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gnome
January 21, 2008, 05:50 AM
This is a M1914? but how can I find out it's origin? I have seen many photos of others but this one is slightly different and with belt holster. The difference with this is that it is stamped D.R.P.u.A.P after the Cal 7,65, also has 324 stamped twice and the holster has an unusual long tassel. I know it is European and most likely German (guessing). Can anyone tell me is this WWI? or pre WWII? Anything special about this I am missing?

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Tamara
January 21, 2008, 06:43 AM
D.R.P.u.A.P. = "Deutsch Reichs patenten und andere patenten" (German Patents and Other Patents.) The holster doesn't look standard issue; someone probably had it made for their gun.

SDC
January 21, 2008, 06:53 AM
Definitely German, and these pistols were made between 1914 and the early 30s; a closer shot of the proof marks on the pistol might let us date it, but it looks to be a standard commercial pistol.

Scorch
January 21, 2008, 04:28 PM
It's probably not a military pistol. Military issue weapons were standardized well before WW I, although some higher-ranking military officers provided their own weapons. My guess (due to the model and caliber) it's either a civilian pistol or a police pistol.

gnome
January 21, 2008, 05:48 PM
Found this last stamp with the crown? had to break out the magnifying glass.

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James K
January 21, 2008, 06:38 PM
It certainly German, made by Mauser at Oberndorf a/N. It is not a Model 1914, it is the so-called "New Model" (Neues Modell), or Model 1934. The main difference is in the shape of the grip, which is curved rather than the straight grip of the Model 1914. The serial number is a puzzler; the Model 1934 serials took up where the Model 1914 left off, at about 525000, so a three digit serial number is odd. The full serial number should be on the left side of the slide, toward the front. If it is the same (324) then you would seem to have an oddity.

FWIW, the bluing looks like that used by Mauser in the late 1930's, and I see no reason to think the gun has been worked over.

Jim

gnome
January 21, 2008, 06:49 PM
Jim Keenan

Thanks, the 324 marking is on twice. once up under the trigger and on the tail offset a bit.
But... it does have the serial # its a 55xxxx. in the usual spot

I'm guessing the 324 stamp was for some other use.

James K
January 21, 2008, 07:05 PM
I don't have a 1934, but on my 1914's the full serial is stamped on the back in that location. The three-digit number may have been a property mark (police?) of some sort. The gun apparently is civilian, there is no sign of military markings.

Jim