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daddySEAL
September 13, 2007, 03:22 PM
I have read the love people have for their 1911s and swear they are as accurate as hell in competition, etc., But PLEASE besides that gun, what has been the absolutely most consistantly accurate semi-auto you've owned.
(please no revolver suggestions either, I'm only speeking of auto-loaders only).

I Know that excellent cleaning and maintainance is required for consistance, but THAT presumed to be the case for the gun of you will suggest as the most accurate in skilled hands....what/which would you all say are your Top 2 choices in accuracy, please?

(and do any come in my favorite, .40 caliber?)

xrocket
September 13, 2007, 03:45 PM
Stock, out of the box with zero work or enhancements .... that would be a Sig 229 in 357sig. You can shoot in double action or single action and it has a de-cocker to boot.

Works for me.

Oh and you can shoot it in either your favorite .40S&W or .357sig simply by changing the barrel. Same mags work either way too.

dwatts47
September 13, 2007, 03:47 PM
I have found that my HK usp v1 in C&L is just as accurate as anything that I've ever shot, in match or otherwise. In all fairness though, I don't shoot it this way 5% of the time, and after I get a new pistol and check its group at 25yrds, I never fire it from a 'true' rest at that distance again.

Also, give me the best SA gun out there... then give Rob Leatham the least accurate SA gun out there, and he's still gonna make it look like I've never even handled a gun before.

mattro
September 13, 2007, 03:48 PM
the SA XD subcompact 9mm was suprisingly accurate.

Almost any of these modern sa with ammo they like are capable of more accuracy than most shooters are.

dwatts47
September 13, 2007, 03:50 PM
.357 sig is the more accurate in the 229 . IMHO

IdahoG36
September 13, 2007, 03:50 PM
I shot one of the Sig 220 SA, and it was very accurate.

dwatts47
September 13, 2007, 03:58 PM
Please forgive my misunderstanding the OP.

If we're looking for most accurate Semi Auto other than most accurate non -1911 Single action... I must then change my vote to SiG 220.

Alnamvet
September 13, 2007, 04:09 PM
...Glock 37 & 38...

IanS
September 13, 2007, 04:55 PM
Best SAO picks in a NON-1911.

SIG P210
SIG Sauer X5 (comes in .40 S&W and 9mm) and P220 Match SAO

S&W 945 (hybrid 1911 by their Performance Center)
S&W 952

HK P7

Do not fear the 1911 if you haven't tried one yet. Its nowhere near as ill mannered as some claim. Look into a Les Baer Premier II or TRS for under $2000.

Officer's Match
September 13, 2007, 05:34 PM
The Glock 30 is amazingly accurate, especially so for a "combat" pistol that chambers extremely reliably.

IdahoG36
September 13, 2007, 05:37 PM
SIG P210
Good choice. I would love to have one, it just doesn't fit into my budget just yet.:(
Here's a pic of a Novak Custom P210.
http://www.novaksights.com/images/GUNS/sig/sig0467.jpg

Officer's Match
September 13, 2007, 05:46 PM
Wow, 12 posts and no CZ75...OK, I'll be the first - CZ75.

Golddog
September 13, 2007, 06:21 PM
1) H&K P7 PSP - the fixed barrel makes it astonishingly accurate and it points perfectly; great sights

2) CZ 75B SA or DA/SA cocked and locked - maybe a touch behind the P7 in accuracy, maybe not, but much easier manual of arms for most of us (the squeeze cocker requires serious attention, at least at first, and the wrong-way heel mag release doesn't cut it for me), and the CZ's easier to take down, regardless of what you read.

daddySEAL
September 13, 2007, 07:06 PM
What about the Steyr M40A-1 ?

I already own one(and a CZ75B), but was wondering how the Steyr stacked up.
(as I think I mentioned, I'm into .40 caliber pistols for reloading)
I guess I should have mentioned that I can't really afford HKs or big Sigs.
I have a little Sip P239 too(to carry), but it's the most I could ever pay.

I was looking for a non-1911 new one that was a nail-driver, but guess there aren't any in the mid-price range.

I'm trying to save up for a Grand Power K100 Mark 6 when they come to US in .40

Wildalaska
September 13, 2007, 07:16 PM
SIG 210 and HK P7 are the best out of the box.

WildeverythingelseianalsoranAlaska TM

Trapp
September 13, 2007, 07:59 PM
CZ97.

most accurate 45 I've shot. Not too mention the $400 price tag was nice..

kristop64089
September 13, 2007, 08:05 PM
cz 75

ActivShootr
September 13, 2007, 08:06 PM
Ruger MkII

RevolverLover
September 13, 2007, 08:25 PM
The BHP.

Socrates
September 13, 2007, 08:46 PM
S&w 41 Comes To Mind...

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ZeSpectre
September 13, 2007, 08:54 PM
SIG 229 followed closely by CZ-75B

newerguy
September 13, 2007, 08:56 PM
The most accurate pistols are probably found in Bullseye competition, where most, but not all centerfire shooters are using custom built or modified autos, generally 1911 variants in .45 caliber. Out of the box, .45 will serve well in the regular skill levels. I used to shoot with a guy who was shooting Distingushed Expert (50 ft. Indoor) at the end of his first full year shooting bullseye, with a stock Rock Island 1911, and a Springfield with a red dot.


The Sig 210 is hard to beat. For serious target shooting, I'm not sure a Sig 220 is going to be good enough. I've never shot one, but I've shot a lot out of a 226, which was a really nice pistol that just didn't fit my girlish hands, but was not a target pistol.

I've seen Bullseye guys (my club's indoor range is used pretty exclusively by 50 Bullseye shooters plus me, who is either shooting a DA revolver or my compact 9mm) shot very well with the new Smith 1991's. I'm not sure if you don't want a 1911, or you just don't want the "1911's are the best" responses.

The most of the most accurate centerfire pistols are .45's. There's nothing magic about that round. I've seen guy's with 9mm's that were outshooting top of the line .45's. The reason is that the most accurate pistols are used in Bullseye shooting, and a full Bullseye match will have a course of fire in .22, one in centerfire, and one in .45 or larger, and the .45 guys can shoot their .45 in both the centerfire and the .45 rounds. So, almost all of them shoot .45 ACPs (although, there are some .38 specials, 9mms, and even .38 revolvers (the match was originally though of as letting police officers shoot their .38's and military shoot their .45's, but now you supposedly only see revolvers in dedicated revolver matches).

Sorry, back to accurate SA pistols. Wikipedia says the the civilian MK 23 (HK) is supposed to shoot 4 minute of angle, but that doesn't beat the custom target pistols. It's certainly more than enough for combat.

It still seems the nice .22's are the best in accuracy (Ruger's, the Browning Buckmark, Hamerllis [sp]), all of which are SA.

easyG
September 13, 2007, 10:07 PM
Does this answer your question?:)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/watches809.jpg

MPanova
September 13, 2007, 10:11 PM
Taurus 24/7 Pro 45acp

I got groups like this from day one and I still get groups like this 9700 rounds later. It has also been 100% flawless

12 shots of Blazer Brass FMJ at 14 yards off hand,I am no expert either.


http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/gallery/122_15_01_07_5_34_12.jpg

Wildalaska
September 13, 2007, 10:29 PM
I mean I know we are not supposed to have mine is bigger than yours stuff, but Mpanova and any others with their favs, are you seriously contending that out of a Ransom rest you're goona beat a SIG 210 or a HK P7.

A taurus to boot?

This calls for a test! Postal match! Whose got the 210?

WildletsdoitAlaska TM

FirstFreedom
September 13, 2007, 10:45 PM
1) H&K P7 PSP - the fixed barrel makes it astonishingly accurate and it points perfectly; great sights

2) CZ 75B SA or DA/SA cocked and locked - maybe a touch behind the P7 in accuracy, maybe not, but much easier manual of arms for most of us (the squeeze cocker requires serious attention, at least at first, and the wrong-way heel mag release doesn't cut it for me), and the CZ's easier to take down, regardless of what you read.

+1 to that - nuff said!

MPanova
September 13, 2007, 11:53 PM
Wild

The 24/7 is the most accurate I own or have shot. So ya I am going to say IMO it is the most accurate. Like everyone else who has posted it is just an opinion. Untill you take all of the hand guns made and test them in a vice with the only variable being the gun, all we can do is speculate. You say its a p7 or 210 or what ever and I say its the 24/7. Both of which are just our opinions anyway

hoytinak
September 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
Most accurate I own is my HK P7.

Wildalaska
September 14, 2007, 12:04 AM
Mpan..

See Hoytinak's post below.

WildhewinsAlaska TM

daddySEAL
September 14, 2007, 07:50 AM
the HK97 looks unique(I like "unique" looking/operating pistols)), interesting and good, I wish I could afford it....and it came in .40 S&W !

Looks like the concensis is between HKs, Sigs and CZs so far.

Ranger61
September 14, 2007, 08:44 AM
Every time this question comes up you always get the same three guns: Sig 210, HK P7, and the CZ 75. Unhappily I don't own any of those but my most accurate centerfire semiauto is a Hammerli 280 in 32 S&W. :D It's amazing how easy it is to shoot good groups with that gun. Daddy seal was asking about Steyr 40s and I've gotten good groups but not great but my M9 with handloaded RCBS truncated cone bullets has shot some excellent groups. In 45 my go to guns are a 1984 vintage Michigan Armaments custom combat 1911 and a Firestar 45. The firestar forced me to sell a series 70 Colt gold cup that would never group as well as the firestar. :confused: I think its clear that some makes have a better chance of finding a GOODEN then others but my M9 shows that some guns just need to be fed the right ammo to have superior accuracy, and the firestar shows that even a cheap gun can sometimes end shooting much better than it has any right to.

daddySEAL
September 14, 2007, 12:06 PM
What brand and weight bullets were you using in your Steyr 40?
Had you tried different brands and weights?

(do you think the truncated shape of your M9 reloads had anything to do with those being more accurate?...tried factory 9mm with same good, but not great accuracy results, please?)

Socrates
September 14, 2007, 12:24 PM
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Freedom_97-22/Mvc-020f-sm.jpg
100-yard groups, fired in a strong crosswind, averaged 1" or less with the .22LR Match cylinder. Groups fired with the standard .22LR cylinder and the .22 Magnum cylinder were no less a testament to the jaw-dropping accuracy of the Freedom Arms Model 97 .22.

rellascout
September 14, 2007, 12:40 PM
The Sig P210 hands down. Might actually prefer it to the 1911.

:eek:

Just don't have that kind of money. Just love that Novak pic.

http://www.novaksights.com/images/GUNS/sig/sig0467.jpg

DoItRight
September 14, 2007, 12:49 PM
I have heard nothing but great things about the S&W 945. So much so that I decided to put this one on lay-away ...

http://www.dixontech.com/naba/945.jpg

saltpepperPA
September 14, 2007, 12:56 PM
I've shot the Sig P210. It's a good shot, and should live up to what you're looking for.

chris in va
September 14, 2007, 12:56 PM
I'm sorry, but the only true way to test accuracy is by putting a firearm in a Ransom Rest or similar.

rellascout
September 14, 2007, 01:01 PM
I have heard nothing but great things about the S&W 945. So much so that I decided to put this one on lay-away ...

http://www.dixontech.com/naba/945.jpg

Great pic and great gun!!!

daddySEAL
September 14, 2007, 05:23 PM
No need to be sorry, chris in va.

Are there any tests results of that for a number of best candidate pistols on-line?

Peter M. Eick
September 14, 2007, 06:57 PM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/210x2.jpg

Sig 210's easily. Most 1911's could only hope for as good out of the box triggers and actions.

daddySEAL
September 15, 2007, 01:12 PM
Why did they quit making the P221 ?
Is anything else comperable still made?

Ranger61
September 15, 2007, 05:22 PM
Socrates; Super group from that FA!!! :D daddySeal ; I haven't been working with the 40 as much since its silhouette season here in Minnesota. I have found that usually my most accurate loads are cast bullet loads using RCBS molds. I had the 9mm mold from the early 80s and dusted it off and cast up a couple hundred to try out and they worked great but I don't have a mold for 40 yet. Thats more of a winter project! My most accurate 40 is a Smith & Wesson performance center PC40. Its got a great trigger and Bomar sights ands shoots very well but I need to do more load developement to find how accurate it can be. :)

Socrates
September 15, 2007, 05:51 PM
Ranger:

I forgot to post the link for that.

http://www.gunblast.com/Freedom_97-22.htm

I'm that good, but with a rifle.:o

Here's my new 252, but, I haven't rung it out yet:

http://i45.invalid-sanitized.localhost/albums/f99/Socrates28/2523YES.jpg

http://i45.invalid-sanitized.localhost/albums/f99/Socrates28/2521.jpg

Sorry about the poor posting on my part.

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daddySEAL
September 16, 2007, 11:35 AM
thanks Socrates,
I initially posted and am still trying to not include revolvers, please (only .40 cal. autoloaders).

Are Sig P221s still available?

rampage841512
September 16, 2007, 11:40 AM
Believe it or not, the most accurate next to the 'gun that must not be mentioned' is this old, rust pitted Bersa .32 my grandfather gave me. Damn thing jams after about thirty rounds without fail, but I can shoot as well one handed with it as I can two handed with the other. I was impressed and decided to keep it even though I'd never want it for SD purposes since I can't trust the thing.

My HK P2000sk does pretty good too.

GeorgeF
September 17, 2007, 12:35 PM
Does a stocked Mauser C96 count? Got great accuracy with that. I'm sure it would be amazing if it had something better than those terrible sights too. Wonder if anyone ever made a project out of one and put custom sights on?

Otherwise I am in same boat voting for the Sig 210 and the HK PSP (thanks Wild). Both shot so well they made up for my 'adequate' skill. I would wonder what they would do in the hands of a real pistolero.

Cremon
September 17, 2007, 01:19 PM
My old Desert Eagle 44 magnum was the most accurate for me.

BigJimP
September 17, 2007, 01:31 PM
Most accurate, non 1911, I have is the SIG 226 X-Five SAO.

It's a very good gun - adjustable trigger, etc - mine is a .40 but it's also available in 9mm .

daddySEAL
September 22, 2007, 04:36 PM
Again....so many good comments about the Sig 210 make me wonder why the don't make them any more...But more, about IF they make a new model comparable/similar to it.

Anyone, Please?

Socrates
September 22, 2007, 04:41 PM
SIG 226 X-Five

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darrentxs
September 22, 2007, 05:02 PM
BHP, CZ-75B, CZ-97B, Para Ordnance P-13 & P14, in no particular order. I've not fired a Sig but trust their reputation.