old son was asleep in the bedroom. I had just talked to my wife on the phone and she was 20 miles away.

I heard the sound of the doorknob rattling, which perked my ears up. Then I heard the front door actually OPEN (it had been locked of course). (Keep in mind there was absolutely no one that should have opened that door.)

I jumped up and drew my concealed Ruger SP101. I was on full alert! I held the gun out in front of me (finger off trigger) as I walked out of my small home office and toward the door. Just as I reached the office door, my son rounded the corner. He had woken up and was looking for me.

I went to the front door and locked it, and walked through the house. It was clear. Apparently, my son woke up looking for me and, for some reason, opened the front door.

June 22, 2009, 11:04 AM
Yes I have.

June 22, 2009, 12:17 PM
Just once not really performing a Police function.

A few years ago we were in AZ visiting my sister on vacation. We were in the lobby of the hotel at 4am waiting for cab to the airport. I observed 3-4 drunk twenty somethings trying to obtain money from ATM to rent a room to no avail. They seemed a little too aggressive for my tastes and seemed like they might want the rapidly approaching middle age tourist in the hula shirt to donate to the cause. So keeping myself between me the threats and my family I opened the guncase and put the snubby in my pocket JIC. I figured it would be a fistfight but maybe I could bluster my way through with my unloaded gun giving my family time to escape and get help.

So that is the nearest I got to drawing my gun in SD.

June 22, 2009, 12:28 PM
I assume this question is asking about situations outside the line of duty...such as with a soldier or LEO.

If that is the case I have only drawn a handgun one time outside of the line of duty. My grandfather and I have escorted trespassers off our property at gunpoint when I was younger before but that is a different story.

I was in B'ham, AL and fell victim to a pinning technique at a traffic light one night by some would-be car jackers. They waited at the light and when we pulled behind them their friends pulled up behind us right onto our bumper and pinned us between the two cars. When they approached the car (four of them armed with bats and hammers) I pulled my Taurus m66 .357mag revolver and they decided it was more than a match for their weapons and decided to live to fight another day and took off.

June 22, 2009, 12:37 PM
Had a loudmouth drunk come after me with a tire iron outside a bar one night( I was sober and my gun was in my truck). I was getting in the truck when he came across the street. I had my XD40 in my hand behind the door, when he started yelling at me and asked if I thought he was someone to be triffled with. I showed him that it was the other way around and told him to have a good night.

June 22, 2009, 12:48 PM
Once. Seriously aggressive behavior terminated and the thug turned tail and left the scene.
I ceased pumping gas, got in the car and left, and had to pull over about six blocks later and throw-up from the reaction.

June 22, 2009, 01:06 PM
Many times on duty and twice to assist lone officers on a felony stop with no backup in sight. (After I.D.ing myself and being told by the officer to come ahead.)

June 22, 2009, 02:52 PM
mofe than once. One time a group of drunks from a neighboring house tried to kick in my front door. They stopped when they heard the sound of my 870 Remington chambering a round. Another time i noticed a car tailgaiting me and then it pulled up beside me and the guy inside is screaming insults and threats at me. I gave the brake a quick tap and exited and pulled into a gas station. A few seconds later the same car comes flying into the parking lot and comes to a screaming halt. The guy gets out with a club, I drew and leveled my weapon, he stopped dead in his tracks. I did not say a word he turned around and got back in his car and left. I waited a few minutes after he left and took another route home.

June 22, 2009, 03:50 PM
Standing in the kitchen one night, thought for sure someone was trying to uncover and steal my motorcycle. Got my handy dandy snub nosed .38 and charged out the door, . . . to find the cover loose and the wind rustling it.

Love those endings.

May God bless,

June 22, 2009, 06:30 PM
I travel for a living and have taught the wife to shoot and she is a pretty good shot. Last week just about sunset her and our pitbull were napping on the couch with all of the windows open. The pit started going nuts she looked out the window to see a guy looking in my polebarn windows then he walked to th house and started looking in she ran for the bedroom grabbed the 1911 (cocked and locked) put the dog on is leash. Now this is where she screwed up big time! she panicked and went outside to confront him WOW! why do I go through drills with her. Anyway She has a pitbull in her right hand and a 1911 in her left the guy froze and said he was looking for his girlfriend. he promtly left when told to.

Then she called me, I told her to hang up and call 911. She did they came and could not find him but later in the night the cop stopped back by they had picked up the guy casing another house. I live in a rural area surrounded by farms first problem we have had. even though she completly screwed up I would have loved to see the look on his face.

Sorry for the long post but it was a lot shorter than the story I got when I got home later that night.

June 22, 2009, 06:49 PM
I have more than once in [Afghanistan]. The closest I came to firing was when a teenage kid ran up to the side of our hummer with a Tokarev in his hand. He pointed it at me (in the turret with only a chicken shield on the gun--no cupola) and I went for my Beretta crossdraw in the standard issue Bianchi. I flicked off the safety and thumbed the hammer back and started to level the sights when I heard a hollow plastic "thunk, thunk, thunk". The kid had a plastic toy tokarev with no orange band around the barrel. It looked EXACTLY like a real tokarev. If I was more confident with my M9's DA trigger, I might be rotting in Leavenworth right now. :eek:

The only time in the U.S. was when I lived in a bad part of a midsize town here in IA. I was sitting in my apartment living room doing homework at about 10pm. All of a sudden I hear the crash of glass breaking and glass came flooding in my open window. Something had clearly been thrown through my window. I got up rather quickly, grabbed my XD40 tactical and a surefire and shined it back out the window to see a bunch of teens with a couple of empty backpacks and two guys with 3ft long florescent bulbs (evidently to use for breaking my windows). They saw me and decided to leave. My landlord had the cops write it up as vandalism rather than attempted breaking and entering. Whatever. I bet some of them needed to change their excessively baggy pants.

June 22, 2009, 06:58 PM
Nope. Not in 22 years of CCW. Situational awareness works.

June 22, 2009, 07:17 PM
Yes only once. When my wife and kids and I where coming back from a amusement park,We stopped off for a bite to eat of fast food that had no drive through.I parked and the wife went in to get take out and while I stayed with our three sleeping boys in the back seat a guy came up to my drivers door that was locked but the window was down a few inches for some evening air and asked for change. I said no sorry and then he pulled on the door handle trying to open my drivers door.I think I had the taurus PT111 millenium Pro at the time and draw my weapon and with out directly pointing at him I tap the drivers door glass.The guy was off like the road runner minus the beep,beep.

June 22, 2009, 07:19 PM
I know someone that did and it took him thousands and 1 1/2 years to get it back.
Also some classes

June 22, 2009, 07:22 PM
I flicked off the safety and thumbed the hammer back and started to level the sights when I heard a hollow plastic "thunk, thunk, thunk". The kid had a plastic toy tokarev with no orange band around the barrel. It looked EXACTLY like a real tokarev.

If I was more confident with my M9's DA trigger, I might be rotting in Leavenworth right now
And had it been a real and loaded tokarev you might be dead right now.

June 22, 2009, 07:28 PM
I know someone that did and it took him thousands and 1 1/2 years to get it back.
Also some classes

Really? did they consider it brandishing or something

June 22, 2009, 07:32 PM
Had a guy come at me at a gas station parking lot who pulled out a knife on me as he was running at me. I never had to fire, but I did draw, cocked the hammer (4" S&W 66), and had my finger on the trigger guard. He dropped the knife and I let him leave with his life.

4V50 Gary
June 22, 2009, 07:33 PM
Numerous times. House clearing and to effect an arrest. Never had to fire a shot though and Andy told me to put the bullet back in my pocket.;)

June 22, 2009, 07:34 PM
Leaving work one eveing in an inner city, I was stuck in a traffic pattern that did not allow for any other tactical response-cars in front of me, and behind me. Jersey berrier on my left, closed business' on my right- I notice a miscreant standing against a wall in the shadows of an alley on my passenger side. Car jackings were popular in this area, and I saw him approaching in a hurried manner. He made it to the passengers door, tried the locked door and then leaned up agains the window and displayed a knife.
It appeared to me that he was about to try and punch out the window when I raised my Delta Elite:eek:
Those were the biggest brightest whites of his eyes I have ever seen before he ducked away and crawled back into the alley:D

June 22, 2009, 08:02 PM
Only as a cop, but never a shot fired. I'm ready, though on or off duty, especially if my family is with me. I have a pretty wife and two really pretty teen daughters, we get our share of nasty glances from non-desirable males. Me getting glances from hot moms, not so much.:eek:

June 22, 2009, 09:43 PM
Nope, never. Hopefully it stays that way.

June 22, 2009, 11:09 PM
No, and I hope I never have to either.

June 22, 2009, 11:13 PM
Me getting glances from hot moms, not so much.


June 22, 2009, 11:32 PM
Not the handgun, but the shotty in typical Houston traffic stupidity. I was driving home from the lease, early morning dove game, when a vanload of mexicans swerved in front of me, hit the brakes, and then proceeded on. They 'brake checked' me about 3 times in the half-mile stretch of road construction we were on, no way around them. When I finally could, I assumed they were drunk, I let the Ford Lightning scream. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw them throwing their arms up and pointing *something* at me as I drove by. I thought nothing else of it. Anyway, they catch up with me when I let of the throttle, I didn't need a ticket out here. They start flashing their brights at me so I reach behind the seat and grab my dad's Benelli Nova that I used that morning. When we come to a light, these morons swerve in front of me, basically trapping my truck. The passenger gets out screaming and cussing at me. I refuse to roll down the window so he hits it with whatever he had in his hand, shattering the glass. Once the tint was out of the way, he saw the 12-ga pointing right at his chest. He decided he had better places to be. I followed him and called the PD on the way so they could pick him up and somebody could pay for my window. Cop's only advice? "you shoulda shot the mf-er"

I have had to draw while on-duty when verbal judo, etc fails.

June 23, 2009, 04:36 AM
me as he was running at me. I never had to fire, but I did draw, cocked the hammer (4" S&W 66), and had my finger on the trigger guard.

No, not yet.

Hope you've progressed beyond manually cocking your revolver. For both safety and tactical reasons. ;)

June 23, 2009, 08:24 AM
Hope you've progressed beyond manually cocking your revolver. For both safety and tactical reasons.
IF one has the time to do so it is a very smart thing to do.
A revolver in single-action mode can be extremely accurate.

June 23, 2009, 08:46 AM
IF one has the time to do so [cock a revolver] it is a very smart thing to do.

For hunting, that is. And, of course, for plinking or target shooting, but time is not going to be an issue.

A revolver in single-action mode can be extremely accurate.

"Extreme" accuracy is very rarely a consideration at the kind of distances at which an SD shooting is justified.

When I took my state-required CCW class, one of the things said was to never cock the gun in a self-defense situation.

The reason was that cocking the gun greatly increased the risk of a negligent discharge in a high-stress situation.

Here's a good discussion of the issue:

...people who carry a revolver for self defense should practice almost exclusively for double action fire, as if the single action option wasn't even there. Why? Because there are almost no situations in which single action fire is appropriate in self defense. Most self defense situations unfold rapidly. There isn't time to thumb cock a revolver and take careful aim in the way one would do while target shooting. A cocked revolver is dangerous in the adrenaline dump of a lethal force encounter. The trigger is just too light. Its too easy to fire when you don't mean to. There was a well-publicized case in Miami several years back in which a police officer accidentally shot a suspect he was holding at gunpoint with a cocked revolver. The suspect was killed and the officer faced a lengthy court process which ultimately destroyed his career.

In a nervous situation, a cocked revolver is dangerous. When you're really nervous or scared, the heavy double action trigger pull is an asset rather than a liability. I can hear you say, Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, and that's true, but we also know that people don't always do what they're supposed to do in the stress of a deadly encounter. The police officer in Miami is a good example. I'm sure he had heard the rules. A firm double action trigger can be a welcome piece of insurance against an accidental discharge. With a DAO revolver, manual cocking isn't possible, nor is it possible to be accused of negligently cocking the hammer in a civil action which could follow a self defense shooting.

This, and the fact that a concealed-hammer revolver is less apt to snag, led me to select a Centennial revolver for general concealed carry.

For outdoor carry, I choose something that can be cocked--with better sights, by the way--but I won't cock it a self defense encounter.


June 23, 2009, 09:03 AM
Last year I was out for a drive and as chance would have it do some shooting with my kids on some forest service land. My daughter who is 19 was driving and my 16 year old son was in the back seat while I was reclined in the passenger seat. We passed a car on a dirt road with a male probably in his early 30s inside. He began to follow and I think he had only seen my daughter. He actually followed us for over 10 miles with many turns to make sure it was not a coincidence. Btw cell phones don't work out in this area. Finally running out of options we got far enough ahead and after rounding a corner quickly got uot of the car and casually waited. I stood out front at the nose of the car with an sks rifle while my son was on my right at the back of the car and my daughter on my left at the back of the car also. Both of my children holding 9mm handguns. We all shoot and train together so they were prepared for this type of situation. We waited in a non threatening manner until the car came slowly by. The look of surprise and fear was very clear and he immediately hit the gas and took off. my Son had noted the license plate number (very proud of him on that one) and when we got back to town over an hour later reported to the county sheriff. They found and stopped the man in less than two hours and although he claimed to have meant no harm he readily admitted to have been following my daughter. I believe if I had not been there or we had not been armed it could have been very different outcome.

June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
Deleted some off topic posts -- some of which were right on the border of personal attacks.

You guys want to debate about the goodness or badness of other countries and their cultures, do it elsewhere.


June 23, 2009, 10:02 AM
Had an incident in another state i was living in, now mind you, i try my hardest to stay out of other peoples buisness.The girl right next door to me in my appartments had this habbit of letting her boyfriends beat her up(or seemed she only picked the ones that did) anywho,on one of these occasions they were fighting out in the hallway and he proceded to try and put her head through my door. I(watching from the peep hole) had seen far enough of this bull, As i opened the door with my Ruger p90 in hand,hammer back and aimed on the threat i said in a low manner "walk away" im assuming the cannon in my hand and the expression on my face showed i wasn't playing. She called me "cannon" till i moved outta there :D

June 23, 2009, 10:12 AM
Spookboy I don't blame you. Not only could you have saved her life, but also your own or some other innocent in the building; if he'd pulled a gun and shot at her, the bullet could've wound up in a 6 month old baby's head. Good for you for gettin' involved!

June 23, 2009, 10:45 AM
5 years ago, I heard a commotion outside my apartment, so I slipped my kel-tec into my back pocket and walked outside. 2 guys were fighting, well...one guy was getting his butt kicked is a better description, about 50 yards from my porch.

A girl broke up the fight, and the poor fellow who had recieved the beating came over to my porch ( it was late and I had my porch light on). He sat down on the porch and tried to regroup. I offered my phone to him so he could call the police. While he was still on the phone, the other guy came out of the parking area, walking towards my place with a ninja sword. His girlfiend was begging him to go back home, and I let him get about 20 feet away before I slipped my kel-tec out of my pocket. He saw the weapon, took about 3 more steps, and hit my palm tree with his sword, bending it, and knocking a small chunk out of the tree. At that point, I instructed him not to get any closer. He stayed there, yelling for the guy on the phone with the police to come out and face him, but didn't get any closer. I never pointed my weapon at him, I just kept it visible. The dude stomped and screamed for a few minutes, then left right before the police arrived. 5 minutes after they arrived, the BG was in handcuffs.

June 23, 2009, 12:00 PM
I have picked up my pistol with the expectation of possible use three times.

Once I believed a rape was occurring along my backyard fence. It was just an "alcohol assisted enthusiastic coupling." :o

The second time, two drunks were fighting in my driveway. One was trying to walk home, the other, concerned for his friend, didn't want him to walk off into the woods at night, so he tackled him in my driveway.

The third time, I heard a gunshot outside near my home. It turned out to be a ND by a neighbor.

The common threads: Step 1- I was aware of my surroundings, Step 2- I readied my handgun, Step 3- I called the police and let them know I am an armed homeowner.

Tennessee Gentleman
June 23, 2009, 09:29 PM
We have a burgular alarm in our home and are empty nesters. I set the thing at night and if any door is opened it will go off. One night I was in a dead sleep and the thing went off. Spouse runs out into the living room from our bedroom while I am stumbling out of bed to retrieve my handgun and flashlight. Then I go looking about to see what door is open and the alarm company is on the phone with me at the same time. Nobody was there.

We made many mistakes. My wife who is not into guns, even admitted that it was dumb to just run out into the living room and I learned that you really need a home invasion plan. I am a heavy sleeper and was really disoriented for about 3 minutes. Any BG would have made short work of us I think. Turns out we forgot to close tightly and lock a door and it worked itself open we think. Or it might have been someone who was scared away by the alarm. Son was home at the time and slept thru it all!!! Very instructive experience and we talked about it and now have a plan. I wasn't much good when first awakened.:o

June 24, 2009, 01:59 PM
Excluding my time in the USCG twice:

1. I was stationed in Portsmouth VA and given government housing in some section 8 apartments (don't you love govt housing?). I heard 5 shots in rapid succession and being a stupid 20 year old grabbed my 12ga Deerslayer and ran outside. I wound up about 10 yards from a man who had just shot his girlfriend in front of hr daughter. An off duty police officer came running from a different direction screaming "hands, hands, hands" the dude looked my way saw the shotgun and dropped his weapon. The man was cuffed and then some other Coasties tried to save her life to no avail. An ugly nite that I wish I could erase from my mind, the daughter screaming, the mom dead the weird blank look from the killer. Bad times.

2. Stationed in LA a guy was running from the police helicopter and tried getting into my house. I pointed my 226 at the window at the top of my front door, he saw it and boogied. Kinda sureal with the helo's spot light flooding out my living room, again bad times.


June 24, 2009, 02:14 PM
Once I believed a rape was occurring along my backyard fence. It was just an "alcohol assisted enthusiastic coupling."
So that was YOU that disturbed us? How Dare You!!! It was BLISS up to that point!

June 24, 2009, 03:01 PM
Only twice , and neither were against humans ( although at the time I didn't know that ).

I live in a pretty Rural area with lots of wildlife.

Once when at home on the back porch about 2 AM and I kept hearing a rustling sound and suddenly my dog goes crazy the rustling stopped ( not ran off , just froze )

I ran inside and grabbed the gun and flash light in case it was a person .... bear or bobcat. Apearently who/whatever it was took off when I grabbed the gun.

2nd time was when my dog was going crazy about a 1/4 mile up the road and sounded like he had something or someone cornered around 11 PM. Not sure what it was , I had my gun drawn as I approached with flashlight....

Other than that.... Not yet and hope to never have to.

June 24, 2009, 03:42 PM
I did forget about when I first moved into my casa. It is an old farmhouse from the 1800's. I neglected to latch one of the shutters down securely one night before I went to work. Well, I get home a dark thirty from a long, exhausting shift and go to make myself some grub before I sit down to finish my BoB marathon. I hear something slam and then glass shatter. The dog is going nuts. I grab my .357 (I am still in uniform with the bat belt and all) and head towards the noise, weapon at low ready. Swept that end of the house and found that my stupid shutter had slammed off the hinge and broken the window. Gotta love the wind here in Central Texas.

Terry A
June 26, 2009, 02:53 PM
The LAST time I had my gun in hand happened last Saturday night at 0200. Two of our 4 kids still live at home but were away. Just me and my wife at home. We're in bed and I hear the door knob of the bedroom door turn slightly but the door doesn't open. It's locked but it is a very weak door with a flimsy lock. It's really there just to do what it did, to make noise. Without waking my wife, I got out of bed and had a Springfield XD-45 aimed over a dresser along the wall that the door is on. Whoever comes in will not be able to see me unless they turn their head real hard to their left, but I can see clearly who comes thru. The door jimmied again and it opened this time. Just waiting to see a target when I see it's my WIFE! She had gotten up out of bed to use the bathroom and when she closed our door, it somehow locked. She went and got a butterknife and jimmied it instead of waking me up with knocks.....

It was a terrible feeling to have aimed a loaded gun at my wife, because she is precious beyond belief. Upon reflection, I still would have gotten up out of bed without waking her up and telling her what's going on, because that would have killed seconds, which do count in times like that. I figured it would be quicker to just get up and get positioned.

There have been many times over the years where a stranger came to the door or somebody heard something bang on a porch or something. It's always been false alarms at home so far. This one could have ended in disaster if I was not trained to identify your target before you shoot. I couldn't have lived with myself had I hurt her and it really made me feel sick for all those people who have accidentally shot someone they loved.

There have been other times when we heard something and I go outside the bedroom. She stays put with a Beretta M-92 and instrutions to MAKE SURE she sees who it is that comes back in the bedroom before she opens fire! :eek: I've always thought it best to announce to her that it's me coming back inside and so far, she hasn't gotten trigger happy. But we've trained and practiced a lot and all kidding aside, I do trust her if a bad situation happened.

June 26, 2009, 03:27 PM
We probably all need to acknowledge that this poll will be skewed towards those who drew, because those who have not drawn don't have a story to tell.

June 26, 2009, 03:47 PM
Cant draw, am not artistic enough.

I did pull the .45 last fall

had to dispatch a wounded deer. Slug broke his back, had to finish him off.

June 26, 2009, 04:32 PM
Cant draw, am not artistic enough.

Groucho lives!:D

Tried to use the same terminology as the OP, but still laughing.

June 26, 2009, 04:52 PM
I had just left a jewelry store with my wife's engagement ring in hand. The store was a posted no-carry zone. I'd left my handgun under my seat. I got in the truck and as I was about to pull out a crackhead started yanking on my (locked) door and pounding on my window. Withdrawing the 9mm from it's holster under my seat and laying my hand (with gun) in my lap was enough to remind him of urgent business he had elsewhere.

Once more I had to put my hand on it as I interrupted my own mugging in progress. Turned around and caught the guy sneaking up on me. Didn't draw but he stammered out a poor excuse for why he was there and left.

June 26, 2009, 05:32 PM
No, I never have, and I hope I never do. But reading these responses makes me believe the NRA's position that a gun drawn, but never fired, happens far nore often than any of us know.

Some of these posts make me shiver.
All of them make me very happy that I have my CHL, and make me wish that more people did.

June 26, 2009, 06:08 PM
We live in a very remote area.My wife gets off work at 11:00 PM.A car with at least 3 males followed her closely over dirt roads,really 2 track trails,that only lead to our house,turning their lights off & on.I had turned the flood lights on that light up the barn area.The males followed her right up in the parking area.When she got out of her truck,she had her SS .38 where they cold see it.A quick donut & they were gone! I ask why she didn't call me on her cell phone.She said that she was so scared she didn't think of it.

June 26, 2009, 06:29 PM
^I just love it when people follow someone to my house, it happened to my gf more than once, with probable ill intent in mind. As it turns out there are usually more than a few good ol' boys willing to talk to them...:cool:

June 27, 2009, 04:31 PM
a man who thought he new me came at me with a baseball bat. Turned out he was wrong. I drew my Beretta which was not chambered at the time and told him to get back in his truck and drive away. I bluffed him into thinking the safety was off and it was chambered. After that i put in a lot of extensive training on carrying with the safety off and a round chambered The next time i might not be able to bluff.

N.H. Yankee
June 29, 2009, 05:59 PM
As a civilian, 6 times, and it takes a situation to get critical before I do, real critical. Wife has once also when I was TDY with the USAF, someone tried to gain entry to our home by forcing the door when he saw the gun he said oops, wrong house, my wife replied you bet your a$$ it is. Last seen running like h#ll.

June 29, 2009, 11:47 PM
I was guarding an Apartment complex in New Orleans. I was standing on the side walk in front. The entire place for miles was a ghost town, this was a couple of weeks after Katrina. I saw a dog off in the distance trotting toward me. All the dogs you saw at that time were free, there was no one there to feed them or take care of them.

When he got close enough to me to notice I was there he closed his mouth and started veering in my direction. I drew my gun. I was not about to get bit by a dog who had been roaming the streets free post Katrina. There was no telling what he had been drinking or eating, and if the smell I smelled in the air everyday was any indication, it was not good.

For whatever reason he got within 10 feet of me and then got back on course never looking back. I had a XD-40 and would have fired if he would have gotten too close regardless if he was growling or barking. We were wearing masks outside back then.

Piper Cub
June 30, 2009, 01:58 AM
I have been trained (CCW) to not pull my gun unless I want to kill someone. I hae killed nobody.

Al Norris
June 30, 2009, 08:10 AM
This (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1975181&postcount=62) post from this (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210263) thread is why I carry 24/7. It's also why I train.

June 30, 2009, 08:21 AM
I take photos of them :D I flunked art class :eek:

Nah, just joshin' ya :D

Here in Oz, if you draw a HG, you go directly to jail (Gaol).... do not pass go!.... do not collect $200!:cool:

June 30, 2009, 08:43 AM
Left a body building show in cleveland,three scumbags waiting just inside the door followed me and my wife out.After crossing over the street twice she finally got the idea that yes they probably were going to try to rob us.On a side street i reached into my camera bag and drew my BrowningHP,i didnt have film for the camera but nobody searches a camera bag.When they saw the Browning they stopped in their tracks and one pretended to look at the street signs.After a bout of telepathy they took off.As one drill sargent told me (We're not traing you to be victims)

June 30, 2009, 03:36 PM
Drawing a weapon is a serious decision and if the situation calls for drawing a weapon it also calls for pulling the trigger.

June 30, 2009, 03:38 PM
Drawing a weapon is a serious decision and if the situation calls for drawing a weapon it also calls for pulling the trigger.

Can't say I agree with that.

Big Ugly Tall Texan
June 30, 2009, 03:42 PM
I drew my gun three times and pointed it at individuals. Twice, it was the same idiot.

Never had to shoot anybody. Once they saw that .45 and the look in my eyes, they immediately gave up and complied with all instructions.

I have been in houses many times serving narcotics search warrants with a 12 guage in my hands, but didn't have any definite target.

June 30, 2009, 04:04 PM
Many years ago I was dating this really hot gal, she was something to look at for sure. In her apartment complex was a guy that kinda stalked her, she went after his car with a screwdriver that I didnt know about. I get over to pick her up, we was in her place till after dark then we was going to go eat. I went out to get my truck and come to the door for her as it was a bit away from her building. I get to the truck this guy pops up out of no where with a gun in hand. I had the door open as I was getting into the truck, he was aiming for muy head when I pulled a .38 out of the truck hammer back finger on trigger aimed for his head. He smiled dropped the weapon to his side and said it is a toy gun. I almost shot him dead right there. Over a scratch on his car from a gal. I broke it off with her not wanting all that drama in my life.

When I was a bit younger I lived in a bad part of town, rent was affoedable. My niece came over and soon had all the boys hot after her, one said he was going to burn the house cause she wont go out with him. I ask him what that has to do with me, soon a gang of 30 or so guys was there wanting to kick my rear end for messing with their homey. I had a 22 rifle on my porch so I picked it up. Cops came and dispersed the crowd, we moved to a better location.

I was working the bar, was a bouncer, a gal I knew came up asked me for help, her date was going to get hurt by these 5 guys. I go over to their table to have a chat, I see a sawed off under a guys coat, I reached right in and grabbed it out. Had em all empty pockets, then walked em out the back way. Never saw em again her date moved to Minn she ended up with me, my first wife, she passed away at the age of 31 from cancer.

June 30, 2009, 04:12 PM
The point is: "use it or lose it". I won't draw a weapon on anyone who gives me a cockeyed look or verbal threat. Only when my or some innocent party's life is in IMMEDIATE danger and there is no other option available.

June 30, 2009, 08:36 PM
The point is: "use it or lose it". I won't draw a weapon on anyone who gives me a cockeyed look or verbal threat. Only when my or some innocent party's life is in IMMEDIATE danger and there is no other option available

I think if you are being assaulted in any way it might be best to give a verbal warning, then if the assault continues, draw the gun to diffuse the situation. I don't cary a concealed weapon (just have a gun in my car with a mag hidden) and i live in new orleans and none of these situations have happened to me.

I never feel like i need a concealed weapon against a ferral dog. A dog can be defeated with basic animal psychology or combat skill.
I agree some of these instances might have a bit of overreaction involved.

Uncle Billy
June 30, 2009, 09:29 PM
I pulled a gun on an intent Doberman that, if he had taken a clamp on my leg, I would have shot. He wasn't a feral dog, he was someone's pet that was let loose from a lead. I was in no position to psych the dog out, or wrestle with him while he chewed on me or my 6 yr old son, who was at hand and if the dog pitched onto him or me I would have had no time and no reason to "dog whisper" the Doberman out of his intent.

As it was, and so often happens (read all these entries. How many include actually firing the weapon?), my intent and means to end the threat against me (were it to escalate past enduring) were all that was required- the dog's owner saw what was to happen if he didn't take a role, and so ended my threat to his dog by ending the dog's threat to me, and had he failed and the dog attacked me or my son, he correctly understood I would have had to end it with the means I had, which weren't that the dog listened to my commands as it did the owner's, or that I was a "dog whisperer" or a black belt in Karate. The right ending occurred, mostly because I presented an unwillingness to submit and a willingness to take drastic means instead, which were made very clear to the one who could end the situation with the best outcome, which he did.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry of a weapon if it isn't defense of one's self and those one is responsible for? Ought I to have let the dog do what he wanted to me and/or my son so as to not have to draw my gun? Then why would I have the gun in the first place? You wanna argue with a determined Doberman with his teeth bared? Go ahead.

June 30, 2009, 09:43 PM
[Quote]What's the purpose of a concealed carry of a weapon if it isn't defense of one's self and those one is responsible for? Ought I to have let the dog do what he wanted to me and/or my son so as to not have to draw my gun? Then why would I have the gun in the first place? You wanna argue with a determined Doberman with his teeth bared? Go ahead.[Quote]

Me, personally i don't feel threatened by dogs, i don't have kids to protect though. I don't think the dog would have attacked you.

June 30, 2009, 11:30 PM
So I can't say it was wrong or not.
However, my dobie's teeth were almost always bared when he was running. Even though he was the friendliest pooch in the park, his handicap was that he looked scary even though he only wanted to lick your face. He looooved little kids and was very patient with them. Dobermans spoil you with their intelligence, loyalty, playfulness and love.

July 1, 2009, 02:24 AM
Drawing a weapon is a serious decision
It doesn't have to be too serious. In this one I am a cowboy. You can tell by my hat. It even has a pony in it. How serious can it be with a pony in it? :)


July 1, 2009, 04:19 AM
I was at a gas station in town around midnight or so when a what looked like to be a crack head pulls up, blocking my vehicle's exit and asks for money. I was outside of my truck pumping gas when the crackhead approached me. I had a glock 27 in my front coat pocket. I didn't pull it out but I got real close to doing so and my hand was on it ready to go. The encounter started off friendly enough but after several refusals to help on my part, he became beligerent. He began pacing back and forth between me and his vehicle. I believed, and still do, that he was debating whether or not to retrieve a weapon from his car. His demeanor, and actions were indicating that he was about to get violent. As several cars started to pass by in front of the gas station, thankfully, he seemed to come to his senses and decided to just hop in his car and take off.

Uncle Billy
July 1, 2009, 07:47 AM
Me, personally i don't feel threatened by dogs, i don't have kids to protect though. I don't think the dog would have attacked you.

Maybe, maybe not, there's no way to know without guessing. That's why I drew the Walther and got ready-when my instincts told me it was prudent to do so- when the dog alerted on my son and me and began running our way with his head down and teeth bared. I wouldn't have shot the dog until there was no doubt his intent was to attack and bite my son or me, which means I wouldn't have shot him until he had actually made a lunge or a leap at me or was on the verge of doing so (I put myself between the dog and my son and would have done whatever was needed to preserve that position). Waiting until he was that close made the situation more critical but I had taken a stance and had aim on the dog well before it got to that point. I didn't want to shoot before I clearly had justification for doing so, but getting ready to do so before it became necessary had 2 effects- it gave me enough time to keep ahead of the situation; and it announced to the dog's owner what was pending in enough time for him to intervene if he could. As it turned out, he was able to call the dog off, so whether he would have bloodied me or not is uncertain, and irrelevant.

...However, my dobie's teeth were almost always bared when he was running. Even though he was the friendliest pooch in the park, his handicap was that he looked scary even though he only wanted to lick your face. He looooved little kids and was very patient with them. Dobermans spoil you with their intelligence, loyalty, playfulness and love.

There have been too many cases of vicious dog attacks that were followed by "He's never done that before" and "He's a loving, gentle dog". It's okay with me if someone loves their dog and thinks he's an angel of benevolence, but it's not okay to handle their dog in a way that subjects the rest of us to the accuracy of that emotion and so violates the city ordinance to keep their dog leashed at all times in public areas. I don't have any confidence in any dog owner's conviction that his dog is harmless, and I also have no confidence in the good nature of any dog I don't know, especially one of a breed that's often used as an attack dog and has a few tons of bite force. I DO have confidence in my own judgement, and the reliability of a well-maintained Walther and the efficacy of Silvertip ammunition.

July 1, 2009, 10:20 AM
Uncle Billy - You have really valid points and I guess it's all up to the person to determine a dog's intent.

July 1, 2009, 10:25 AM
I strongly agree with Uncle Billy on this one. I own a dog. I love my dog. But I'm not one of these self-absorbed, arrogant jerks who thinks that if my dog bites someone it must have been their fault. "Oh, she's never bitten anyone. My dear sweet dog must have been provoked!" Ugh.

My dog is an animal. Period. There's no reason a person should risk life and limb to preserve my dog's life. Our society has gone mind-numbingly stupid with regards to animals. Animals < People. End of story. Don't like it? Keep your mutt on a leash.

That said, I prefer pepper spray to bullets when it comes to dogs. I take walks with my family in our neighborhood several times a week, and I always carry my pepper spray but not always my gun. If you wait until the dog is close enough to know the animal's probable intent, you're likely to be bitten. If you start shooting at that point, you're likely to hit your femoral artery before you hit the dog.

I think it's best to have BOTH a gun and pepper spray while taking a walk.

Brian Pfleuger
July 1, 2009, 10:28 AM
I strongly agree with Uncle Billy on this one. I own a dog. I love my dog. But I'm not one of these self-absorbed, arrogant jerks who thinks that if my dog bites someone it must have been their fault.

My dog is an animal. Period. There's no reason a person should risk life and limb to preserve my dog's life. Our society has gone mind-numbingly stupid with regards to animals. Animals < People. End of story. Don't like it? Keep your mutt on a leash.

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better.

July 3, 2009, 01:12 AM
I did draw my first gun. SW 686 6" barrel. Graphite on typing paper. Took about three hours, and my dad (art teacher who taught me to shoot) looks at it, goes, "hmmmph. Grip's too big." Took all the wind outta my sails. Wish I still had the drawing. Or the gun. Or my dad.

July 6, 2009, 05:03 PM
Only once did I ever come close to pulling my gun out in site of a person during a situation. I was a deputy constable at the time and serving an arrest warrant. When attempting to make the arrest the father and brother both jumped up one with a club in hand and came shouting towards me. I did place my hand on my gun in the hostler.

This gave enough time for everything to settle and permitted me to talk everyone into remaining calm so that I could handle the situation. That was the first time I ever came close to using my firearm and thanks to both my training and think the problem through everything ended the way it should have.

I have pulled my handgun out twice though I am sure both times no one saw it. The first was on a dirt road when my wife and I were going to our cabin. I had stopped to secure something that came free in the back of my pick up truck. While I was back in the back of a truck some local drunks were coming the other way and stopped in front of us with their high beams on. They then started to yell and swear and sign spot lights on the truck. I did pull my gun out of the holster with out aiming and held it along the side of my leg. However after they had their fun they drove off and I did nothing to aggravate the situation. Just some good ole boys having too much of a good time, though they sure gave my heart a few extra beats.

July 6, 2009, 05:50 PM
not counting when I was on duty, I drew down on a rottweiler once that was running wild through the nieghborhood and started fter me when I was jogging.

Another time I had a truck in front of me take issue with how close I was driving behind him (he was going 10 MPH in a 25 MPH zone). It was a bad nieghborhood and I think he was looking for someone he knew so he could jump him or something.

Anyhow, He slammed on his brakes at a point with a curb on one side and a median on the other so that I couldn't pass him. His passenger got out with a hydraulic jack handle and approached my car from the passenger side. I reached over from behind and put my hand on my pistol (loaded and under the passenger seat) just as he got to my car.

He started cussing and said something like, "You think I'm worried that you are pretending to reach for something?"

I calmly said, "If you're not, you should be".

He turned around and went back to his truck.

July 6, 2009, 06:37 PM
One time just after i got my CCW. I was with my father in a bad part of town. We watched an agitated crack head step out of a bus stop shelter when the light was red and start trying to open all the car doors. my Dad's door was open. When the crack head opened the door, he must have thought alright, payday. but when he saw the two 1911 45 pointed at him, he changed course very quickly. he went back to the bus stop as the light turned green, and an officer pulled up after we went by. some else must have called in him trying to carjack / rob people.

Second time i Was with my wife. We were heading to get a new vacuum as she broke ours. we passed someone who had just pulled out of a drive way. he got very close to my bumper so i tapped the breaks, didn't even slow down just enough to turn on the lights. The man decided to use a 1 million candle light spot light to illuminate all my mirrors. unfortunately the did not help me see it actually blinded me in the middle of some turns. so i applied my breaks heavily. he almost hit me and was upset by this. after the turns the road opened up from being narrow and he passed me then evidently he needed to stop very quickly also almost causing me to hit him. i stopped about 4 inches from his bumper when another car almost hit me. i was then blocked in and couldn't leave. a large male got out of his vehicle and started yelling that he was not happy with me and was going to have to "kick my F-ing A**) i pulled out a double barrel 410 darrenger cracked my window and told him to get back in the car. he still wanted to talk so he kept coming back. i yelled one more time to get back in his car he still came toward me. when he got to the front of my car i raised the gun. at that point he figured he didn't need to talk with me or physically let me know how he felt any more. He drove off. i called the police, so did he. after a fun discussion with the officer he let us both go after letting me know i could have been charged with brandishing, i told him there was a threat that i met with an amount of force to stop the threat. he was the aggressor and if he wished to charge me i would see him court. He was a nice officer, and i think he just wanted both sides to feel as though no further action was necessary and maybe to avoid some paper work.

As far as the only draw if your going to fire mentality. If you can stop the threat with a lesser amount of force then lethal, then why wouldn't you. you will go to jail much faster if the non-lethal means are available and you don't use them and choose to wait until lethal is necessary.

Drawing you weapon is going to do one of two things in my opinion.
1) stop the threat then. if the person is either bluffing or not interesting in pursuing action further they will stop as evident in many of the postings from this thread.
2) If the threat was completely intent of doing you harm, they will continue even when the weapon is drawn. This makes the decision to fire easier and easier to defend in court. you gave many options for the assaulter to cease. you tried meeting the threat with an amount of force to stop the attack.

Not all situations will evolve this way or allow the time to draw. but if the threat is escalating and you have the option of defusing the situation any other way besides killing someone then that is the route to go.

July 7, 2009, 12:03 AM
Although I have been awakened by strange noises or a barking dog in the middle of the night; only to rack a round in the shotgun, check it out and unload/reload to condition 3... more times than I can remember.

July 7, 2009, 12:11 AM
20 plus years of firearms ownership and I've had to draw my pistol 2X -- I don't count the one time I had to convince someone to get off my property w/ the help of my pump shotgun

Uncle Billy
July 7, 2009, 07:26 AM
It doesn't have to be too serious. In this one I am a cowboy. You can tell by my hat. It even has a pony in it. How serious can it be with a pony in it?

Excellent! Very creative and fits my sense of humor just right.

July 8, 2009, 01:17 PM
KUDO"S to HKMP5SD how very very true "situational awareness" 22yrs a ccw carrier never had to pull his pistol,that's something to really brag about, and some thing we all need to always improve on no matter how good we are at it , as far as I'm concerned he's got the best bragging rights!
Fatboy2 Congrats you seem to be the first one that actually called 911! I hope it was just overlooked when most were righting about there experiences that they neglected to say that immediately afterwards they called 911! Failure to do so not only leaves themselves out in the breeze for some possible big legal matters that the BG can claim and imply they did to them turning the table around and virtually putting them in jail,but also by letting these nut jobs go on to there next victims,when a call to 911 could have notified LE and got them off the street.I hope it was just an over sight,but so many replies just ommited that they called 911 after the altercation, which surprised me as this is one of the most important things that has to be conveyed to others who have never gone thru the experience.
Im a Vietnam vet, there is no glory in taking a life, like some have seemed to imply,As a civilian I have never pulled my pistol,I was always trained that you do not pull your gun unless your 100% sure your going to use it! SELF AWARENESS! it would have helpled in alot of these cases im sure.

July 8, 2009, 01:38 PM
Nope, never had a need to but from the looks of this poll it seems that 46.11% of you need to move to a better neighborhood. :eek:

July 8, 2009, 02:15 PM
I've had my CCW for just over two weeks now, so if I *did* have to answer "yes", I wouldn't blame anyone for wondering how that happened. <wry grin> I've never drawn in self defense. I hope I never will need to. (Target shooting, a few good classes, and practice in the desert are all the excitement I need in this regard, thankyouverymuch.)

July 8, 2009, 03:58 PM
i have been carrying for three years and i have drawn my gun a few times and never had to use it. either i was in the shower and my fience would come home and not know it was her or sometimes dumb along those lines. one time i did drawn my gun with every intention of using it. my parents have three dogs and they had them all outside. i was upstairs coming out of the bathroom and i heard what was another dog that has been known to fight with other dogs and attack kids. sounded like he was attacking someone. i came down the stairs out the front door as fast as i can and pointed my gun at the attacking dog which at this point was trying to attack my father. as i drew the gun and put the sights on the dog's front shoulder, for some reason the dog turned away from my dad and ran the other way. i re holstered my weapon and went back down to the house. the situation got my blood pretty good. my mom and grandmother was watching the whole thing and said i looked like i had drawn my gun many times before.

July 9, 2009, 05:53 AM
Yes, I have, on numerous occasions have both drawn and used my handgun both as a peace officer and as private citizen. I am also a Vietnam Veteran, a survivor of the "brown water Navy", and it was there that I found out how terrible it is to have to take another persons life, especially when it is "up close and personal", the way it is with a handgun or shotgun. As a police officer I was in 5 shootings, and I can't look back at any of them and say there was any other solution to those situations; even with the blinding power of my hindsight. I would have given anything if there had been other options. I talk to young male shooters at the local ranges and some seem enthused, even eager, for that first chance to get into a shooting situation, and it scares the bejesus out of me. I wonder if life has just become cheaper as time has passed?

I carry concealed because my home town is violent and growing more so. The last time I drew my weapon was about 6 years ago when I was visiting my favorite Mexican restaurant after dark, and two guys came at me as I was getting to my car. One had a knife, the other had what turned out to be a short pry bar. I drew my 1911 and let each one get a view of the bore. I told them to drop the weapons, and they complied. Then I suggested in Spanish that they run home and they seemed to think that was a wonderful idea. When they had run away I picked up the weapons and called 911 and reported the incident. The officer I spoke to took the descriptions, but was not even interested in having a unit come by to pick up the weapons. I dropped the junk by the PD the next day. It's become a strange world.

July 10, 2009, 06:24 PM
Drawing a weapon is a serious decision and if the situation calls for drawing a weapon it also calls for pulling the trigger.

I drew my gun three times and pointed it at individuals. Twice, it was the same idiot.

Never had to shoot anybody. Once they saw that .45 and the look in my eyes, they immediately gave up and complied with all instructions.

This great thread, one of the best ever IMHO, and the second quote illustrate why the first quote is wrong.

Listen, everyone can be wrong so don't get upset. The fact is if you believe,

a. don't draw unless you plan to shoot or
b. If you draw you should shoot

Then you are wrong both times. But if you modify that just a "snidg" and say;

"Don't draw unless you are willing to shot."

Then I am with you.

A gun is a tremendous deterant and it need not be shoot to make that point. But yes, you must be ready to shoot it if necessary and it should never be drawn to bluff.

P5 Guy
July 11, 2009, 03:42 PM
Driving home from working 2nd shift.
I caught the red light at 38th and 28th. A male started to come up to my new convertible, top down, saying I needed to give him a ride. He had his shirt off but covering his right arm. I pulled my pistol from the door map pocket and told him I wasn't going his way and he ran. I ran the red light too.

July 11, 2009, 08:50 PM
Wish I still had the drawing. Or the gun. Or my dad.

MauiDoc, this is poetry. I'm in awe.

And I'm sorry for your losses.


Uncle Billy
July 12, 2009, 10:49 AM
I totally agree.

July 12, 2009, 04:32 PM
I am glad you guys are liking this thread. I am quite surprised that the result so far is pretty even. I like that. I am getting some nice stories to read.

I guess at the end of the day one must realize that having a weapon on person is a great deterent. The next part is tricky. Having a weapons properly using it to defuse a hostile situation is a great skill.

July 16, 2009, 10:30 AM
was out on a double date with my best friend and our girls, who happen to be sisters. My best friend and I both have our CCP's(Indiana). XD40 for me XD45 for him. Well when we get into the theater, Im the last one to sit down, and there was a young man black male behind me, with his legs sprawled out and his feet on my head rest and arm rest. I dont think anything of it when I sit down as I dont really care if ppl put there feet up, cause I do it too. Well, evidentally I bumped his foot when I sat down and he proceeds to get all ****ty about it. Gets up and starts mouthing off about how I have no manners and this other crap. Now, Im not gonna lie, I can have a smart ass mouth on me at times and this was just one of those nights. I mouthed off and told him to just keep walkin, and that he's a bigger idiot than I thought if he's gonna make something of it.

Well, randomly throughout the movie, he would get to up go talk on his phone and everytime he'd walk buy he'd say some remark about meeting me in the parking lot after words. Im just thinking this guys just an idiot and all talk.

After we leave the movie, he follows me, my girl and my friend and his girl out to my car. Evidentally during one of his trips he called some "buddies" in for assistance. They proceed to keep following us. Once we get to my car, he keeps talkin ****, and slams my car door on me as Im attempting to get it. I get out, and ask him what his problem is, his reply was to muble something about how Im a moron and gonna get my ass kicked then takes a swing at me, striking me in the left shoulder. At this point his friends are starting to move in. After he takes a 2nd swing and misses. I decide this needs to end before it gets bad. Using my left hand, I strike him open palmed in the chest while drawing and keeping my pistol close to my body. Its at this point one of his friends sees what I just did and yells he's got a gun, they all freeze, including the punk who is just trying to act cool for his girl and his friends. He starts mumbling things about this just being a misunderstanding and he's sorry. I tell them they need to leave and nothing will be thought of it anymore.

That is the closest I have ever come to thinking I am gonna have to use my weapon in defense. Ive never been more scared in my life. I was running it thru in my head that if he would have taken another aggressive move towards me, I would have placed my finger on the trigger and fired. My dad is on the Sheriff Dept here and he's always told me you shoot until the threat has stopped, and thats exactly what I would prepared to do. I just hope I never have to....

Tennessee Gentleman
July 16, 2009, 11:17 AM

As one of the more astute posters on TFL used to have in his signature line.

"You can have a gun, and you can have a temper. You just can't have both."

A government vacation awaits many of those who have both.

July 16, 2009, 11:40 AM
Excellent! Very creative and fits my sense of humor just right.
Thanks, I am glad you appreciated it. :)

My employees were getting a bit miffed at me when I stopped helping them put in insulation to draw that. Especially since I stole their sharpie marker to do it. :)

July 16, 2009, 12:41 PM

You're quite the cartoonist. I like the Kahr cowboy.

July 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
I asked some of the local LEO's about if what I had done was the correct thing to do, and was told that it that instance, the other guy was in the wrong and I had every right to draw. So its good to know that at least here, I did the right thing.

Tennessee Gentleman
July 16, 2009, 04:24 PM
and was told that it that instance, the other guy was in the wrong and I had every right to draw.

The best part is nobody got hurt. Remember too that the police will not judge you, a jury will and generally it is not a good idea to get into any kind of fight when you are armed. Better I think, to just smile, disengage and walk away. If you shoot someone the consequences will be life changing and not for the better. Why take that chance? I promise you that you would not have felt good about shooting those guys.

Now, Im not gonna lie, I can have a smart ass mouth on me at times and this was just one of those nights.

Hard to break old habits I know, but since you are CCW it might be a good idea to break that habit. Better to take some verbal guff than go through a SD shooting aftermath. I recommend reading some of Massad Ayoob's files about this.

July 16, 2009, 08:31 PM
I was taught in my chl class that if you pulled your gun and did not use it the person you pulled it on could call the cops.And you could get in alot of trouble with the law.Has this ever happened to anyone?

Brian Pfleuger
July 16, 2009, 08:36 PM
I was taught in my chl class that if you pulled your gun and did not use it the person you pulled it on could call the cops.

For one thing, criminals don't usually call the cops.

For a second thing, it is not illegal IN ANY JURISDICTION to stop short of shooting someone after you have drawn your gun, in fact shooting someone after drawing your gun could very quickly change from defense to murder. Anyone who says "If you draw, you shoot." is giving you very bad advice.

For a third thing, if you draw your gun YOU had better be calling the cops. Doing otherwise indicates that YOU were acting unlawfully. IF you were in fear enough to draw your gun then there is ZERO excuse to not be calling the police.

July 16, 2009, 08:59 PM
Never drawn, but took a few pictures. :o

July 16, 2009, 08:59 PM
I was taught in my chl class that if you pulled your gun and did not use it the person you pulled it on could call the cops.And you could get in alot of trouble with the law.Has this ever happened to anyone?

You can pull your gun in a lawful and necessary manner and Bubba can, and often will, call the police and say you pulled a gun on him "for no reason". Of course, you will have called 911 first, and told them what really happened. Right?

Hope they didn't teach you that if you pull your gun, you have to shoot. Been many a situation change fast as a gun was being drawn (appropriately). Bubba could be hot footin' it down the road by then, or have his hands in the air.

Just my thoughts on the matter.:cool:

July 16, 2009, 09:04 PM
Thank you Peetzakiller that makes alot more sense than what was taught in the class I took.Thats what is scary, instructors that are not teaching the classes the way they should.He stressed the fact that if you drew your gun and failed to use it that you would be in alot of trouble.

July 16, 2009, 09:42 PM
Thank you Peetzakiller that makes alot more sense than what was taught in the class I took.Thats what is scary, instructors that are not teaching the classes the way they should.He stressed the fact that if you drew your gun and failed to use it that you would be in alot of trouble.
The correct way to remember it is..."The next to last thing you ever want to do is draw your weapon. The last thing you want to do is actually be forced to fire it." :)

Uncle Billy
July 16, 2009, 10:24 PM
"..."You can have a gun, and you can have a temper. You just can't have both..."

Reminds me of something Robin Williams said: "God gave man a brain and a <male appendage> but only enough blood to run one of them at a time."

Bob F.
July 17, 2009, 08:25 PM
Yep. twice, once on bird's flushing from a cedar tree @ 2yds, late night---where I wasn't supposed to be............

July 24, 2009, 03:31 AM
The correct way to remember it is..."The next to last thing you ever want to do is draw your weapon. The last thing you want to do is actually be forced to fire it."

There is another perspective, and that comes from the real hard corps violent types. I heard it said by a Hells Angel to a guy who had pulled a gun on him over a minor disagreement and did not immediately fire, "If you had the sack to use that thing, you'd have already shot me by now!". The biker then took the gun away from the guy and was in the process of beating the guy to death when County Sheriff Deputies arrived. I was an unarmed civilian bystander at an outdoor hamburger stand in a fiberglass body cast from my last back surgery when this happened, and could not get involved, but understand the mentality. If you do pull your firearm, don't be timid or act weak as some guys will eat you alive if you do. Present the weapon quickly and with confidence. :confused:

July 24, 2009, 08:02 AM
I've had to unholster my weapon twice, the first time someone kicked in the my basment door in broad daylight with me down there reloading some new 40 sw loads for my pistol imagine his surprise seeing all the reloading equipment and a glock 22 in his eyeball, the 2nd time i pulled it i also had a snub nose wheelgun in my face from a guy that thought i was checking out his girlfriend and decided he would rather risk his life by pulling his weapon on me than to just let it go (althought i was checking her out she was a mighty fine looker with a good rack) but thanks to my training from Clint Smith and the exceptional staff at Thunder Ranch i was able to difuse the situation without ever fireing a round (even though he s*it his pants when i pulled my glock and poked him i nthe nose with it ). As someone said earlier always have situational awareness and control over your emotions and weapon at all times.

July 25, 2009, 02:12 PM
the 2nd time i pulled it i also had a snub nose wheelgun in my face from a guy that thought i was checking out his girlfriend and decided he would rather risk his life by pulling his weapon on me than to just let it go (althought i was checking her out she was a mighty fine looker with a good rack) but thanks to my training from Clint Smith and the exceptional staff at Thunder Ranch i was able to difuse the situation without ever fireing a round (even though he s*it his pants when i pulled my glock and poked him i nthe nose with it ).

That's pretty intense. Why are some guys just so insecure? I see guys looking at my wife all the time and it's almost a compliment (as long as they're not being overtly crude), and I sure wouldn't be willing to go to jail for life over something so silly.

July 26, 2009, 07:55 AM
And to say the least my heart damn near jumped out of my chest when i met the barrel of the snub nose i damn near s*it my pants to haha but i held my composure long enough to difuse the situation and not pulll the trigger

July 26, 2009, 12:59 PM
I am laughing right now, because I didn't read the original post before I voted, so I selected the affirmative answer to the poll question and was about to respond with a wise *** comment about how I practice my draw all of the time :D. I have never had to use a firearm in self defense, so consider this post an amendment, changing my answer to "no".

August 6, 2009, 06:51 AM
And to say the least my heart damn near jumped out of my chest when i met the barrel of the snub nose i damn near s*it my pants to haha but i held my composure long enough to difuse the situation and not pulll the trigger

Very few people can hold their composure when in high stress situations.

August 6, 2009, 01:24 PM
"a vanload of mexicans swerved in front of me, hit the brakes, and then proceeded on."

Nice way of explaning the situation. You would think a Law Enforcement Officer would use better sense explaning an incident. Must of been a Deputy!

maestro pistolero
August 7, 2009, 04:08 AM
but thanks to my training from Clint Smith and the exceptional staff at Thunder Ranch i was able to difuse the situation without ever fireing a round
You disarmed him?

August 9, 2009, 10:24 AM
Stopped a young man that had stolen my neighbor’s car the day before. The stupid twit stopped at a gas station only ¼ mile from our homes.
When he came out of the gas station I had the gun behind my back and when he walked up to the car I walked up to him and took hold of his arm keeping the gun away I showed it to him and told him to set down and not to move that I knew this was a stolen car.
I think he might have soiled him self.
I never pointed the gun at him since at no time I was in danger from him. A construction worker that was also there saw what was happening and came over and helped by phoning the police. Turned out the kid had a record and had been AOL from the Navy for over 8 months.

August 9, 2009, 11:30 AM
Never have, hope I never have to. Sometimes just the self-confidence is enough to let predators know you aren't prey. When it's not, all you can do is be prepared.

August 9, 2009, 12:02 PM
I think it was 8 years ago. I was in a busy road in early afternoon, the car in front of me stopped sudenly, and a minibus sadwiched me so taht I could not even open my door, then 3 males started to get out and walk towards me. (this is a typical car-jacking situation unfolding) I opened my window and pointed my S&W 0.40 at the driver (who had stayed in his minibus).

I shouted that they should get in their car and back off, it was not necessary to explain what was about to happen, I had the hammer half-way back with my finger on the trigger, by the time I shouted the 2nd time they were already getting into their minibus.

The nearest police station was only 2 blocks away, so I drove there and reported the incident.

Car jacking that unfold like this or in a very similar way are unfortunately very common here, so the cops took the report and the descriptions that I could give them and left it at that.

Would I have fired if they kept coming? yes, I decided that as soon as anyone tries to break a window or open a door to my vehicle I would shoot.

I am aware of my surroundings, but in this case it was a matter of common traffic turning into a car-jacking situation in a matter of seconds.

As for having the trigger pulled half way? I carry the 4006 with a round in the chamber, hammer down, safety off. the first shot is DA and thereafter SA. I practice with it at least twice a month in a range, and at least once a week dry-firing, and I am very familiar with this gun and particularly the trigger. Do I recommend this to anyone else? Absolutely not. This is something that I am prepared to do if and when I have to defend myself and or my familiy, and this will happen (if ever) again only in a situation where an attack is in progress and I am actively defending myself, but opting to give the BG one last chance to change his mind before I let a 0.40 Hollow point change his mind for him.

I am glad to see that in the US the situation is pretty much like in SA, where crime is often averted by a well prepared (and suitably armed) person, without necessarily having to shoot. ( so far no one has told here of actually having to shoot)


August 9, 2009, 12:35 PM
hoping the need never arrises.... dont intend to pull it for nothing..

August 9, 2009, 03:01 PM
A few times. Never aimed at anything human, and never fired a shot defensively at anything.

August 12, 2009, 08:20 PM
It's a long story but in 2000 I was walking away from a pilot transportation van after denying access into a restricted area (Nuclear) since most of the pilots did not have their ID card (aka Geneva convention card) and the 3 that did, did'nt want to leave their pilot/gunner behind stayed in the van. A full bird in the vehicle (also not prepared for work) apparently got ****** off and came out of the van with hate and his eyes and something in his hand.
When I looked up at my M60 over watch in the up armored Humvee to give him the "those dumb asses" look he pointed past me (screaming) and settled into the firing position. I turned/side stepped right, charged a round and took a knee to see a colonel stop cold, **** his pants or choke on his nuts and change his mind.:eek:
I had no idea what to do because at 19 years old I just charged a round and pointed my weapon with intent to end someones life. We put him on his knees the humee driver called control, and I stood 6 ft away weapon in the least threatening way I could think of with out setting it down all together and walking away like it was not mine contemplating how short my career turned out to be. A minute or so later my Flight Commander drove up with lights on and drive the colonel back to his fighter squadron and back to his comfy chair to write his statement.

Flight CC came out later complemented all of us for doing our job (told us we weren't in trouble) and conveyed the Colonel's apology. Did he apologize..? Don't care but I put a 0-6 on his knees on a rare sunny day on hot blacktop and didn't get in trouble.

August 13, 2009, 12:22 AM
TMLynch and UncleBilly; Thanks for the feedback. I may not have Dad or the gun anymore, but at least I still have his gun to remember him by! And I have some spare dads too--Mom was busy!:D

August 13, 2009, 01:00 AM
Three separate cases, only twice did I clear the holster.

Was out walking in the woods, 1AM, middle of nowhere. Dead quiet night, no wind. Heard a branch snap behind me. I spun and drew. Stood there for about 30 seconds with my finger in the trigger guard waiting for a target to be identified. Nothing appeared at all. Quietly backed away and got out of there.. some bobcats have been spotted in the area.

Walking at night in town and saw a stray dog coming across the parking lot at high speed. Was about to draw when it changed course and ran away. Perhaps it had seen a handgun before :).

In the grocery store at night with the wife. A very rough looking guy acting stoned and/or drunk yells as my wife from about 20' away "hey little girl, come here!" I spin around and reach inside my shirt (IWB), place my hand on the grip of my Glock 22. Guy walks up to my wife, gets real close and says "where you at now?" Takes another step towards her then realizes she's somebody else. Turns towards me and reaches out for a handshake saying "no disrespect meant for your wife." I wasn't about to remove my hand from under my shirt... he glanced down and apparently realized I wasn't holding a cell phone under there... he turned and walked away quickly.

Came home once with my wife (we don't have kids), opened the front door and the lights were on. I never leave them on. Drew my 1911 and did a quick room clearing of the house. Guess I did leave them on after all... :O

August 15, 2009, 09:59 PM
Today! Was dropping off my friend at his car in the Walmarticus parking lot. I'm sitting in my truck, he is standing at my door, talking. I see a suspicious car (big shiny wheels and fugly paint job) roll by slowly, turn around and come back, parking 2 spots away. Now this is as far from the entrance as you can get, and nobody is parking out here except us.

As the car is pulling up, "Heads-Up! Car behind you!" I say to my buddy. He just gets this confused look on his face, which turns to surprise as he sees the pistol in my hand, still below the window.

"Where did that come from?", he shouts.

The perp in the fugly car, who was sizing us up, hears his shouting, and decided to leave. Or maybe it was my icy stare:D

Five minutes later, this scenario is repeated with another car. I say, "This is getting too hinky" (bad cop jargon), and decide to leave.

My friend did not know I am a CHL holder. He does now.

Brian Pfleuger
August 15, 2009, 11:49 PM
You pulled your gun because someone parked next to you?! Really?:eek::barf:

Satanic Toaster
August 16, 2009, 02:20 AM
The first time I was coming out of a movie at about 2:00am with my fiance and a group of men were standing nearby their car which was by my truck. The began making crude comments about my fiance and asking if she wanted to come with them. I politely told them to leave us alone and was told to shut up in more crude language than that. One of the men grabbed her arm and i told them to let her go and we would be on our way. He didn't and began to twist her arm and I struck him with my Security Six on the side of his head. The group got fidgety quick. I told them to step away and they cleared out of the area real quick. Called LEO's and the car was picked up later that night for DUI. figures. LEO's said one of the passengers had a large welt on his head and I confirmed it was from a Ruger hitting him.

Second time was when I was home alone and I was getting ready for bed and saw flashlights shining into my back windows. I put my Security Six in my pocket and grabbed my Ithaca Model 37 and went and turned on the floodlights to see a group of scared looking teenagers with black on. I guess a 6'3" man with a 12 gauge is a frightening sight. The all ran off in different directions.

Hopefully I won't ever have to draw again.

August 16, 2009, 01:00 PM
Pulled it once, never had to fire it, or even point it at someone. The sight of it was enough to make 2 would be car thiefs change their minds about what they should be doing that night.

Trooper Tyree
August 16, 2009, 03:11 PM
It doesn't have to be too serious. In this one I am a cowboy. You can tell by my hat. It even has a pony in it. How serious can it be with a pony in it?


Penguin's got the idea, there doesn't have to be anything serious about drawing your gun. I've never drawn a handgun but I have drawn one of my rifles for a cowboy scene.

I do have to ask Penguin, just what exactly is any self respecting cowboy doing with an automatic? Poor fellow, I'll be he's the laughing stock of the roundup. :o

August 16, 2009, 03:14 PM
I do have to ask Penguin, just what exactly is any self respecting cowboy doing with an automatic? Poor fellow, I'll be he's the laughing stock of the roundup.
Right up until I get in a gun battle with a black hat and they fire off their six rounds and I still have one left. :)

Only S&W and Me
August 19, 2009, 06:56 PM
Reading through this thread, the situations you would have to draw (and possibly fire). I hate to generalize but really here are the most probable:

1) You are held up at gunpoint in public - most likely you provide your wallet and not draw for fear of being shot first. (I would let the wallet go).

2) You are held up at gunpoint at car window - most likely get the hell out with your vehicle unless blocked where most likely you submit your vehicle (maybe/maybe not). (I would let the car go on gunpoint. Aggressive person at window no gun, I drive off)

2) You are attacked physically off-guard. You probably don't have a chance to grab your gun in a struggle. If he has a knife or gun during the attack, you most likely will draw if have chance, but most likely you depend on your physical strength to defend. (I would use physical stength).

3) You are approached by an attacker with knife at enough distance to respond. You draw and fire if needed depending on the intent. (I would draw and fire if necessary)

4) You are approached by multiple aggressive men (or women). (I would draw immediately upon intent, to defend myself)

These are my thoughts I will respond to. Most events will fall into one of these scenarios.

I don't care if the bad guys call the cops...I would highly doubt any of these losers would.

August 20, 2009, 01:43 AM
I was trying to get some sleep when a heard a few wheezing barks outside my window. I loaded up my Ruger 10/22 (I know it's not a handgun, but I felt like making conversation) and headed outside with a flashlight. I checked all around my backyard with the light just to make sure. Nothing there. I didn't sleep that night because I was afraid my cat would be dead or something. Looking back on it, it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. First, risking my life over a cat was pretty dumb, and second, I don't know if a .22LR or a few would be able to take down a coyote. Maybe a fox though. Please educate me if you can.

August 20, 2009, 08:15 AM

August 20, 2009, 10:59 AM
Yes. Many years ago, I drew a handgun one time during a July 4th race riot. I was in a car with a date trying to get to where the fireworks display was. I was stuck in a huge traffic jam when all around me people were getting out of their cars and fighting in the street. I had a Jennings .22 pistol with me. Pulled it, racked the slide and got prepared to shoot if need be. Fortunately I traffic started moving a little and I got the heck out of there.

Several things I learned:

1. Never keep your gun behind your seat because it is very difficult to reach when you might need it - took way too much time to retrieve
2. Racking the slide of a gun to chamber a round, especially with a cheap Jennings .22 is difficult when it fails to chamber a round correctly.
3. When the SHTF, you will be angry if all you have is a crappy .22 that is giving you problems.

Interestingly, the little J-22 functions great when I'm plinking with it, but if this had been a life threatening situation, I would have been in trouble (did finally get it to chamber a round...just took too long to get the one that didn't chamber properly out of there). I have to say, I did wish I had my little 5-shot snub nose revolver instead.

August 28, 2009, 12:18 AM
Handgun no, AK-47 Yes...

August 28, 2009, 12:47 AM
Never as a civilian. Many times in Iraq.

August 28, 2009, 01:05 AM
I was fishing last year with my (then) 1 year old daughter in a backpack carrier. She was laughing and giggling and generally just being a 1 year old little girl, making a lot of noise because it amused her. An hour or so after we'd been there, an older man arrived and started fishing about 20 yards away from us (rude to begin with, there's plenty of river = no need to crowd). He was much bigger than I (I'm 6'2" 215lbs). After about 15mins he starts yelling at me to "Shut that little b***h up, she's scaring all the fish away!" I tried to deescalate by explaining that she's just a baby and he is more than welcome to move along a little ways or wait a few minutes and we'd be heading home. He got mad, started advancing toward me yelling "If you don't shut her up I WILL!" It's very rare to see this kind of behavior up here and I don't take kindly to people threatening my little girl... I was open carrying my Glock 20SF (10mm) on my left side, which he couldn't see, so I slowly turned to allow him the opportunity to see it and walk away. He looked, paused for a second and kept on coming. I then drew, aimed COM and used every bit of booming voice I had left in me, (I was scared s***less BTW) and yelled "STOP! STOP or I will shoot you!" (He was about 15-20ft away at this point) He stopped, thought for a second and ran back to his truck. Then I puked.

Several people heard and saw this commotion, there were a few people in the parking lot (about 50yds from where we were) and one of them grabbed a cellphone pic of the guy and his license plate as he was leaving. Alaska State Troopers were there in less than 5 mins and took several statements and questioned me extensively. They identified who he was, turns out he was an officer on base, new to the island. They contacted military police who contacted his command... Lots of meetings with lots of officers followed. Long story short, he was transferred.

I found out later that my fishing buddy that had gone back to the truck had seen all of this unfold as he was walking back and was positioning himself in relative position 2, gun drawn, just outside of my and the crazy guy's peripheral. The only issue we had when discussing it afterwards was that yes, he was out of my LOF, but also out of my sight. Could've ended badly if he had pulled the trigger, my focus (and muzzle) then would have been on him. We talked about it and corrected.

August 28, 2009, 10:19 AM

That's a helluva story. Glad you and your daughter were okay -- a man wearing a babypack doesn't have a lot of mobility or a lot of options in a scuffle! :barf:


ESI Agent
August 30, 2009, 09:36 PM
I have drawn my weapon far more times than i can count. I work in the security industry and have used my firearm to control a number of situations and make arrest. Now i know their are many experts who will attack this because the stigma of the security guard type. Their are many levils of security from the night watchman to private operator.

August 31, 2009, 01:27 AM
I draw my pistol every day at least once. I work a high risk fugitive task force and clear multiple houses, hotel rooms, apartments every day. Ive been shot once by a rifle at night from a distance of about 200 yards. (he gave up after the negotiator talked to him and went to jail)
Off duty Ive never had to draw my weapon, I carry concealed, and maintain a low profile, which is the best form of protection. If something ever kicks off I have the element of surprise if no one knows i'm armed or a cop which is why ive never understood someone open carrying other than uniformed cops/security. Open carry says "shoot me first, i'm armed!".

August 31, 2009, 08:00 AM
Was walking on the beach one night (two years ago) when three dudes came up on us and then walked on by. I turned around and they were coming back to me again. I immediately asked my wife to get off to the side of me and don't say anything to them. The first guy to me, asked me to "loan" him some money as he was broke and was hungry. The other two just stood beside him and gave me some menacing looks. They had their hands in their pockets, etc.

I was really scared down deep but did not show my fear to them. I asked them in a very loud and serious tone of voice to leave us alone and that this would be my last warning to them. He had the stones to demand money from me again (but not in a robbery way, just that he needed $$)... The other two dudes began to move around to my sides.
:mad: At this point, I backed away and pulled my S&W Mod. 60 out and held it down by my side. Told him to leave again or there was going to be serious consequences if they approached me again. My wife was freaking out and began to cry. This really ticked me off that they would do this us. I then sort of lost my fear and it turned to extreme anger. I knew this was dangerous and so I yelled at them to get the hell out of here immediately. They knew I wasn't kidding and so they did leave while cussing me out down the beach.
I kept my gun in my jacket pocket the whole way back to my car in case they were lying in wait for me on the way back (it was very dark and I didn't have a flashlight). Never saw them again and I was relieved to say the least. Looking back on this, I probably would have shot the first guy who approached me after my last warning to stay away. I decided that I was going back to my family and was not going to allow these dirt bags to scare me and especially my wife anymore. Luckily, it didn't have to come to that.
Next time I walked the beaches at night, I carried my Surefire light with me as well as my .38 special with +P's.

357 Python
August 31, 2009, 06:39 PM
Many years ago I operated an armed mobile security patrol service when I had to draw my duty weapon. I discovered a break in at a client's location with the suspects still there. One suspect ran but the other came out the door I was standing near. He came out while I was on our radio telephone with the local police. When he came out the door suddenly I drew my 4" S&W 686 so quickly and hard my elbow hurt for three days. The guy was about 19-22 years old and his hair started turning color right before my eyes. The police were advised that I had one suspect in custody. I had 4 city police units there with in 2 minutes. I waited for the city officers to handcuff the suspect since I was working alone. Just about six months later I had to arrest two other burglary suspects at the same location. In Virginia registered armed security officers are allowed to make arrests for offenses that occur in their presence.

August 31, 2009, 06:50 PM
Not yet, thanks be to God.

August 31, 2009, 07:22 PM
You folks live in some piece of chit neighborhoods... Check this out.

Lived in Chula Vista in the mid 90's for 3 years, Oxnard California for 3 years in the late 80's & early 90's, England (where there are no pistols, only shotguns and blunder busters), Glen Burnie Maryland in the mid 90's, Fairfield California for 3 years just recently moved from there an guess what? Never locked any of my doors or windows, sometimes I liven in an apartment complex sometimes I rented a home, never locked my cars and left the keys in them most of the time.

Never had a break in, and the only time I had a car stolen (most often the key's are on the dashboard) but this was the ONE TIME I locked the dang thing :) :) :) I locked it and put on the club and some damn Mexican's stole it! (I found a Worker Permit card that belonged to a migrant worker working on a valid permit) in the truck when we recovered it on Mexican mother's day at the local deputy sheriff's daughters house... In her damn OPEN GARAGE, but the police said that since I had no witnesses seeing this fella drive it in or in the vehicle they could do nothing...

That's the day my Genuine U.S. Springfield Model 03 30-06 serial # 1503158 was stolen... It was a sad day, but I've still never been in a situation requiring the flashing or pulling of my strictly SD weapon. (which I rarely ever carry anymore)... But that's just me... Dang I talk a lot... Sorry.

August 31, 2009, 08:23 PM
You pulled your gun because someone parked next to you?! Really?
You really need to read the post (post #125) before responding. He never showed it to the "suspect". No brandishing, just a suspicion and preparedness.

Reading is Fundamental.

August 31, 2009, 08:25 PM
Only as a lawman.

September 21, 2009, 08:14 PM
1991 - just got my concealed permit. Back then, you had to be bonded, have your employer's sign a form stating that you needed one. I worked for a man that collected large sums of cash - he was an insurance agent. I was working my way through college. I guess these two thugs cased the place and knew when I went to the bank. It was in January, cold and dark at 6pm. I was locking up before making the night deposit. One guy was walking across the parking lot, but that was common and did not make me nervous. Once I locked the door, thug #2 came out from around side of building and now I was trapped. One between me and the car. The other between me and the office. I walked to the side so both were now in front of me. (best move i could have ever made)

Thug#2 pulled out a knife and said, "we want that bag". I reached under my coat, pulled the thumb latch on my shoulder holster. The streetlight shined off of my stainless Taurus 9mm. As soon as they saw it, thug #1 said, "cool", and they walked away. I thought I was going to die that day. I did not shake at all during the event, but damn near ****** all over myself afterwards. I do not think I got any sleep that night, and had that gun right by me all night.

The next day there was a single bullet hole over my office window. I guess they were letting me know that they had weapons also. I never saw them again. Thank God.

October 13, 2009, 08:43 AM
It is always amuzing and alarming at the same time when a stranger wants you to loan him some money....justified reason to show him that you have only weapon and no money with you :)

October 13, 2009, 09:43 AM
Just to be clear, it is brandishing if they aren't showing deadly force as well, in most states. If they just say, "hey, loan me some money", or "got some change?", pulling out a gun will cost you your permit, your gun and possibly your freedom.

October 16, 2009, 11:03 AM
I drew my .45 upon hearing someone enter my house without knocking or calling out.

I didn't shoot because it turned out to be my 85 yr old step father who is starting to forget things and wanders around the neighborhood sometimes.

Yes, I was ready to shoot. I think drawing was the right action, but I don't feel bad that I didn't kill him. Quite the opposite.

Willie Lowman
October 16, 2009, 11:41 AM
Yep! Drew my USP just last week.

I was walking my puppy down the west road out of town... A fat groundhog came out of a drainage ditch and up to the side of the road. My pup ran to the end of his leash to check out this exciting new creature. The groundhog stood it's ground. I drew the USP and started reigning in my doggy. The groundhog turned and went into the woods. I didn't shoot it because I don't want rotting animals where I stroll.

Went home and I had a beer, the dog had a biscuit.

Laugh if you want at my story. No car jackings around here, but I don't need any vet bills because some rodent tore up my pup.

October 16, 2009, 03:56 PM
A fat groundhog

Y'all can eat them......

October 16, 2009, 04:18 PM
Outside of military LE situations, only once where I thought i would have to use it. Bunch of drunk idiots walking down my street pushing thier friend out into the roadway thinking it was funny around 0200 one morning. The friend soon came running to my house because I am an insomiac and had the lights and tv on, I guess to get some help. The drunks stayed out on the sidewalk and yelled a few obcentities and looked as if they were going to advance. Maybe they saw my G23 tucked in my waistband and maybe they didn't. Either way they decided to keep moving while thier friend stayed and waited for the police. Never had an incident with a family member startling me as some members spoke of, hopefully never will.

October 16, 2009, 04:41 PM
one time during the last 3 years.

about 945pm at a small gas station in a small TN town.

went in and paid for gas. Noticed two 17+ year olds in the store.
they walked out before I did.

Before I knew it while I was finishing filling the tank one was on my driver door (opposite side of truck from me) and the other guy was circling around and was mid way to the tailgate coming to my side.

When he got within plain site of me I pulled it with my right hand and simultaneously put the gas nozzle up with my left and looked
him in the eye and said, "don't come any closer". His hand was behind
him and I believe he was reaching for something.

he saw the stainless 2.5 in barrel hanging near my thigh and he backed away
and said "hey man, we're all friends here"

about 1 second later he motioned for his pal and they jogged away.

I thank the Lord nothing else happened.

October 16, 2009, 04:55 PM
I was waiting outside a kids hangout. Sitting in my parked car. Kinda seedy part of town. There was a show going on inside. My kid and a couple of buddies were attending. The kids were all minors, 15-ish. The show was no alcohol allowed, etc. It was about 11pm. I was waiting for the show to end to take the kids home.

I was on alert because of the time, surroundings, etc. There weren't many people on the street. As I waited, a couple of guys walk down the street on the sidewalk across the street from where I'm parked. I notice that they notice me. They walk on by, but I take my P99 out of its' IWB holster, rack the slide, decock, and put it in my strong side jacket pocket. Sure enough, I watch the guys round the corner a couple of blocks behind my car, then reappear a few minutes later, still behind my vehicle, but now on my side of the street and headed my way.

When they're about a 100 feet away from the car, I get out, look directly at them, and walk to the front of the club. I don't go inside, just stand near the door. They walked on by and I didn't see them again.

Hard Ball
October 16, 2009, 06:56 PM
Yes, and more than once.

October 16, 2009, 08:03 PM
Well lots of situations ,here ,I have done it twice well only once ,the first time I did not have to really draw ,I was Salmon fishin by my self ,and when I was done there where these 2 tweekers ,getting ready ta dump some garbage and who knows what else ,well I over hear them and one decides they should rob me and see what the could get ,well I like my life so I insure it with my friends S&W .40 ,well I had it in my back pocket and when these to tweekers saw this they changed their plan and left with out dumping or getting killed ,I have no problem taking a scum bags life to preserve mine ( I guess Im selfish:rolleyes:) ,the second tme I was out in eastern Oregon Elk hunting and some yahoo decided ta start target practice ,where I was hunting ,so I go around the mountain ,and confront the man and his lady friend ( I regret doing it ) I asked him *** was he doing well he said he was ,target practicing ,I told him that there where hunters out where he was shooting ,well he did not give a rats butt ,and started getting an attitude ,I told him he thrw some flyers over my head and he should wait until the season ended ,well he gets more lippy ,then I tell him hey I could whip ur **ss he said he thought so too ( this guy was about 6'7" me 5'9") then he grabs the rifle the girl was holding and starts to point it at me ,I had no idea I could draw so fricking fast when he saw the barrel of my S&W revelolver loaded he stopped in his tracks and backed off ... Look I dont like drawing my gun ,but when you need it ,it is a good thing to have ,I really regret ever dealing with this guy ,I have learned from it ,but having my pistol helped me out ,in both situations ,I thank my fore fathers who gave me the 2nd amendment lets keep it

October 16, 2009, 08:35 PM
Cleared and fired once. I took my three boys fishing at night along a creek that we went to often. This was in the early 70's and they were 3 to 8 yrs old we had the lantern set up and fishing when a car stopped on the bridge just up stream of us and started firing in our direction, I had an old Iver Johnson .32 in my back pocket and instantly pulled it and returned fire. The car couldn't move fast enough for those idiots I'm sure, that old pistol made a lot of noise and a big fireball every time it fired. We didn't see them again.
Had my hand on my CCW a couple times but never pulled it thank God.

October 16, 2009, 08:53 PM
Yes I have. I was waiting to pick up a friend from work when two mid-upper 20's guys pulled up in a car beside me. They sat there for awhile and every so often would look over at me. I had a bad feeling so I slowly took my Glock 26 from its home in the glove box and set it underneath my thigh. One of the guys stepped out of their vehicle to smoke a cigarette and proceeded to look my vehicle and myself up and down and got back into their vehicle. Nothing happened but better safe than sorry.

Blue Grass
October 17, 2009, 08:54 AM
I was at a fastfood joint on my way to work one evening a few months ago. Cars were backed up in the drive-thru so I parked and was going to go in. I glanced in my door rear view mirror and saw two guys (18-20) approching the front door. I was parked about two spaces to the right of the door and a large SUV was parked on my left. When they reached the left rear corner of the SUV they walked to their right and slowly walked between the SUV and my car. I took my Kimber from under my thigh and held it against the steering wheel. When they saw my pistol they sped up and walked into the resturant. I started my car and drove away. Don't know what, if anything,
they intended.

Several years ago, my wife was driving on a fairly busy street in our city. Some idiot took offence at her and started tailgating her and honking his horn. She pulled into a store parking lot with a lot of people around and parked. The idiot pulled into the parking space directly in front of her and started to get out of his car. My wife took her .38 Dick Special out of her purse and held it against her left shoulder. Idiot and wife looked at each other and wife slowly shook her head. Idiot decided she had bigger Dick than he did so he immediately left the area.

matthew temkin
October 17, 2009, 09:22 AM
Yes..several times.
Many years ago, btw.

October 17, 2009, 03:24 PM
My dad, who was a Metro KC cop for 24 years and a Deputy Sheriff for 14 years, only pulled his weapon once, but fired all six rounds at a dude on PCP who was hitting another dude with a machete (all six rounds hit, but the guy survived).

I've drawn twice, fired once.
First time was in northern New Mexico where I was trout fishing on the San Juan with a buddy. Never know what sort of wildlife you'll run into up there, so we were both carrying. Him a .357 and me a Ruger Redhawk .44. As were making it back to camp, we find two ne'r do wells rummaging through our truck (that they broke the window to get into). Having already drunk our beer and eaten our sammiches, I guess they were going through the glovebox. they both had lever action rifles, but they were leaning against the tailgate of the truck. They never saw us coming; as soon as they got out of the truck (and we saw that they had nothing in their hands), we announced ourselves in a brusque manner (screaming obscenities and such). Told 'em to get on the ground in a spread eagle position. My buddy, who was a little on the mean side, patted 'em down and took their wallets and the keys to their truck. We told them to start walking back towards town and they'd be able to pick their guns, truck keys and wallets up at the county sheriff's office (no cell phone back then). We went back to town and got the sheriff; he met them on the road. They both were convicted felons and wound up getting pretty stiff sentences.

Second time I was walking my dog (Siberian Husky) on a friend's property in SW PA. He was leashed. About 400 yards away, I see a guy with a couple of unleashed dogs walking in my direction. No matter which way I went, he seemed intent on going the same direction. I finally quit walking and he made a beeline for me and my dog. I asked him very nicely not to approach me or my dog unless his dogs were leashed. He said he didn't have a leash and they were "really" friendly. By this time, he's about 30 yards from me and both his dogs (boxer cross) get their hackles up, bare their teeth and buck up their shoulders. My dog figures it's GO TIME and does the same. Now I'm yelling at this guy to get his dogs under control. I got one hand on the leash, trying to hold back a 60 lb dog that's all pull, but the boxers go into a sprint and are on my dog rikki tik. The idiot that owned them was just standing there with a stupid grin on his face. I had a S&W Centennial IWB, drew it and shot both boxers in the head. I hated doing it, but they were making short work of my Husky. The guy ran off, screaming. I called the cops, who tracked the guy down. He was a known breeder of fighting dogs.

October 18, 2009, 11:10 PM
Just once gentlemen, when some drunk entered my property and start harassing my guest.

Tom Servo
October 18, 2009, 11:47 PM
Let's just say, I've been some things and seen some places :)

Never had to fire, thank goodness.

I've shared the story elsewhere, but I was once in the process of taking up the slack in the trigger before the guy relented. I've never felt such relief as I did when I realized I wouldn't have to fire.

October 19, 2009, 08:19 PM
Yes..... more than twice.

October 19, 2009, 08:21 PM
Yes, just the other night. :)

October 21, 2009, 12:16 AM
I just spent the last hour reading this thread in its entirety and am really glad the good guys carry to help defuse situations. Subbing to this thread

October 21, 2009, 10:42 AM
I've shared the story elsewhere, but I was once in the process of taking up the slack in the trigger before the guy relented. I've never felt such relief as I did when I realized I wouldn't have to fire.

Boy do I know this feeling

#3 A coworker and I were chating at work when a man wearing a trench coat (on a warm day no less) walks in the shop. He makes a b line toward my coworker completely ignoring me......I was positioned to the idiots left. The man proceeds about half way through the shop and reaches under his left armpit under his trench coat with his right hand and begins to pull out a firearm. I, already alarmed due to the attire and demeanor or this guy, begin to draw my Glock 20 and climb up this guys leg while taking up the slack on the trigger. Then it hits me..........the guy has a BB GUN in his hand. Thankfully for both of us I recognized the pistol he was pulling as a crosman usually sold with a dart board (the gun was huge in my mind I guess due to stress). The man ultimately drew the gun and pointed the muzzle at my coworker and then announced his desire to pawn his BB GUN. When we finished reaming him out he stated that he was trying to scare us. This is the closest I have come to shooting someone and the closest I hope I ever get.....It really sucked although I was very happy with my reaction..............fight as you train is absolutely true.

#2 My cousin had interrupted 3 car thieves breaking into his truck. He pulled his shotgun and held 2 of them (1 fled) at gunpoint while his wife called police and then me (i lived next door). I run up to find two 15 year olds sitting on the tailgate in serious fear.....my cousin paused from his soap box, filled with expletives on how bad he was going to mangle their bodies if they moved, to ask me to check under the seat for his revolver. I did and told him it was there when I felt the truck shift. One of the teens had gotten up and began approaching me begging not to be shot by my cousin. I drew my Glock and pointed it and politely (I'm a wuss I know) ask for them to sit down. They began to studddddddder and sat down.

#1 For years I worked at my grandfathers printing business which was located in a residential neighborhood that had gone from very good to very bad in the 50 years since he began the business. Grandma's house was next to the shop. I spent the night Sunday's Thur Thursday's to keep them company and to be close to work for the work week. One night as we watched Arsenio Hall's show (back in the day I know) someone knocked on the door. My grandmother asked who it was but no answer. Again they banged on the door. I ran to my room and grabbed my Mini-14 (all I had back then) inserted a mag and ran back to the front door. I racked the action and allowed grandma to open the door. I cleared the porch when we noticed a large male running down the street. I believe he heard the mini's action and fled.

December 27, 2009, 04:05 AM
Thus far, it looks like that half of people who own a gun have also drawn it in thier lifetime- some more than once.

What does this mean?

December 27, 2009, 04:17 AM
It's because people only really come in to this topic if they drew their gun. I bet if you took an actual poll of everybody in real life, 90% of people wouldn't of drawn their firearm.

December 27, 2009, 05:08 AM
I think you are probably right there.

December 27, 2009, 08:09 AM
+1 Xyas

I bet it's far less than 10%.

I'd guess more like 1 or 2 % - which is why we all still carry.


Major 2
December 27, 2009, 10:38 AM
Some years back, I was working late nights (Show Biz)
and was driving home.
I live out in ranch country it was about 1:AM I'm driving down Deer Run Road
I notice a 80ish Silver Dodge Diplomat sitting in a Country Store parking lot.
It's way past the Store's closing time yet the cars parking lights are on.
I note it, but otherwise make no connection and continue to drive home.
At the next left, I turn on to the Road that leads to my front gate, I notice this car is behind me a ways back, parking lights still on (no headlights).
I made a turn to see if in fact he's is following, he is...
I got to my gate, which is closed, I got out and go to open it, as the Dodge pulls up and just past my gate's turn in.
I move to the front of my Bronco between the headlights.
The guy in the back right side, opens the door and shouts "you cut us off " he steps one leg out, I can't see the driver or if there is front passenger...I just assume there must be one.
Minimum , it's three to one....(remember they were parked in lot when I drove by, I was at least 75' away when I passed)
Using the Bronco as cover, I place my hand on my CW, I don't draw
just sorta bent in a semi defensive position.
Someone, other than dude in the back seat, says "come on lets go, the old guys not worth it "..... they pulled off ... ( hell, I was only 43 )
I watched as they went on down the road...I went inside and called the police. (no cell phone). The next morning ( daylight ) I gave a description
to the cop that followed up my call.
Seems someone had broken into the Country Store & took Cigarette's
Lottery Tickets & beer. I never heard if they were caught or even if it was them.

December 27, 2009, 10:44 AM
Other than work related, I have had drawn 10 times in the last 45 yrs. Only had to fire once but it was a hit.

The time that really sticks out in my mind happened in the early 80's in Anniston, AL. My wife and I had checked into a motel just off I-20 for the night. About 1am, there was a knock on the door and a guy asking me to let him in as he needed to discuss something with me. I advised him I was not opening the door, did not know him and had zero to discuss with him. His knock became a pounding and I called the front desk while putting my wife on the floor on the far side of the bed. The desk advised they had already called the police and then hung up.

I got down on the far side of the bed as well with my S&W model 19 and aimed it across the bed at the door. Just as the idiot kicked the door in while I was identifying myself and saying I was armed, the police pulled in behind him. They caught him about 3 seconds before I was going to fire.

In order for me to not have to drive back over there to testify against the man, the police took a detailed statement from me and had it notarized. I never learned what happened to the man but he was only seconds away from three chest shots.

December 27, 2009, 11:27 AM
So many times in AZ it was ridiculous. Convicted sex offender followed my (ex) wife home, had her drive past the house, and when she stopped, he stopped. When he opened the door I cocked a 357 in his ear, and came within 1/2 ounce of pulling the trigger. He jumped back in the truck and took off, I took out his window (bashed it in). Called the cops and gave them the number, they caught him 2 days later driving up and down my street. He was a convicted sex offender out on parole, and not supposed to be more than 5 miles from his house. Went back for a long time.

Many, many other incidents, from illegal aliens trying to carjack me, attempted robbery by 3 young gangbangers coming out of a Walmart, meth heads trying to extort money out of me at an ATM under the threat of having a 45 shoved in my face, more southern neighbors following me and my current wife out in the desert far from town with mischief on their minds (they had to hear shots from my L1A1 before scattering), punks checking us out while camping. I'm surprised I left there without having to shoot somebody. A good friend of mine killed a drugged up punk that bashed his patio door in at 3am on a Sunday morning. He used his coyote hunting shotgun with 1 7/8 inched of copper plated bb's at point blank range, I saw the aftermath and it was UGLY..:barf:

Semper Paratus
December 27, 2009, 04:07 PM
Yep Twice...Once like Playboy Penguin a pinch play in New Orleans about 1985. No cell phones...Dropped a dime and called the cops and got asked why I didn't shoot the (ethnic slur)?

The next time walking the dog in the early Am (0530) charged by a Doberman Bitch that when I blew up real big and turned on my big voice that I was not a good candidate for chewing. Called the Cops and I got asked to disarm and a lecture about my duty to retreat...I asked the cop how do you effectively retreat from something that appears 30 yards away and can run better than twice as fast. He gave up on that line of lecture. WHen he asked why I was reluctant to disarm I asked him if the dog was confined yet ....his reply was no but I have a gun. I told him I don't know how well he shoots but I know how well I shoot....I complied with his wishes and disarmed.

Ironically I ended up shooting at the range same time he did some time later.....glad he did not have to defend me....

December 27, 2009, 04:28 PM
@Semper, good post.

Mike in VA
December 27, 2009, 06:47 PM
I don't know if this qualifies, but I regularly answer the door with gun in hand or waistband after dark.

There have been a few occasions in the car whe I wasn't carrying on body when things just didn't seem right when I got the H&K out of the console and put it under my thigh 'just in case'. So far, so good, no problems, but as an old Boy Scout, I do believe in "Be prepared".

Gracias, Deo.

January 2, 2010, 08:15 AM
Twice due to a malfunctioning home alarm system. The first time the dog was there to clear first floor for me, the second time I waited until the response unit had checked the outside surfaces. Eventually the bad contact was found and fixed too.

January 31, 2010, 03:08 PM
Wow, there's some scary stuff here.

Definitely going to get my CCW asap. Just ordered my holster.

Props to anyone who saved their own life or someone else's through judicious use of their firearm.

January 31, 2010, 03:22 PM
Yes, many times. Remember, the correct place for a Handgun is in your hand, you can always holster it and you don't have to.

XD Gunner
February 3, 2010, 11:31 PM
I got asked to disarm and a lecture about my duty to retreat...

In Virginia you have "the duty to retreat"?

I've drawn my weapon twice. Once was non-human. I've never fired my Carry on another living thing.

February 4, 2010, 08:08 AM
Law or not - I agree with the "the duty to retreat" gang.

But I also agree that I'd draw fairly quickly until I decided what the threat was.

I've never had to draw, but have put my hand on my gun several times when I ended up not drawing.

Just my .02


February 19, 2010, 11:00 PM
I got a call my business alarm was activated. Dressed and went to check it out with my Glock 27 drawn. Didn't find anything out of order after clearing the building and grounds. Glad it was a false alarm for sure.

February 21, 2010, 10:29 AM
For no apparent reason a crazed drughead followed my brothers and myself into an empty parking lot where he proceded to circle our truck while staring at us. He stopped to open the door and I drew my Glock out of the console. He immediately jumped back in his car and was never seen again.

February 23, 2010, 11:35 AM
Never pulled my gun as a defence piece in the 26 years i have carried.

Shawn Dodson
February 23, 2010, 11:51 AM
During my LEO days, more times than I can count during felony stops, K9 pursuits, and when responding/reacting to violent crimes in progress.

As a private citizen in public - never.

Home defense - I armed myself a handful of times when investigating suspicious/unusual noises and late night knocks at the door.

Don P
February 23, 2010, 05:38 PM
At every IDPA match when the timer goes BEEP

March 5, 2010, 01:59 PM
About a year after I got my CC permit, I was comming home from work at about 4:30 on a Thursday. I live in a college town and there are no shortages of vandalism or intoxicated "young adults" with nothing better to do than start trouble. I have more than one friend who has had their homes broken into; some in my own complex.

On my way to my particular stairwell, I happened to see my blinds moving in my second story window. I know my wife isn't home as she is in class and her car is not in the usual spot.

I continue through the exterior door of my complex and start up the stairs to my apartment landing and I hear my dog barking like CRAZY (he's all of 10 lbs and we crate him when we're not home). I hurry up the stairs and see my door unlocked and open a few inches. It doesn't look forced, but I shut and lock my door EVERY time I come or go without fail.

I unzip my coat and retrieve my Glock 19 from 4:00, push open the door and take cover in the doorway while training down my long entry-hall. I yelled for anyone that was inside to "Come out now" and that "I'm calling the police".

Then our apartment maintenance worker walks around the corner of my living room and goes ghost pale:eek: before explaining to me that he needed to come up to check the fuse box. I reminded him that he was supposed to make an appointment for that, and leave a note on the door explaining that he was in my apartment or that he had previously been.
He quickly appologized and left.

A quick check of our valuables and a complaint with the management ensured proper protocol next time.

...should have called the police from the hallway before entering. 20/20 hindsight.