View Full Version : bigger calibre

June 30, 2007, 11:48 AM
im started to get into long range shooting im wondering whats a good tactical rifle to get in .300 win mag or .338 lapua mag but i dont to pay a arm and leg for it any suggestions and any feedback on the Armilite AR30

June 30, 2007, 01:47 PM
I have a Savage 116 FSAK in 300 WM with a Leupold VX III scope that I would be willing to part with if you make a reasonable offer. . .
Let me know

July 1, 2007, 07:24 PM
and which is the better calibre do they both have excellent terminal ballistics

July 1, 2007, 07:30 PM
The 338 leaves a bigger hole, other than that I don't see a ton of difference. . The 338 will also offer more deliverable energy due to the larger mass, but this only holds true if it can keep its speed up

July 1, 2007, 07:58 PM
No .338 Lapua, but pretty much any other .30's range-reach-out-and-touch-someone round is available. It's a tried and true platform that has alot of potential IMO. If I had an endless budget, an AI AW would be the ticket.


July 1, 2007, 08:05 PM
Nuthin wrong with the old .308. Much cheaper to shoot surplus ammo too.

July 1, 2007, 08:07 PM
yes but i dont plan on shooting surplus ammo through it and i have a few .308
rifles and i think im leaning to to AR30 in .338 lapua

July 1, 2007, 08:14 PM
Should I assume you plan on hand loading?

July 1, 2007, 08:19 PM
Much cheaper to shoot surplus ammo too.
There ain't much of that around these days anyway, unless you want some Pakistani hang-fire specials. Besides, .308 is not the long range round that the .300 WM and .338 Lapua are.


July 2, 2007, 01:42 PM
What is your intended target, and at what range?

There is a lot to be said about 6.5x284 if shooting at men and animals out to 800 or 1000 meters.


July 2, 2007, 01:50 PM
+1 tiny

look at 6.5

July 2, 2007, 01:52 PM
Long-range, flat-shooting should not be equivalent to physical punishment. The larger bore flat-shooting rifles dish out plenty of recoil and concussion every time you touch one off. While the 338 Lapua, 338 RUM, 340 Weatherby are all fantastic rounds out to 1000 yds, you can get pretty beat up by them. But if you want to send a heavy bullet waaaay out there, they are tough to beat.

Other options are available, of course. 7mm STW, 6mm-06, 6.5-06, 22-6mm. Any of these will send a high ballistic coefficient, heavy-for-caliber bullet out to 1,000 yds and beyond without debilitating recoil.

July 2, 2007, 02:25 PM
But, if you have to be able to disable a truck at 800 yards, you really need a 50bmg or a 20mm Lahti.....


July 2, 2007, 05:06 PM
Hey Scorch, what case is the 7mm STW based on, do you know?

Tiny, that's a good point about the .338s potentially being a "no-man's-land" of useful cartridge sizes. If 6.5s or 7mm (or even 6mms) will kill living things at long range effectively, and you since you probably need a .50 bmg or bigger to kill things-with-engines at long range anyway (assuming YOU would ever need to do that for some reason), then what's the point of the .338s or magnum .300s anyway? A bit less wind drift and a bit longer practical range on living creatures, I suppose... *IF* you can make the hit - that's a big IF.

Jim Watson
July 2, 2007, 05:13 PM
How long is "long range"?
What do you expect the bullet to do when it gets there?
How much shooting do you plan to do in a day?

For serious target shooting to 1000 yards, the current standard is the 6.5x284, normally loaded to the accuracy "sweet spot" of about 2950 fps for a 139-142 gr bullet rather than firewalling the pressure and velocity.

Experimentally minded shooters are going down to 6mm and up to 7mm, with a few dinosaurs still shooting one or another .30 cal.

If you want to wreak destruction to 1000 yards, a .300 magnum will do pretty well; if you want to wreak great destruction or get out farther than that, the .338 Lapua gets the nod.

July 2, 2007, 05:28 PM
Anything wrong with a good old 7mm rem mag or are belted cases a pain when it comes to reloading?

July 2, 2007, 06:41 PM
Hey Scorch, what case is the 7mm STW based on, do you know?

7mm STW (Shooting Times Westerner) is based on the 8mm Remington Magnum, which is a full-length 375 H&H case, straight-walled, with a 30degree shoulder and a neck 1.5 calibers (.475") long. It will throw a 170 gr bullet at about 3400 fps. Compare that to a 7mm Rem Mag that shoots the same bullet at 3000 fps or so.

But remember: like all high-velocity overbore cartridges, you gotta pay for it somehow.

July 2, 2007, 08:19 PM
He' said he was looking at the AR-30.
Recoil isn't an issue. A .308Win, with no brake, has more recoil.
Watch this vid of a 300WinMag AR-30.
The guy shooting, is our freind, armedtotheteeth.