View Full Version : I say jail time & restitution......opinions??

December 26, 2008, 07:48 PM
The following is from the Florida Fish & Wildlife web site. It's clowns like this that make the rest of us look bad. Jail and restitution. And with modern technology what it is I'd also implant tracking devices in there rear ends and install rotating beacons on their heads................


For immediate release: December 23, 2008
Contact: Joy Hill, FWC, 352-732-1225 or 352-258-3426

T'was the night before Thanksgiving when law enforcement officers from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) got a call about a situation that would turn out to be one of the worst cases of willful and wanton waste of wildlife they had ever seen.

Less than a month later, the State Attorney's Office for the Seventh Judicial Circuit in Flagler County agreed and charged five people, including two juveniles, with more than 50 criminal counts of wildlife law violations, most first-degree misdemeanors.

"This is the largest deer poaching case in Flagler County I've seen in my career with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission," said Capt. Gregg Eason, FWC area supervisor.
Near midnight on Nov. 26, FWC Officer Eric Meade responded to a call at John Campbell Drive off Highway 100 in Flagler County. The property owner had reported four recently shot deer piled up at a hunt camp on his property.

He found the dead deer a little earlier that evening after he and two of his employees had followed fresh tire tracks to the hunt camp. After they found the still-warm deer, he called 911 and drove out to the main road to wait for law enforcement. While they waited, they heard a shot coming from somewhere on the private property.

When FWC Officer Meade and Flagler County Deputy Doug Cottam arrived, they drove out to the hunt camp with the property owner and saw a pile of dead deer stacked up behind a truck, along with two males and a female standing together.

The two males, one a juvenile, said they had shot and killed seven deer on the property beginning at 9 that morning and ending well after dark. They used three different rifles and two spotlights to kill the five yearlings, one doe and one four-point buck that lay before the officers in a mangled pile of flesh and blood. All of the deer were killed illegally, because they were either shot at night with a gun and light or they were antlerless deer.

The suspects also told officers they shot at numerous other deer that night but didn't know how many or if they hit any of the others. And they told officers about other deer they had killed before that night and also outside the law.

Ultimately the two-week investigation which began the night before Thanksgiving, resulted in three additional males, including another juvenile, being charged with more than 50 wildlife law violations.

Below is a list of the adult defendants and the charges they are facing, and the charges against the juveniles.

Tracy G. Coates, 18, DOB 2/4/1990, 26 Lewisdale Lane, Palm Coast, is charged with unlawful taking of antlerless deer; taking deer at night with a gun and light; taking deer by an illegal method; willful and wanton waste of wildlife; contributing to the delinquency of a minor; and taking wildlife from a road right-of-way.

Dalton James Lanich, 18, DOB 6/2/1990, 563 County Road 200, Bunnell, is charged with taking deer at night with a gun and light; and willful and wanton waste of wildlife.

Dustin Sanders, 22, DOB 8/13/1986, 215 Main St., Espanola, is charged with unlawful taking of antlerless deer; taking deer at night with a gun and light; and taking wildlife from a road right-of-way.

In addition to the three adults, two juveniles from Bunnell, ages 17 and 15, were charged with several wildlife law violations including the unlawful taking of antlerless deer; taking deer at night with a gun and light; conspiracy; and willful and wanton waste of wildlife.

The charges all stem from illegal activity from November 2007 through November 2008.

December 26, 2008, 08:00 PM
If they are convicted of poaching, I think the State of FL revokes their hunting rights. I would also add, if FL law does not automatically do it, that they lose their rights to weapons ownership.

Let's hope the juveniles learned a valuable lesson form watching their "adult supervision" get nailed.

December 26, 2008, 09:27 PM
Revoke their hunting rights for life, fine them and jail time. Also confiscate their weapons and vehicles. This is a poaching operation not a guy trying to feed his family, Hang em High!!!

December 26, 2008, 09:37 PM
This is a poaching operation not a guy trying to feed his family

Sounds more like a bunch of disrespectful deviant youth just killin' critters! No they ain't "rednecks" if they act like this.

December 26, 2008, 09:44 PM
Recently, here in Houston, a deer that was in an enclosure was beheaded at night by someone.

Turns out the deer had gored that bast...person three times and he was caught when he went to the hospital for medical attentioon.
The head was found in his freezer.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but finely.

December 26, 2008, 10:24 PM
I won't comment on what I think should happen to them, mainly out of not wanting to offend anyone. My views on this sort of thing are as a general rule uncompromising, but I've learned over the years that not many share my opinions.

Hopefully they'll at least lose all hunting and firearms rights for their lives, though with idiots like that not much is really lost....they'll still do whatever they want regardless. Until REAL punishments are used to deter crime the same people will keep doing the same things with little worry.

December 26, 2008, 10:39 PM
Penalty if convicted?

Give them the max jail time, run it consecutive.:mad:

WildinalaskaitwouldbefeloniesAlaska TM

December 27, 2008, 12:14 AM
To those convicted of poaching ,zero tolerance and maximum punishment should be applied with forfeitures of freedom and possessions to the extent that the loss extremely outweighs the act. To the point that the punishment almost seems ridiculous for the crime.

December 27, 2008, 11:54 PM
Losing hunting rights...Hmmm, lets see...do you need a hunting license to poach? Nope. Restitution would be a better form of punishment. Community service on the property or other Game and Fish land would be a better use of resources.

If we send them to jail, then the tax payers have to pay for these miscreants.

December 28, 2008, 01:05 AM
wpcexpert,good point. Chaingangs are an excellent form of making restitution for crimes commited. Now we just have to convince "bleeding hearts" that think its cruel and unusual punishment:rolleyes:.