View Full Version : JP Sauer and Sohn

February 18, 2006, 10:20 AM
Have a JP Sauer and Sohn 7.65 and believe it is a model known as M1913.
The sn is 221762 and is eagle over N proof mark over the right rear of trigger guard. The only grip with anything on it is the left and it is an entwined SuS and the Cal. 7.65 mm, the other side is plain. The right side of breech is the word patent and the left is JP Sauer and Sohn then a mark that looks like a minuteman standing with rifle and then cal. 7,65. The proof mark eagle over N is also on the rear of the breech. On the clip is S&S Cal. 7,65. I also think only about 10,000 made it to military service. Anyone know of the history and the value of such a piece? Thanks

James K
February 18, 2006, 09:18 PM
Can you describe the pistol a bit more? Specifically, does it have a straight grip or a more hand-filling type? Does it have a safety in the middle of the trigger?

The reason I am asking is that a Model 1913 (or 1914 as some call it) would not have a "eagle N" proof; it should have a "crown N". The only Sauers that were being made in the Nazi era were the "Behorden" model, which is pretty rare, and the Model 38, which is a double action pistol somewhat resembling the Walther PP.


Harley Nolden
February 19, 2006, 04:19 AM
Do either of these look like your gun?


February 19, 2006, 09:03 AM
It is the M30 Behorden. It is in very good condition. Just wondering a little about it. How many are around and what they go for. A little history? Thanks

February 19, 2006, 09:05 AM
You are correct it is a crown N. As I stated before it is in very good condition and I have the original holster which is a shoulder model.

February 19, 2006, 09:09 AM
The ONLY thing I can see is there is no safety plate in the front trigger but other than that it is a dead ringer for the M30. It is exactly like it including the grip markings.

February 19, 2006, 11:04 AM
Hi, I just bought a black powder pistol, from a friend. I would like to know if anyone out there knows what it is. LOL It has a number cmc 747774. It has an old style curved pistol butt, it has a 3 barrell chamber, with one cap to fire it. One barrell goes stright out, while the the other two are setting at 15 degree angle each way to each side. I guess you load all three barells, then one cap, and fire, three directions at the same time. LOL strange gun. Can anyone help me out on this one. Thank's. Ron.

James K
February 19, 2006, 10:30 PM
The Sauer Behorden model is less common than the Model 1913, and brings about 20-30 percent more.


Please open a new thread on your duckfoot pistol. Thanks.