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Lampwick
January 29, 2006, 06:05 AM
Greetings

I am having a discussion with a friend regarding certain military rounds and which order they go in in regards to their "power". This is using standard military FMJ rounds.

This the order I believe they go (No.1 being the most powerful of the rounds.)

1. 30-06
2. 7.92x57
3. 7.62x54
4. 303 British

Please let me know if I am right as there is a steak dinner at "steak":D


Many thanks for your assistance
Lampwick

ranger dave
January 29, 2006, 12:13 PM
Thats A Hard One They Are All So Close In Ww Ii They All Used A 147g To 150g Bullet From 2500 Feet Per Sec To 2800 Feet Per Sec I Think You May Have To Go Dutch By The Way Im Glade To See Im Not The Only Gun Nut Who Thinks About Stuff Like That

Art Eatman
January 29, 2006, 03:30 PM
The 7.92, in a military loading, I think used a heavier bullet than the '06, but at about the same muzzle velocity. (The M2 Ball load for the '06 is a 153-grain bullet at a nominal 2,700 ft/sec.) I don't claim this as an absolute, however. But, it would mean a swap between #1 and #2 on your list.

I'd defer to anybody more knowledgeable...

Art

DimitriS
January 29, 2006, 06:35 PM
Well I got this off this site:
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:rzCr8ek8xJcJ:www.imagina.com/~bbroadside/General_Info.html+M2+Ball+Ballistics&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a

Its since went down but Google still has the cach of it. :D

It shows a Muzzle Energy of 4673 in Joules for the 8mm Mauser. It also shows a 3663 muzzle energy in Joules for the 30-06. Not too sure if these are right numbers or not. :)

I did however find that Turk Ammo has a Energy of 2949 foot pounds and a FPS of 2926. The M2 Ball had a velocity of 2,740 fps with a projectile of 150gr's. With these numbers the Turk 8mm Mauser is harder hitting then the M2 Ball. But I do hear that Turk is hotter then most. :confused:

Dimitri

armedtotheteeth
January 30, 2006, 12:05 AM
I don't think either the 762 x 54 or 57 has got more stuff than the 303. Id put the 303 right behind the 30-06. Its a damn close race between those 2. But no doubt the 06 has got the 303 beat.

T. O'Heir
January 30, 2006, 03:10 AM
"...a 153-grain bullet at a nominal 2,700 ft/sec..." M2 Ball used a 152 grain bullet at 2800fps during W.W. II. The Garand, however, was designed to use M1 ammo with a 174.5 grain bullet at 2647fps. M2 ammo was raised in muzzle velocity in 1940 to match the .30AP's 168 grain bullet.

.30-06: 152 grain, .308" bullet at 2800fps.
8 mm Mauser/7.92x57: 197 grain, .323" bullet at 2880.
7.62x54: 148 to 158 grain, .310" at 2660
.303 British: 174 grain, .311" bullet at 2440

So if you're thinking bullet weight and velocity, the .30-06 is roughly equal to the 8 mm Mauser. Lighter in "power" than the 8mm Mauser, but moreso than the .303 Brit.
Not that anyone would notice the difference.

armedtotheteeth
January 30, 2006, 07:48 PM
no body would notice the difference, IF YOU SHOT THEM FROM 1000 yards!! "hey thats just a 7.62x54, that doesnt hurt!!