View Full Version : My custom Marlin Guide Gun.

Greg Bell
December 17, 2008, 11:42 PM
Hello gents,

Check out my Custom Marlin....

I had Brockman's do a little work on my Guide Gun.

1. Cut to 16 inches.
2. Brockmans front sight.
3. Extended tube
4. Custom engraving (one point to the person who gets the reference).
5. XS rear sight
6. XS rail and Scout optic.

I need a Wild West's Trigger kit...:D






December 17, 2008, 11:47 PM
Contgrats on a BEAUTIFUL lever gun! I'm drooling on the keyboard as I speak. I gotta ask, how does it shoot? also, what caliber is it? 45-70, perhaps?

Greg Bell
December 18, 2008, 12:05 AM

When it was 18 inches it shot great. I will shoot it on Sunday to rezero. It is 45-70.

December 18, 2008, 07:09 AM
very nice!:cool:

who is this Brockman you refer to?


Magnum Wheel Man
December 18, 2008, 08:03 AM
awesome looking gun... I just started working on mine this winter... 1st mod on mine is a Wild West Guns big loop lever( got to have a lever big enough for my big hams with a pair of gloves on )... they should have the next batch done soon... send Wildalaska a P.M. for forum price if interested

the extended magazine interests me alot... how many rounds does it hold??? ( one or two extra ??? )

mine has a fiber optic front sight now, & I think I want a Williams fiber optic ghost ring for a rear sight...

this is that Williams rear sight...


Magnum Wheel Man
December 18, 2008, 08:27 AM
BTW... have you thought about the extra dove tail slot from the stock mag tube??? theymake dove tail fillers to fill that gap... personally I'd try to do some type of 2nd tube support so the slot is still functional, & not just covered up...

BTW #2... no eye deer what the latin says, but it definately adds a touch of class

Greg Bell
December 18, 2008, 12:30 PM
I have been considering what to do with the slot. They really don't make a matching filler. Perhaps I could just cut down a Marlin support? Or maybe make a custom picatinny mount? Nah.

December 18, 2008, 12:51 PM
Looks great Greg Bell!
I did mine a year or so ago, one of my favorite shooters!

Here is my wright up.


Magnum Wheel Man
December 18, 2008, 02:08 PM
when I get to finishing off... I'm going to add one of these butt cuffs... what do you think ???


Magnum Wheel Man
December 18, 2008, 02:15 PM
many years ago... before this was that popular, I converted a Marlin 44 mag to 50 A.E. the magazine holds between 12 & 14 rounds depending on how big a bullet is used... lota big bore fire power...;)

looks stock until you are looking down the barrel...



Greg Bell
December 18, 2008, 04:07 PM

Very nice! I also like the butt cuffs. I have a cheap nylon slip on bullet holder now, but am considering one like you linked.


I love that gun! Your article is what inspired me to cut mine instead of lengthening it to meet the 18. The 16 just looks too damn handy.

Greg Bell
December 18, 2008, 08:49 PM
Called Brockman's and they are sending me a blank!

December 18, 2008, 09:12 PM
Don't forget a Wild West "bear proof" one-piece extractor !!

Great forum if your not there already.


The Terminator
December 18, 2008, 09:29 PM
It looks good! My favorite rifle, my favorite round, my favorite finish. It has it all. Now that I am shooting not-quite-full-power handloads, I'm putting a regular scope back on mine. A 3x9x32, I don't like for the scope to be real large on a lever action.


December 18, 2008, 10:42 PM
Love to hear how it shoots after being cut down to 16''.

Is that legal in PA? I may have to get it done myself.

How much were all those mods together?

I own the same gun and I need to throw a new sight system on it. That williams rear sight looks great but I need something florescent on the front for shooting black bear.

December 19, 2008, 05:01 AM
dang guys. I WAS fairly happy with my marlin 336 the way it came from the factory. now, not so much.

ah who am I kidding I'm never happy with anything "as is"

Magnum Wheel Man
December 19, 2008, 08:03 AM
GOCART... did yours come with a regular bead front sight ??? mine is one of the stainless ported shorter :o I guess I'm not sure of the length... maybe 18" barrels??? & came from the factory with a lime green fiber optic front sight, & regular iron buck horn rear sights... if there is a problem with the heights of the sights not working together, etc. I can order a Williams front fiber optic sight to go with the fiber optic ghost ring rear sight from them...

GREG... your rifle looks awesome the way it is... I didn't mean to sound like you needed to do anything else to it... I just personally want the big loop lever, & happened to notice the extra dove tail...

ROGER... you are right on the extractor too... I should order one from WILD when they get the next batch of levers done... which is what I'm waiting on right now...

December 19, 2008, 10:22 AM
If you have not gotten the Happy trigger from Wild west it is a must! The 1st time I shot with it I almost had an AD it was so good. I have a blued ported older model and it is a shooter. One big hole with 5 rounds at 75 yards. At 150 it keeps them all inside 4" from the kneeling Pos. I don't bench it very much(LOL).

As far as reloading for it, I like the HardCast 420gr WFN bullets and 300 gr FP cast. I use win brass, CCI 200 primers and a stout load of either Varget, 335 or RL7. So far it has one shot stopped 3 deer, 8 hogs, 2 yotes and a Bobcat. The Bobcat was a mess after the 300 grainer went through it.

I can shoot in by back yard and I was shooting it out of my tree stand one day when my wife was home. She came outside because she thought I had blown myself up:eek: I told her no such luck:D

Have a good time with your "New" GG they are great guns. Brockman does very good work.

December 19, 2008, 10:41 AM
The rear sight looks crooked. Is it?

Third picture in your post. It looks very crooked.

December 19, 2008, 10:56 AM
Sry I don't have pics available...

my GG is standard factory in every way. came with standard black front blade sight and rear sight is all black as well. It is essentially useless for quick aiming and I am definitely getting a peep on it before next year's BLACK bear season.

That brockman's Gen III peep sight looks great but I need fiber optics on the front sight if I am shooting black bear. If the front sight blade is all black it is almost impossible to sight quickly on a BLACK bear.

Aside from the sights the gun is amazing. The 45-70 is a powerhouse and I may flinch a bit when I pull the trigger but i am always happy with the result. So you know what I mean, If you have a 45-70 just shoot a good piece of firewood if you are in a need of a laugh.

Anybody know how the gun shoots with a 16'' barrel?

And what was the total cost of the rig first posted?

Greg Bell
December 19, 2008, 11:57 AM
Hey guys,

The rear sight is straight. There really isn't any way to make it crooked.

The Brockman's front sight is threaded in so I guess you can put fiber optics or tritium. I run a Scout optic so my sights are purely backup. I might put some luminescent paint on the front post.

The cost for the work was...

Cut and recrown barrel 75
extended mag tube and install 115
Front sight with ears 79.

December 19, 2008, 11:59 AM
Is it an anagram for I! Tego arcana Dei, which translates to "Begone! I keep God's secrets"?

Just went on a Wiki adventure on that one. Let me know if I am way off...AND what the cost of that opening rig was!:)

Or is it a reference to Anthony Powell's novel The Fisher King, which has a character translate the sense of the phrase as "Death rules even in Arcadia."

Greg Bell
December 19, 2008, 12:06 PM

The second is partially correct so you get the point! It is a reference to Judge Holden's rifle in "Blood Meridian." He had it engraved on his rifle.

I have had the rifle for a while, and have added the peeps and scout rail at different times. The XS stuff was nice. And I only got the Brockman's front because I liked the idea of the protective wings. So, I really don't know how much the whole rig cost. But, you could get an idea...

1. Marlin Guide Gun.
2. XS sights and scout rail.
3. Leupold Scout Scope (around $240)
4. Shorten barrel and extend tube. $190

December 19, 2008, 12:12 PM
Prioir of Sion reference?

December 19, 2008, 12:20 PM
NICE gun!
I want to do something special with a .45-70 eventually.

"Et in Arcadia ego"
Oh MAN, right back to both latin and art appreciation classes way back when.
(I'm studiously avoiding google-cheating so if I'm not quite right on this be forgiving)

If I recall correctly it was a reference to Death saying "Even in Arcadia <paradise> I exist". Damned if I can remember the painting though.

(EDIT: Darnit, GoCart hit it while I was thinking. Gotta get the re-memory running faster <grin>)

Greg Bell
December 19, 2008, 12:39 PM
You guys are good.

Judge Holden was basically death (or war, or maybe the devil) incarnate. And at one point a character notes that when they met him he was sitting on a rock in the middle of the desert. All he had was a possibles bag and a rifle with the inscription "Et in Arcadia Ego." For those who haven't read it, it is probably the best modern American novel written--but man is it bloody.

December 19, 2008, 12:43 PM
whats ammo capacity with the extension?

Greg Bell
December 20, 2008, 12:33 AM

December 20, 2008, 06:33 AM
Guide Guns are habit forming and you might buy another one.

December 20, 2008, 07:17 AM
"Don't forget a Wild West "bear proof" one-piece extractor !!"
It's actually an ejector, a one piece unit that is stronger/more reliable than the factory ejector.

To the O.P... Nice lookin' boomer. You should give a range report. Do you own a chronograph? Do you hand load?

Before buying the Wild West trigger, check with your local gunsmith about a trigger job. Mine was pretty cost effective and I am very impressed with the trigger compared to how it came from the factory.

When I become more adept at camera/computer work I'll post a pic of mine... Although it looks all factory minus the XS sights. I posted a little info about mine in the hunting forum titled "Kodiak Island Hunt Report" or something similar... Here is what I've done to mine.

- Marlin 1895 GS 45-70 govt w/
- XS sight systems Ghost ring sights.... .191" I.D aperture
- Wild West "Bear Proof Ejector"
- Trigger cleaned and lightened to 3.5#
- Action cleaned and smoothed
-Pachmeyer decelerator recoil pad (forgot to add this in the original post)

December 20, 2008, 08:27 AM
where's Brockman located?



Greg Bell
December 20, 2008, 06:14 PM

December 20, 2008, 07:43 PM
nice rifle! i want to get a big bore lever action rifle! the one i want might fall under NFA rules tho as i want one with the buttstock missing. seems i either dreamed about one or saw one in a obscure move that was missing the buttstock and it looked col as all get out!

December 20, 2008, 08:41 PM
nice rifle! i want to get a big bore lever action rifle! the one i want might fall under NFA rules tho as i want one with the buttstock missing. seems i either dreamed about one or saw one in a obscure move that was missing the buttstock and it looked col as all get out!

you can get a "mare's leg" wich is what I believe you're thinking of. they are registered as pistols so they do not require a tax stamp
something,like this:


December 20, 2008, 08:51 PM
and whats the point of that exactly?

Greg Bell
December 20, 2008, 09:36 PM
I believe the point of that is awesomeness.

December 20, 2008, 09:40 PM
I believe the point of that is awesomeness.

I conquer

Deaf Smith
December 20, 2008, 10:16 PM
Looks like a real nice rifle that Guide Gun, but suspect that 16 inch .45/70, with full loads, kicks a mite.

Greg Bell
December 21, 2008, 01:12 AM
Bah, recoil is good for you!:D

December 21, 2008, 03:29 AM
These custom lever guns are killing me (in a very good way :D ) I'm going to have to build one now.

I've already got a scoped 30-30. It needs a buddy!

December 21, 2008, 04:47 AM
you can get a "mare's leg" wich is what I believe you're thinking of. they are registered as pistols so they do not require a tax stamp

very col! where can i find one? bet that would be a "blast" to shoot!

December 21, 2008, 05:10 AM
How much velocity do you lose by cutting back those 2 inches? They look very cool like that, I was just wondering if the velocity loss is significant and also how accuracy is affected at distance. The .45-70 Guide Gun is on my wish list.

Greg Bell
December 21, 2008, 10:24 PM
Got to shoot it today. Shot great. The elevation went screwy with the new front sight but it was way too windy to tinker. I was pleasantly surprised that the optic returned to zero almost perfectly.

December 22, 2008, 12:11 PM
Great lookin' rifle, well done!

December 22, 2008, 12:31 PM
whats ammo capacity with the extension?
That is what I want to know also. :)

December 22, 2008, 12:54 PM
I've been wondering that myself. though I'd imagine only one extra round

December 22, 2008, 01:20 PM
Literally: And I'm in Arcadia...

From Wikipedia: The phrase is a memento mori, usually interpreted as "Even in Arcadia I exist", as if spoken by personified Death.

And, nice looking Marlin.

December 22, 2008, 02:01 PM

thats what i want

December 22, 2008, 09:48 PM
Great Gun, I have the same one, same scope but 18" barrel, took a nice whitetail at 122yds this year. btw what's the name of that book?

Greg Bell
December 22, 2008, 11:17 PM
+1 capacity

The book is "Blood Meridian." An amazing, but difficult, book.