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Keithg
January 29, 2006, 02:22 PM
Hello everybody, I've been searching around lately for a versatile varmint rifle. Which varmints? I'm not sure yet, which leads me into my question. As far as caliber goes, I wanted to know if anybody could give me some pro's/con's of the 223 against the 22-250?

Death from Afar
January 29, 2006, 02:48 PM
Ah, the eternal question... .223 vs .22/250.

The 250 has more range, is faster, and shoots a bit better way out yonder as the .223 will go subsonic sooner.

The .223 on the other hand has:

!/ Dirt cheap ammo.
2/ Less recoil so you can see the "splash" and adjust fire
3/ Much less report
4/ Arguably, a bit easier to reload.

jsinon
January 29, 2006, 09:26 PM
It depends on what you are shooting. If you just want to thin the rodent population the .22-250 will explode 'em quite nicely, but I've witnessed horrible pelt damage on fur bearers/predators(coyotes, fox etc.) with it. That's the reason I went with the .223. Don't get me wrong, with the wrong bullet you can get the same fur damage but the velocities are quite a bit lower so you can expect less. On the other hand one of my hunting buddies has shot coyote with a .22-250 pushing a 40grn V-Max in excess of 4000fps. It went in, vertually liquified the coyote internally but never came out. Another thing in favor of the .223, dirt cheap to shoot. There is alot of cheap ammo out there for it. Hope this helps a little.

duck911
January 29, 2006, 11:06 PM
Depends on what your objective is but I'd look into the .204.

Does just about everything a .223 and 22-250 can do, only with less drop, less muzzle blast, less muzzle jump, and less barrel wear.

Acegoesbang
January 29, 2006, 11:25 PM
well actually the 22-250 and the 223 there is very lil difference in as far as range.As for speed your most accurate bullet will be a about 3500-3600- in the 22-250 so you don't gain much unless you just want a bullets to blow up lol 223 bullets still pretty quick smaller easer to manage/cheaper .. i my self am in the same boat ass you and still not decide for my self i have even been looking at a heavy barreled 243 has a wider range of bullet from 55-107 gr which mean 100 grain bullet will hit alot harder at out to 700 yards.it sounds real good but in my sittuation i9 alread have brass dies and bullets for both 22-250 and 223 i have decided on the 22-250 ...

gbran
January 30, 2006, 12:34 AM
I shoot a 45 gr JHP in .223. It is very fast (about 3550 fps) and very flat. Also, as said by others, very cheap.

BTW, I'm also very interested in the .243 WSSM. You can shoot a 55 gr varmint bullet or a 95 and 100 gr bullets capable of taking deer sized game. A lot of versatility in one gun.

PDshooter
January 30, 2006, 12:53 AM
My Win70 in .223 rebarrel about 5yrs ago:confused: I think. Go to S.D to PD shoot every year for the last 15yrs:D 55gr HPBT bullets from sierra shoot the best.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/PDshooter/Win70/Win70.jpg
Leupold scope 6X20......You can't hit them,if you can't see them!

PDshooter
January 30, 2006, 12:56 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/PDshooter/PD%20Dog%20shoot/Double2.jpg

Nothing like a double:D

impact
January 30, 2006, 01:21 AM
Something about a Winchester just makes all warm and fuzzy inside:) Nice looking gun PDshooter

gbran
January 30, 2006, 01:28 AM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/gbran/DSC00318-1.jpg

bgoldhunter
January 30, 2006, 01:37 AM
I went with a 22-250 for varmint/predator hunting, and it wasn't a hard decision over a 223. I handload, so cost of ammo is out the window, as there is not a large difference between them. Bullet selection is the large factor in how fur-friendly they are, and have had good luck with 55gr Sierras. If I want, I can push almost 4100 fps with 40gr (and without the bullet blowing up), although it is not needed for the main purpose of my gun-coyote and bobcats. It is much more flat than a 223, and has a better usable range than a 223. Only other 22 cal I want is a 220 Swift, then maybe I would build that lightweight AR carry gun I've been thinking of....

Acegoesbang
January 30, 2006, 06:31 AM
40 grain not blowing up ???? what are they steel lol i shot every bullet out their in the 22-250 and when hit something it was over even at 3800 fps a 55 match grade hit a white tail doe in the head and never exited the bullet was fragmented in to a thousand lil peices and the 45 grain and 40 grain you can hit a heavy rain drop and acually see the bullet explode i loaded up some 50 grain sxsp hornady bullets which say do not load past 3600fps i loaded them at about 3950 and they would only shoot about 75 y7ard accuratly and about 150 tops and the would explode in air you could see a lead streak from the side of the gun to point of impact.

Acegoesbang
January 30, 2006, 06:32 AM
nice gun and nice shot pd how far was it made from ?

PDshooter
January 30, 2006, 09:14 AM
Around 70yds.......I remember the people who owned this land ,had alot of "Junk cars" on it. I was sitting inside the car,and when "Mr&Mrs Pd came showed up I swung the rifle over the hood:D .........And that all she wrote!;)

joshua
January 30, 2006, 09:15 AM
I own both and I love both of them. If I knew then what I know now I would've picked the 223 for most of my shooting and then a 243 for my long range shots. My point is more of a comparison of the 22-250 vs 243. The 22-250 is a great round and I respect it for that, but the advantage it provides over the 223 is not considerable compared to a 243. I did mention I love my 22-250, only because the rifle is so accurate and I baby it. The 223 will last longer, will be accurate for a longer time and depending which barrel twist you option for is very versatile. When the time comes to rebarrel my 22-250 I will be having a very hard time deciding to either go fast twist 22-250 or 243. josh

bgoldhunter
January 30, 2006, 01:42 PM
Hmm...using Sierra 40 grainers. Explosive on contact, but never had a problem before they met their target...

Dirty_Harry
January 30, 2006, 03:11 PM
I would get a .223 just because I own an AR-15. The ammo is cheaper, and it is a good 300 yard round.

FirstFreedom
January 30, 2006, 05:34 PM
look at this recent thread.... it may prove very helpful to you.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190376&highlight=varm%2A

Keithg
January 30, 2006, 06:13 PM
It seems to me that basically you can't go wrong with either caliber. This is a tough decision because I don't necessarily need to stay with those specific calibers. I would guess to say I'm leaning toward the Savage 250 for an all-around varmint rifle. So this leads me to my next question. Which would you gentlemen think would be a better all around scope power? 4.5-14 or 6.5-20?

1BadF350
January 31, 2006, 11:26 AM
This is why I just went with both.:D

Dirty_Harry
January 31, 2006, 01:41 PM
I would say the 4.5-14

Twycross
January 31, 2006, 01:50 PM
4.5-14. You want the option of close-range shooting, and the 4.5 will be better for that than 6.5. What would be even better is if you can find a 4-15 or even a 3-12.