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croc4
August 26, 2007, 06:23 PM
With all the talk about 10mm and me needing another toy ;-), what options are out their as far as platforms for the 10mm?.

I'm not looking for a Glock, don't like em, and not that big of a fan of the 1911 config, so are their any other options?

.351winchester
August 26, 2007, 07:05 PM
Witness, CZ pattern frame. The Elite Trophy Match (?) is fairly reasonably priced, comes in SA (cocked +locked) old school 2-tone (black slide, SS frame). If you catch some old Miami Vice episodes and develop a desire for a Bren 10, this one is the way to go, with a Galco Miami Classic. In 10mm you get 15+1, but cal. conversions are avail for like 250. in 9mm, 40, 38 Super, and 45. I like this gun a lot (would also get the 9mm upper for cheaper practice and the Super 38 cause I like it even better than a 10, esp @ 18+1) but have been scared away by stories of the odd jamamatic getting purchased. Not such a bad thing but EAA will blow you off should that happen. The CZ design is common and people use Witnesses in IPSC and whatnot, so you can have gunsmith support, out of pocket. I dunno, I've been interested in this pistol a while but forums like this and actual owners gave warnings. Right now can't afford a peice that won't function properly.

Check out the old S&W 10-series, 1006 probably, if you don't like Glocks OR 1911's. You can find them on the used market but people don't like to give them up. Or of course if you want to put up the big bucks and scour the Earth, an original D&D Bren 10.

I think Taurus is coming out with a Tracker in 10mm, might as well just get their .41 Mag in that case (although I don't think the 10mm is equivalent to the .41 Mag in most cases).

People like the 10 in carbines/SMG's/"assault weapons". D-Max had a Lanchester/Sterling looking pistol back in the day. There are AR-15 conversions by Olympic and others and one of the parts kit assembled companies had their HK-94 model available in pistol configuration (like a regular MP-5/10 minus buttstock).

The Smiths are long out of production, 1911's have been beaten to death in short order by the round, Witness has a somewhat less than stellar reputation. I think you should get a Glock 20 (or 29) if you really want a 10mm, it will treat you good. Anything else seems too much of a hassle honestly, esp. when you don't have anything else in mind. If you really cannot stand to own a Glock, go with the Witness. i didn't mean to make their QC out to be a crapshoot, just I've heard a lot of bad, and there are too many great guns out there for me to risk. You on the other hand don't have as much selection, when looking for a 10.

Austin HiPowers
August 26, 2007, 07:46 PM
Croc4, why don't you check out www.10mmtalk.com
All the information you need. I am a 10mm fan also and like the
company of other 10mm enthousiasts.:D

varoadking
August 26, 2007, 07:55 PM
croc4 With all the talk about 10mm and me needing another toy ;-), what options are out their as far as platforms for the 10mm?.


This is a great place to start...and a great platform to start with:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=78822926

Ocraknife
August 26, 2007, 09:26 PM
I am seriously looking at the Glock 20

Officer's Match
August 26, 2007, 09:29 PM
If I could have it in a SF variant, I might bite (listening Gaston?).

ranburr
August 26, 2007, 10:03 PM
I have a Colt Elite Ten, (Delta Elite variant), and a Tanfoglio / Witness Custom Stock. Both are good guns. The Stock is extremely accurrate.

easyG
August 27, 2007, 12:03 AM
It looks like a buyer would be severly limited in handgun choice if he decided to buy a 10mm pistol.

Never a good thing....:(

Wiskey_33
August 27, 2007, 07:01 AM
Glock makes 2, the G20 and G29....Kimber made one, not sure if it's still in production...search gunbroker....or go to a dealer and hold a few....

garryc
August 27, 2007, 07:22 AM
I think I've shot just about all the 10mm's at one time or another. The Witness rules the pack IMHO. My buddy's older S+W shoots great, but newer ones I've fired didn't do near as well as my Witness's.

Magnum Wheel Man
August 27, 2007, 07:27 AM
I was sure it was going to give me an excuse to buy my 1st "plastic gun"... but I just couldn't after holding the Glock... I found the grip too big & blocky ( like holding a chunk of 2" X 2" wood...

I chose the Witness in "wonder finish"... I found it to be the best value, & I love the way the CZ style guns fit my hand... like this pistol ( not my pic ), I'll have mine off layaway in two more pay checks... I've been buying a box of ammo every week, so I'm really looking forward to shooting it when it comes home...;)

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25680&d=1184860125

Socrates
August 27, 2007, 07:36 AM
Kali legal new 10MM guns:
Quote:
Smith & Wesson 610-3 / Stainless Steel Revolver 3.87" 10mm 5/8/2008
Glock 20C / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.6" 10mm 1/9/2008
Glock 20 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.60" 10mm 12/31/2007
Glock 20 OD / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.60" 10mm 12/22/2007
Glock 29 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.78" 10mm 4/4/2008
Glock 29 OD / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.78" 10mm 11/1/2007
Kimber Stainless Target 10mm II / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 10mm 10/14/2007
Kimber Eclipse Custom II / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 10mm 10/31/2007

Socrates J.D.

Don Lu
August 27, 2007, 07:48 PM
http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/nfresults.asp?Model=&Caliber=10+mm&Make=&Type=&Submit=Find+It

mountainclmbr
August 27, 2007, 10:07 PM
I have also been looking at 10mm's. Looking for a range that rents them, but not having luck. I like the feel of the Dan Wesson Razorback as I have done much shooting with the 1911 platform. The Colt Delta Elite is also interesting. EAA and S&W could also be interesting if they shoot well in my hands. I would just like to shoot them to see how they really work.

456-SGT
August 27, 2007, 10:29 PM
I know you said no 1911 variants, but dang, Colt's Delta Elite pretty much has it nailed. I have never owned one personally, but came dang close. The seller backed out at the last minute. I think he saw the crazy look in my eyes and he figured he had something good...even if he really did not want it.

I, too, will be interested to see of Glock will follow suit with the 10mm and make a 20SF. I am sure enough buyers would come forward to justify the creation and build of the weapon.

Officer's Match
August 28, 2007, 07:43 AM
"I, too, will be interested to see of Glock will follow suit with the 10mm and make a 20SF. I am sure enough buyers would come forward to justify the creation and build of the weapon."

IIRC, the frames on the 20 and 21 are the same, so it shouldn't be an investment on Glocks end.

Alleykat
August 28, 2007, 11:38 AM
Also wouldn't take too much of a wizard to put a G20 upper on a G21sf frame. (assuming that'd work, of course. :))

Wiskey_33
August 28, 2007, 11:48 AM
I just got the G29 and find it to find my hand quite well. One could always get a grip reduction....

czf
August 28, 2007, 06:38 PM
You will LOVE that Witness!

I've owned the Smith 1076 and found it to be Clunky like a SIG.
The G20 is too big for my hands, might have a G20 SF someday if
Glock is wise enough to do so.

croc4
August 29, 2007, 10:18 PM
thanks for the ideas, being in Kali my options are further reduced. I beggars can't be choosers ;-(

MTMilitiaman
August 29, 2007, 10:33 PM
With Glock already producing the frames, the most expensive part becomes the magazines. Since they are rumored to already have 20SF magazines on the market, we can only assume the 20SF is following shortly.