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HappyGunner
July 19, 2007, 03:01 PM
07/18/07 Tonight NBC News

Tonight on the NBC Nightly News, Stag Arms is visited by the nightly news crew to discuss the popularity of the AR-15. A New York Times article on June 3, 2007 raised the issue of the widespread popularity and use of the AR-15 in America. In this New York Times article, Stag Arms is highlighted as one of the world's largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles and parts. NBC requested to visit the Stag Arms factory to see what it is like at a firearms factory that manufactures one of the most popular rifles in America. Tune in tonight to catch a must watch report on the NBC Nightly News.

RockyMtnTactical
July 19, 2007, 03:54 PM
I'll be watching! :)

Manedwolf
July 19, 2007, 04:07 PM
MSM doing anything other than Tragedies Caused By Guns nonsense?

Are there four guys on horses going by outside?

sneaky pete
July 19, 2007, 04:45 PM
OLD Sneaky here: I know that sometimes my wife asks me if I have Alzheimers when I seem to forget her precise instructions, BUT isn't today 19JULY'07 ???? I looked at my Solar powered atomic Casio-"G" shock and the calendar on the Fridg and both told me that today IS 19JULY'07----Maybe I'm clueless or something. PLEASE--HELP--SNEAKY

HappyGunner
July 19, 2007, 07:32 PM
NBC gave Stag Arms about 10 seconds the rest was putting the fear of death into the viewing public about the EBR evil black rifles.
Lesson learned (Don't trust the Media any of them.) :evil:

sigfreak
July 19, 2007, 07:51 PM
yep micheal bloomberg and the rest of his nazi media party at it again.i'm totally sick of corrupt politicians and judges letting the criminal element in this country get a pass while legal gun owners take the blame.

RevolverLover
July 19, 2007, 08:14 PM
NBC gave Stag Arms about 10 seconds the rest was putting the fear of death into the viewing public about the EBR evil black rifles.
Lesson learned (Don't trust the Media any of them.) :evil:

They should of seen that coming. Why would Stag Arms let NBC into their factories in the first place?

HappyGunner
July 19, 2007, 08:31 PM
When Stags Marketing Dept. sent me the e-mail about NBC going to show their factory. I replied you better be on guard.;) And just as I feared they stuck it to Stag.:o I agree don't allow the Media inside any firearms factory.:)

Manedwolf
July 19, 2007, 08:34 PM
When Stags Marketing Dept. sent me the e-mail about NBC going to show their factory. I replied you better be on guard. And just as I feared they stuck it to Stag. I agree don't allow the Media inside any firearms factory.

Lawsuit time? Misrepresentation of a business?

shep854
July 20, 2007, 12:33 AM
WHAT REPORT WERE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING?

The report I saw showed a female professional shooting competition with an AR-15 in her free time. It discussed the rifle's popularity and I didn't see the term "assault rifle" mentioned once. Yes, they did give the anti's a say, but that is called "balance". Overall, the piece showed recreational shooters as normal people.

I'd call it a win for the Good Guys.

Gator Monroe
July 20, 2007, 01:10 AM
Evil Leftist Democrat lovin media is anti-Firearm and this segment was another verification of what all firearm owners already know ...

USMCG_HMX1
July 20, 2007, 01:33 AM
WHAT REPORT WERE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING?

The report I saw showed a female professional shooting competition with an AR-15 in her free time. It discussed the rifle's popularity and I didn't see the term "assault rifle" mentioned once. Yes, they did give the anti's a say, but that is called "balance". Overall, the piece showed recreational shooters as normal people.

I'd call it a win for the Good Guys.


I didn't want to wait till tonight to watch it, so I watched the video clip on the NBC website, and they did use the term "assault rifle" at least 3 times. They also used "black rifle" quite a bit, so as to not make a direct reference to the AR-15 family. They even used the "DC sniper" as a "oh look at what it can do" doom and gloom backdrop.



Kris

ConcealCarryNY
July 20, 2007, 06:00 AM
They also used the old "It has a pistol grip for easy firing from the hip" line. Who actually does this?? Typical media drivel. The lady they had on there looked like a Female body builder and was not very well spoken. It was crap

RocketFoot
July 20, 2007, 06:06 AM
Here is the Youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3s4yrd7nOU

shep854
July 20, 2007, 07:22 AM
When I saw the promo, the fact that they were boosting it as a human interest story caught my eye. It did not seen to be a typical hysterical EVIL GUN hatchet piece.

I was at a gym, so I had to read the closed captioning. I stand corrected on the "assault rifle" references, but I stick to my guns, that it was a balanced piece, overall a fair portrayal of gun owners. After all, the media is showing the subject woman as a strong, independent female; the left's ideal. showing her as empowered by the AR flies in the face of the feminist gun control types (women are better off unarmed).

No offense, guys, but this is a good example of "you see what you are looking for." I stick to my guns--compared to most of the junk the MSM puts out, this is positively pro-2A.

drewbuddy
July 20, 2007, 08:05 AM
there is nothing fair about msm/nbc. about the only "fair and balanced" news reporting is done by fox news. all the others are leftist hippy why can't we all be socialists types. i wished i could write i really could. i'd write a nice long essay and submit it to bill o'riely on how we are headed towards socialism.

USMCG_HMX1
July 20, 2007, 10:59 AM
I don't see it as a pro-2A piece. I see it as the typical "let's scare our watchers" piece that is standard from MSNBC. The way they just HAD to throw in the "DC Sniper used a black rifle" bit did it for me. All they did was show Stag Arms saying "we've doubled our sales, and expect it to triple in two years". Oh my God, they're making tens of thousands of these "black rifles" a year. Is the world coming to an end ???

It's like saying gasoline is bad because it powers the car of the drunk driver, or that ceramic chefs knives should be banned because a terrorist could get them past security, as there is zero metal in them, and onto an airplane.



Kris

HappyGunner
July 20, 2007, 11:49 AM
Well they sure tricked the CEO of Stag Arms by taking his few words and making it look like his company is pushing thousands of EBR evil black rifles AKA guns of death in to the United States.:(

I had this feeling when Stags marketing sent me the e-mail about the program that they had no idea what was really going to be aired.:rolleyes:

Yeah that DC sniper rifle it's the first time I ever remember seeing in on any program. It even had a EOTech sight of death mounted on it.;)

I hope the CEO of Stag Arms learned a lesson about getting close to our sweet Media friends.:)

RockyMtnTactical
July 20, 2007, 12:05 PM
It was done negatively. It reminds me why I never watch Brian Williams or anything else on NBC.

Gator Monroe
July 20, 2007, 01:58 PM
If the show was 30% fair and 70% negative (Some posters at any Gunboard/forum would Defend it as Fair & Balanced or even Pro-2A because they are Middle of the roaders, Rabid Anti-Government (Any Administration), or Democrat shooters who have an Obama sticker on their Hybrid ... (They are everywhere, you know.:eek:

homefires
July 20, 2007, 03:14 PM
I watch NCB, It's good to know your Enemy. S.S.D.D. Propaganda!!!!!


Jim

Billmanweh
July 20, 2007, 04:29 PM
I didn't think it was negative at all. I watched it with my girlfriend and when it was over I asked her what she thought and we both thought it was positive

maddog44
July 20, 2007, 04:38 PM
The management at Stag Arms must truly be clueless idiots. Anyone remotely in touch with the mainstream media would have instantly known this would be nothing more than a hit piece on firearms and the 2nd amendment.

Shame on the management of Stag Arms for being so naive.

Never, Never give them an inch. Never give them ammo. Never think they are fair or balanced. The most of the mainstream media are controlled and staffed by left wingers.

HappyGunner
July 20, 2007, 05:12 PM
That some people found the program positive:rolleyes: I would sure like the positive items in the program pointed out.;)

Ocraknife
July 20, 2007, 06:07 PM
We fight hard for our 2nd amendment rights why do complain when someone else exercises another inalienable right, the freedom of speech?

2002gti
July 20, 2007, 06:08 PM
im all over it too, beer(s) in hand, and mabee an ar at my feet - its mans best friend you know.

joshua
July 20, 2007, 06:31 PM
I didn't see any balance to that NBC crap about black rifles. Just a matter of how you look at it I suppose. I'm just the wrong person to judge if that report was "balanced" and not took any side. If it ain't pro gun then it's an anti propaganda :D josh

2002gti
July 20, 2007, 08:14 PM
i just watched the whole thing and didnt see anything on stag

Billmanweh
July 20, 2007, 10:00 PM
I would say it was perfectly balanced. It talked about how popular AR-15's have become and even people like a soccer mom are shooting them. It also talked about the controversy from the anti-gun people who want to ban them. If "black rifle" is an anti-gun term, then ar15.com is anti-gun.

ZooKeeper
July 21, 2007, 09:46 AM
I have to admit, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. I thought they would just slaughter the rifle, but it was pretty balanced for major media. I can see where anyone with no knowledge would gain a negative impression from the piece, which bothers me.

The biggest thing that bothered me was seeing someone shoot in a pink visor!!!! :eek:

RockyMtnTactical
July 21, 2007, 03:40 PM
i just watched the whole thing and didnt see anything on stag

Watch it again. They even interview Mark, the President.

joeranger
July 21, 2007, 07:17 PM
How does a pistol grip help you shoot from the hip? Wouldn't a rifle stock be easier to shoot from the hip because your hand would be in a more natural position?

Reno82
July 22, 2007, 03:00 AM
Not to bad... but has a negative tone to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7dy7JbsX8

Davis
July 22, 2007, 07:56 AM
Yeah, that was a hit piece alright. Not balanced at all. The woman shooting was not cast in the same gentle, feminine light as the anti. The shooter was cast almost selfishly whereas the anti was cast as one who cares for others. They never called it what it is (we call them black rifles in a cynical reference to the anti's). The two interviews' contents may have shown both points of view, but the narration was very anti in its tone.

Davis

Dannavy85
July 22, 2007, 10:04 AM
"Black Rifles"! Oooooo....how scary....shhhhhh.....she's shooting with a black rifle, she must be one of those neo-con, homosexual hating, earth killing white women....oooooooo....

and...(whispering) It has a pistol grip! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!

Free speech nothing, doesn't anyone stand up to treasonous people like Kieth the fascist Oeberman? This piece by the National Bolshevik Communications company was a drive by punch in the face, including the ever so subtle look of disdain and hate on the face of Brian Williams, as if women shouldn't be caught dead shooting a high powered rifle.

Someday both the media and the left will go too far.

Dannavy85
July 22, 2007, 10:05 AM
How does a pistol grip help you shoot from the hip?

And why would any practiced legal gun owner ever want to copy the sloppy mannors of "boiz hood" can't shoot strait getto trash?

FirstFreedom
July 22, 2007, 10:10 AM
The woman shooting was not cast in the same gentle, feminine light as the anti. The shooter was cast almost selfishly whereas the anti was cast as one who cares for others.

They never called it what it is (we call them black rifles in a cynical reference to the anti's). The two interviews' contents may have shown both points of view, but the narration was very anti in its tone.

You make some good points, and that anti slant you describe is very subtle, as you can see (hard-edged, non-feminine advocate for the gun, calling them "black rifle" and never using "ar15", the pistol grip/hip shooting thing - absurd). It wasn't a complete hit piece though, I don't think - we've seen MUCH worse over the years - 99% one-sided. To the extent it was a "hit piece", then it goes to show that the crafters have gotten far more complex & subtle with their techniques, since we've called them out over the years on their blatant, non-balanced "journalism", and it stung them. So what we're doing is working. :)

Ocraknife
July 22, 2007, 10:55 AM
"Black Rifles"! Oooooo....how scary....shhhhhh.....she's shooting with a black rifle, she must be one of those neo-con, homosexual hating, earth killing white women....oooooooo....

and...(whispering) It has a pistol grip! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!

Free speech nothing, doesn't anyone stand up to treasonous people like Kieth the fascist Oeberman? This piece by the National Bolshevik Communications company was a drive by punch in the face, including the ever so subtle look of disdain and hate on the face of Brian Williams, as if women shouldn't be caught dead shooting a high powered rifle.

Someday both the media and the left will go too far.

Here is your chance to boycott NBC.

Gator Monroe
July 22, 2007, 12:48 PM
First Freedom is right The Subtlety and subtrafuge is just right to keep the Liberal,Left leaning Democrat shooters happy and wondering why their Rabid Nationalist Right leaning buddies at these forums are soooooo paranoid all the time ?

stinger
July 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
I've watched it several times and don't see any real bias. No, I didn't time each point of view, but it seemed to me the lady with the AR got more pub than the anti. The interview with Stag Arms was pointless, lasting maybe a total of 45 seconds.

I bet they had at least a couple of hours worth of video from all points of view, and the story lasted, what, 4 minutes? That is the problem with both the media and our society, if it doesn't fit in our attention span it's gotta go. We want things done in soundbites, and preferrable with a celebrity involved. Kind of like the war in Iraq...it keeps overshadowing the coverage of Anna Nichole and Paris Hilton.

Our society is full of mindless buffoons, the media caters to that, and helps reinforce it with their pointless, hyped, emotional coverage of ALL events.

Billmanweh
July 22, 2007, 04:43 PM
it was so subtle that it went right over my head