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December 20, 2007, 02:21 PM
Hello fellow gun people.
I am trying to find out if anyone has actually had any experience with the High-Standard Model 10-B Police Shotgun? I did use one back in the days of my L.E. I used and still have both of the ones that I used. One was the standard type model, complete with the fold-down front sight, folding carrying handle, and the rare factory flashlight with the factory mount. The other one was one of the even scarcer models, that had the same front sight, the same flashlight and mount, but it also had the very rare, extended magazine tube that goes the full length of the barrel.
I was just interested if anyone else ever was ever able to get to handle, use, or even owns one of them, and what their opinion was about them. These guns came from the 1970's era, and are very difficult to find, due to such low amount of the number that where manufactured. Any comments, feedback, etc. will be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot!
December 20, 2007, 04:35 PM
I own one, as did a friend of mine. Somewhere there is a picture of me shooting ten pepper-poppers with two 10-b's on outstretched arms in the dark..fun! It was fast on banks of five poppers since the recoil, while stiff, was straight back. Once you got used to shooting with the light you could sweep a set of five poppers down very quickly, as the light was nearly perfectly centered in the sight picture. Reloads are slow...
They had quite a following in NorCal law enforcement circles up until the late
70's, which is why you used to see so many used ones for sale around here.
I've taken it to the sporting clays course as well. It's handling leaves something to be desired for the fast passing targets, but for the springing teal and so on, it did pretty well. It *barely* functions with Winchester AA+, and prefers hot ammo. You definitely get the stares from the Perazzi crowd. I did better with a stock 870 that I borrowed.
I have to say the interior of that receiver is full of more razor-sharp corners than any other shotgun I've ever used, though. My thumb was bloody after that day..Mine is a rough enough example that I'll dehorn it when I get some time.
All told, it was a great concept, just not great execution. Too bad it wasnt built on an 1100. High Standard shotguns werent exactly the gold standard of pump and semi shotguns.
Somewhere I have the email address of the guy who made a run of extended mag tubes in the 90's for them. Choate never did respond to my mail in the late 80's regarding extensions.
December 21, 2007, 02:50 PM
Hi, some years back, Kimel Industries, did make a tactical, pistol grip Rem. 1100. I was never lucky enough to lay my hands on one of the though. It took a lot of work to get a Rem. 1100, to be able to use a pistol grip stock. This is due to the recoil/action springs are actually internal in the buttstock. I still have some of the ads from some vintage Shotgun News. I always thought that the pistol grip concept on a Rem. 1100 would be great. Back to the 10-B shotguns, several years ago, I did find quite a lot of info on the development of the HS 10 series shotguns. I also found out that there were only a handful of the 10-B guns that had a factory extended magazine tube, primarily used for testing and such, with very few actually hitting the public/LE market.
December 21, 2007, 04:44 PM
I actually have (somewhere) a writeup of the Kimmel PG-only 1100. It may have been in Combat Handguns(?) and I'd guess it was in '85 or thereabouts. I'm not a big fan of PG only shotguns, but I'll admit it had a certain cool-factor.
At the same sporting clays course I got to use a guys 1100 that was totally tricked out for 3-gun, and it was the softest shooting shotgun I've ever shot; it was ported, had a 26" bbl with an extension, some trigger work, and the huge 1-piece carrier that made loading the tube a bit easier. THAT was a sweet shotgun. The same guy loaned me an original Super-X that I really took a liking to. I can see how people really got into the Super-X.
Remember the old "Hardtimes Armory" ads from Shotgun News with the guy sitting with a gasmask and a 10-A?
December 21, 2007, 09:10 PM
Another old guy that used one 'on the job ' in the 70s. Funny thing is they seemed to WORK, looking back. They really are NOT PG only guns IMHO.:)
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