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Gary Conner
January 22, 2006, 09:48 PM
I am trying to find out the manufacturer or any info you guys can offer about this gun. It is a semi auto .22, and has the following markings on the slide:

Pistolet Automatique Triomphe

ACIER 14PR114E

And on the frame, on the back end of the gun, it says 11590
SPAIN

From the style, it appears to be anywhere from around 1925 to 1945, cause it looks like the old Colt semi-autos but it is a small, hide-away type size.

Any help would be appreciated.

fal308
January 23, 2006, 08:35 AM
Are you sure it's a .22 and not a .25 (or even a .32)? I ask as most of the class of handgun you are describing are either .25 or .32. This was a rather prolific style of production for many Spanish gunmaking houses. In Zhuk's book there are eight+ pages of copies of the 6.35 1906 Browning and about ten pages for the 7.65 copies of the 1906 Browning. Is there anything on the grips? Any other markings? What of proofmarks? Also, photos would be helpful (if possible).

RJay
January 23, 2006, 12:11 PM
Two makers used the name Triomphe, One French and one Spanish. The Spanish pistol, Pistolet Automatique Triomphe Acier Comprime was a typical soft steel Spanish copy of Brownings 1906. Time frame was 1925-1930, however as was stated by fal308 it should be in caliber 6.35 better known as .25 ACP.

RJay
January 23, 2006, 12:16 PM
Sorry about that, The makers name was the Apaolozo Brothers, Apaolozo Hermanos, Zumorraga, Spain The small shop never survived the Spanish Civil War(1936).

Gary Conner
January 23, 2006, 05:39 PM
Guys:
I think it is a .25 caliber, not a .22 as we first thought.
I put a .22 in the clip, and it did not fit right, so it is probably a .25 caliber like you pointed out.
I wish I knew how to upload pictures, as I have a digital camera, and my computer has more bells and whistles than I know what to do with, but I am computer illiterate.
But I will ask my son to show me how to do it. The gun belongs to his friend, so I better call right now to let him know he needs to take it to a gunsmith to check it out on caliber, before shooting it.
Many thanks!

RJay
January 23, 2006, 06:28 PM
These pistols were made with soft steel. With a .25 you don't have to worry about blowing up and going KA-BOOM, however the sears and springs will wear out quite fast and the are no replacemint parts. These are best kept as a peice of firearm history and hung on the wall.

Gary Conner
January 23, 2006, 09:24 PM
I will let him know that. It is a neat looking little pistol, and it appears to be in fairly good shape.
Any idea as to what value ranges?

jacobtowne
January 24, 2006, 10:19 AM
These copies (unlawful) of Browning designs were made prior to 1939 in the Eibar region. Some were well made, some not.
Is there a bird or caliber marking on the grip panels?
My source says it was made by Apaolozo Hermanos, who also made the same pistol under the Paramount name.
JT

Gary Conner
January 24, 2006, 12:43 PM
No, there are no bird marks on the grip. The grips are checkered, but no design other than checkered, and they appear to be either plastic, or some type of fake ivory?
They are off white.

RJay
January 24, 2006, 01:50 PM
jacobtowne, Gosh, wasn't wasn't that what I said?