PDA

View Full Version : Colt Defender - short range report


JGIORD
September 9, 2007, 04:16 PM
I picked up a Colt Defender and took it for its inaugural trip to the range today. 270 rounds later, not a single problem. The gun functioned flawlessly. I shot 50 rounds of American Eagle FMJ and 200 rounds of WWB FMJ as well as 20 rounds of Federal Hydra Shok.

This gun really does kick like a mule. Its much stronger than my previous S&W commander scandium, but it doesn't have quite the same sting to it. I believe the rubber grips definitely absorb a lot of the sting. I can tolerate the kick without my hands hurting, whereas the sting I got from the S&W was too uncomfortable after a few mags. And this size is much easier for me to carry.

This gun is extremely accurate, better than I could ever shoot. Much more accurate than my G26, but I still prefer shooting my baby Glock :D

I did have a problem reassembling the gun. The recoil spring and lever pin were causing me a problem. Took a while before I was finally able to get the pin back in.

I remember reading someone else having this problem, but don't believe anyone provided any tips or advice and now I can't find the thread.

Any secrets to easily get this thing back together?

Overall I'm very pleased with this gun and I'm glad it had no misfeeds or problems right out of the box. Now I just need to find a decent IWB holster for it.

michael t
September 10, 2007, 01:01 AM
I love my Defender I don't belive recoil and more that a LTW Commander.
Carry ammo should be 185 range as that seems to work best
See PM As for holster http://ubgholsters.com he made mine But as a member of BT you already know about his work.

sholling
September 10, 2007, 02:48 AM
Hydra-Shoks (my old standby) are getting a bit dated and don't do well when fired through heavy clothing. In tests (http://www.brassfetcher.com/45ACP.html) the tip fills up and they don't expand reliably. Here is a thread (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258237) that I started when looking for 45acp ammunition that expands reliably when fired from a 3" barrel yet penetrates deeply enough. After all of the discussions I had originally planned on using the expensive ($20/20) Speer 230gr Gold Dot for Short Barrels. These are optimized for 4" barreled pistols and it's not easy to find. I finally settled on Federal 230gr Tactical (http://www.le.atk.com/Interior.asp?section=1&page=pages/federal/fed_pistol_tatical.asp) +P Bonded which are said to do well out of a 3" barrel. These can be hard to come by because of Federal's policy of only selling them to law enforcement but if you search the Internet you'll sometimes find them for about $25/50.

JGIORD
September 10, 2007, 12:14 PM
Thanks for the info,

I suck at ballistics, but does a lighter gr and faster round = less recoil and more penetration? :confused:

sholling
September 10, 2007, 01:47 PM
People go lighter in the hope that higher velocities will result in more reliable expansion, at the cost of reduced penetration due to the lower mass of the bullet. Other than the links in my earlier post there really isn't a lot of hard data out there on bullet performance from a 3" barreled 45acp. About the closest I've found is this very old report (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=2968). which seemed to like the Winchester RA45TA 230gr +P and the Federal 230gr Tactical +P the best. Both of which are very hard for non-LEOs to find. My next choice would be the 230gr Speer Gold Dot (http://www.le.atk.com/Interior.asp?section=2&page=pages/ccispeer/ccispeer_GoldDot.asp) Short Barrel round, followed by the now discontinued Taurus 185gr DPX. Of course all of this is based strictly on reading and what others have suggested. I'm not equipped to do my own tests. Follow the links. They lead to some interesting reading.

Hunter0924
September 14, 2007, 01:11 AM
Muzzle Velocity (feet-per-second) shot from a Colt New Agent 3" barrel.
CED chronograph 10 feet from the muzzle
Winchester 230gr FMJ min733 max755 avg742
Armscor 230gr FMJ min796 max760 avg780
Speer Gold Dots 185gr JHP +P min 858 max926 avg897
Federal 185gr SWC min720 max742 avg726
Federal 230gr Hydra Shocks JHP min811 max824 avg817
Federal 230gr JHP min768 max802 avg788
Federal 185gr JHP min870 max902 avg893
Hornady 200gr TAP JHP +P min868 max897 avg881
Remington185grGolden Sabers JHP min898 max927 avg920
Winchester 230RgrJHP +P min845 max861 avg855
Corbon 185gr JHP +P min991 max988 avg983
Handloads 200gr LSWC/ 5.3gr Unique min710 max746 avg725

I believe the lighter bullet is better in a shorter barrel so velocity will be high enough to promote good expansion. A heavier bullet will not attain high velocities in a shorter barrel.