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2strokefreak
July 15, 2007, 11:31 PM
im getting ready to buy a ruger 77/17 .17 hmr rifle. and i just want to know what the best ammo i can get for this would be. im wanting the most damage possible from a long distance, and as accurate as possible?
im assuming that the remington premier varmint ammo or the remington express ammo is the bes, since they both shoot over 4000 fps?

Yithian
July 15, 2007, 11:42 PM
All makes of 17HMR come from the same factory. CCI's.
So, Remington, Hornady, CCI, Winchester...etc, are all basically the same.
If you want fast, go with light weight bullets. If you want distance or better punch, go heavy. 17gr and 20gr are the only choices I know of so far.

A 17HMR is basically a 200 yard rifle or less.
The only reason for a bull-barrel on one would be for bench shooting.
For hunting, or even just harvesting, a standard taper barrel is just fine.

The ballistic tips are for explosive impact. No exit wound most of the time.
Hollow points are tiny hole in and large hole out.
FMJ's are tiny hole in, and tiny hole out.

Most damage at a distance of 200 yards would be dependent on the size of the game you are hunting.
Small animals like squirrels get a Ballistic tip.
Larger animals like coyotes and dogs get the hollow points.
At about 150 yards and closer, ballistic tips will do the most damage.

Once the barrel was free-floated, every 17HMR I have played with is sub MOA @ 100 yards.
It's the shooter that makes the biggest difference.

2strokefreak
July 15, 2007, 11:48 PM
the remington express say they are 25 grain hollow point, so from what you said those will probly do the most damage and be accurate at a distance?http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/productview?saleitemid=100018&t=11082005

Yithian
July 15, 2007, 11:52 PM
the remington express say they are 25 grain hollow point, so from what you said those will probly do the most damage and be accurate at a distance?http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...018&t=11082005

Thats not 17HMR ammo...
Thats 17 REM centerfire ammo.

2strokefreak
July 16, 2007, 12:19 AM
my bad, what would you recomend?

Ifishsum
July 16, 2007, 12:21 AM
since they both shoot over 4000 fps?

yer looking at the wrong ammo there. .17HMR is more like 2500FPS

I've also heard that all .17HMR ammo is made by CCI, but if so they must be to slightly different specs because it does not all shoot the same for me. One of my Savages likes the Remington 17gr accutip, the other shoots best with the Hornady 17gr Vmax. Neither does very well with the 20g TNT loading.

I'd call it more of a 150 yd rifle in terms of much damage. Those little bullets lose energy fast and don't seem very explosive beyond that, and for anything much larger than a rabbit, I'd think more in the 100 yd range.

I'd buy a box of everything and see what your rifle shoots the best. Terminal performance is pretty much the same.

2strokefreak
July 16, 2007, 12:28 AM
and are yall sure those arent for 17 caliber guns? what size guns are those for?http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/productview?saleitemid=100018&t=11082005

Ifishsum
July 16, 2007, 12:33 AM
BTW 2stroke, welcome to TFL and enjoy your new rifle!

Death from Afar
July 16, 2007, 12:57 AM
Whatever shoots best in your guns. Mate of mine was teariung his hair out (not that he has much these days) because his nasty savage wasnt so much minute of angle but more inch of angle. He had changed from the 17 grain Hornady stuff to CCI 20 grain and the gun did not like it at all. My 17 shoots best with S&B poly mer tip, hates the hollow point stuff. You will need to experiment my friend.

KFDiesel
July 16, 2007, 08:40 AM
I strongly advise shooting it all and finding which works best for your gun. My buddy and I both have the Ruger M77/.17 HMR. Mine loves the Hornady; his loves the Remington. Mine throws the Remington all over the paper. Great gun. I love mine. Its unbelievable how accurate they are being such a small caliber and a rimfire to boot.
Have fun.
Kirk

mikejonestkd
July 16, 2007, 08:51 AM
2stroke...

just to repeat what the others said:

.17 Remington is a centerfire cartridge and shoots around 4000fps with a 25 GR bullet.

.17 HMR, which the ruger 77/17 is chambered for is a rimfire cartridge and shoots 17-20 grain bullets around 2550 fps.

They are NOT interchangable.

All .17hmr used to be made by CCI and probably still are.

AK103K
July 16, 2007, 04:57 PM
All .17hmr used to be made by CCI and probably still are.
I've got .17HMR's from CCI, Hornady, and Federal, and I've seen Winchester at the local Gander Mountain a little while back.

The ballistic tips are for explosive impact. No exit wound most of the time.
Its been my experience that they usually do exit and the whole is usually pretty spectacular on softer skinned critters.

This is a garden invader shot at 50 yards using CCI VMAX BT's.

If you dont like blood and guts, dont look. :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p46174c5404c121fec6cb9dccc986db9a/e9039bc5.jpg

mikejonestkd
July 16, 2007, 05:07 PM
Regardless of the name on the package...they all start life in the CCI plant...

FirstFreedom
July 16, 2007, 10:08 PM
I heard there is one other actual maker besides CCI - can't remember if it's Remington, Hornady, or what....... wish I knew the real deal. The other day, Federal .17 HMRs were shooting well out of my CZ 453.