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2cooltoolz
October 31, 2007, 03:55 AM
I have a weakness for the .22 WMR. Not an engineer, I understand there are probs with 22 mag auto's (don't get it). SOMEBODY (Beretta) give me a sub compact 22 mag (Bobcat 22 mag) and I will invest my retirement in your stock!!!
I own a (junk) .25 auto, a (not junk) Seecamp .32, two J-frame 38's and some larger caliber pocket (and not-pocket) autos (.45's...)
Data compiled from Winchester Website:

Winchester
Cartridge ..............Grains..........Muzzle velocity............ Muzzle Energy
22LR HP
Super-X.................40............1085fps...........................105 ft. lbs.
22 WMR
Super-X.................40............1480fps............................195ft.lbs
25ACP
Super-X................ 45..............815fps.......................... 66 ft. lbs.
32 ACP
Silvertip..................60..............970fps..........................125 ft.lbs.


Get busy Beretta!!!

RJay
October 31, 2007, 08:41 AM
:confused: You will never see a compact .22 Magnum automatic:rolleyes:

2cooltoolz
November 4, 2007, 01:16 AM
Thank you for your thoroughly researched and erudite response. I shall now forever give up any hope of ever seeing a compact 22 mag auto, just as I finally gave up on ever seeing a 22 mag 10/22. It's just impossible, like landing a man on the moon.

DPris
November 4, 2007, 01:53 AM
Well, when he's right, he's right. And RJ's right. :)
Denis

Manedwolf
November 4, 2007, 02:06 AM
And what barrel length was that velocity from?

Bill DeShivs
November 4, 2007, 02:10 AM
Look at the length of the .22 mag. Too long-feeding problems. Gun would have to be too big. Not a lot of velocity from a short barrel.

Niantician
November 4, 2007, 05:18 AM
Aren't 22mags loaded with a slower burnig powder designed for rifles? You would likely have to cut about a third off those stats if shot from a 3 inch barrel. I used to have a rimfire semi, and it was a fun plinking gun but thats all it was.

pistolet1
November 4, 2007, 11:43 AM
I think AMT made a compact version of their Automag II in .22 Magnum. The full size model had a 6" barrel and held 10 rounds. The compact version had a 3 or 3 1/2" barrel, and maybe a smaller frame holding 6 or 7 rounds. Not sure about that, but I do remember seeing them at gun shows, etc. Made in the late '80's through the early '90's. Probably as close as you're going to get to a small .22mag pistol.

Bill DeShivs
November 4, 2007, 01:20 PM
Grendel made a 30 shot .22 WRM pistol. It is about the same size as a 1911.

gordo b.
November 4, 2007, 09:06 PM
Had the Grendel, Had the Automag, both are full sized. The High Standard Derringer is about what you want I think if you can settle for 2 reliable shots. The 2 pistols named at first were not reliable for me.The Grendel was fun when it worked!

2cooltoolz
November 6, 2007, 04:51 PM
Just the part about barrel length:

Per the NAA website, using a Black Widow and Guardians, same ammo as above:

Winchester
Cartridge .........Grains.......Muzzle velocity..... Muzzle Energy.....Bbl Lngth
22LR HP
Super-X............40............833fps....................61.6 lb.ft.............2"
22 WMR
Super-X............40............1060fps...................99.8ft lb.ft..........2"
32 ACP
Silvertip............60..............805fps...................86 ft.lbs...aprox 2 1/2"

The .380 is a significant step up, by the way:
380 ACP
Silvertip............85.............825fps..................128.5 lb.ft..........2.49"

But my fantasy was based on Beretta since Seecamp (I carry the LWS32) doesn't build rimfires. That Seecamp 380 is looking mighty nice, though!!