First Glock Jam

[2ksportny]

Had my Glock 23 out at the range tonight & after 20 rds I got my first jam (total rds throught gun to date is 450+). I couldn't get it unjammed, the round was not fired just lodged into the barrel after I chambered it & nothing went bang. I had both the range workers looking at it but niether could figure it out so I took the gun apart to see if I could pull the round out & the barrel wouldn't drop out of the slide because of the round. So the gun running the range knows the gun smith I bought the gun from personally & told me to bring it to him tomorrow just like I have it now & let him decide if it needs to be sent back to glock or if he can fix it. I am not surprised to have a jam seeing the gun is still pretty new & it most likely isn't fully broken in but damn I have never had a jam this bad that I have to take the gun home with a round chambered & the firing pin pulled allready.:mad: Not even my Kel-tec had this bad of a jam.

Oh yeah I was shooting Wolf ammo.

I know this is going to be a thread that Glock haters will be all over but I am looking for serious advice as to anything I can do for the night incase this thing decides to go bang, or maybe it is not possible for it to go off since the pin is allready fired.:confused: Maybe someone has had a similar jam & has some tips?

Thanks

[Ronny]

Did the firing pin make contact with the primer? That's one hell of a dangerous situation.

By the way, I would stay away from Wolf handgun ammunition. It's steel cased, fine in rifles but not in handguns.

I was at the range with a fellow 1911 shooter during a bowling pin shoot. When it was his turn to go his gun started jamming left and right. Literally, he had to clear the action 3 times in one magazine. On his way back out I got a look at his ammunition bin and sure enough, it was Wolf ammunition.

[2ksportny]

I am not sure if the firing pin made contact, when I pulled the trigger I really didn't get much of any noise plus there were other guns going off so I couldn't really hear it even if it did? I was not happy about bringing it home like that but the range guys felt confident that it was ok to take home. I have it in the case it came with pointing towards the ground. This way if it does fire it will go through the floor into my living room & into the ground. Nobody is going to be downstairs tonight & it is in the corner of the room directly above our china hutch.:eek:

[Optical Serenity]

Wolf ammo or not it shouldn't jam. i've never had any problems with Wolf in my Glock, but its kinda funny, cause the Glock armorer in our dept will not let us use Wolf.

[Half-Price Assassin]

Just buy some cheap blaser brass, or winchester white box at walmart. dont shoot Wolf ammo, lifes too short to use that stuff. I used some in my GLOCK 22 (when i use to own a GLOCK 22), never had a problem. wolf ammo is bad, i had 4 jams, YES I SAID 4 JAMS with it when i was shooting it through my USPc 9mm. the round wouldnt fit all the way into the chamber when i was using it. so just stick to cheap walmart ammo and you will be fine.

[epr105]

I am supprised by the jam! I have a 19 and a 26 and have put all kinds of stuff through them... Even my screwed up reloads with high seated low seated bullets. Low primers over seated. Never a failure to chamber or fire. I wonder if the wolf stuff was sized correctly? This is a dangerous situation as you well know. I hope that the gunsmith can come up with something. Let us know what happens.
EPR105

[stevelyn]

It's not likely a gun problem. I would bet you got a round that was seriously out of spec.

[45SuperBob]

I had the same thing happen to me with my G34. I was shooting some junk reloads I got from a guy(bad idea, dont shoot other people reloads) and the gun locked up like the slide and barrel were welded together. The only way I could get it apart was to get a tiny flat head screwdriver and put it between the back of the barrel and slide, right at the extractor. It opened real easily by prying it open.

The brass near the rim was way out of speck, like the guy had fired a massively hot load, then reloaded the ammo without resizing it. Is it the old laquered Wolf ammo? I bet it has a huge drop of laquer on the back if so.

[RsqVet]

I have personally had wolf jam an AR15 and Mini14 (both clean, oiled guns well within spec) as well so I would blame wolf first and second, glock only after all the ammo related causes are ruled out. I'd like ot know the gunsmith's aproach to this problme as well.

[ffxmike]

I've only had my glock jam once, and that was with one of the 31 (or whatever) round mags. and it wasn't really a jam, more of a stovepipe.

As for By the way, I would stay away from Wolf handgun ammunition. It's steel cased, fine in rifles but not in handguns.

Why would it be okay for my rifle, and not my pistol? Is the steel in my pistol somehow more susceptible to wear than the steel in my rifle? Unless you simply mean com-bloc rifles only. But even so. I hear a lot of people saying "don't use wolf" and no one can ever give me a solid answer as to why, except for conjecture that it may or may not break extractors & wear other parts quicker.

[Handy]

This sounds like a squib - the round is lodged between the casing and the rifling.

It has nothing to do with the gun.

[stephen426]

As mentioned by 45SuperBob, it could be a problem with the lacquer they put on it to make the bullets "water proof". My fingers turned yellowish brown from handeling it and I'm already naturally "yellow" since I'm asian :eek: :D .

If the round doesn't go off for more than a few minutes, I think most people would feel it is safe to call it a dud. If the brass was out of spec or the lacquer kept the round from properly being seated in the breech, it might not have even struck the primer, as the slide would not have been in the fully closed position.

In most fail to fire circumstances, I would wait a minute, drop the mag, and then try to eject the round. If it is stuck in the breech, I would see if the primer was actually struck. If it looks like a light strike, I would try to shoot it once more. If the round still does not go off and is lodged in the barrel, I would disassemble the gun, take a wooden dowel, and stick it in the muzzle to pop out the round. I can't imagine that a round would get so well lodged that it couldn't be removed that way.

One other thing to look at... are you sure that it was a .40 round you put in there? I had a buddy of mine accidentally load a 9mm round in my Sig P229 and it actually went off. The case was all expanded and stuff but I was able to eject it.

Good luck and stay away from Wolf ammo. You can usually find 9mm ammo in Walmart for around $10 per 100 which works out to $.10 a pop. I don't think you can get much cheaper than that. I hate CCI Blazers both with the aluminum and brass casings. They are the dirtiest ammo I have EVER shot and I get unburnt powder junk all over my arms. I'd rather pay just a fraction more to get a better round.

[2ksportny]

I am going to head to the gunsmith in about 1hr so I will let you all know what happens. thanks for all the replies.

[jonathon]

I've had similiar jams with surplus 9mm and surplus 7.62x25, but never with new ammo..

I would highly suggest contacting Wolf about it. I doubt your gun will need to go back, sounds like the cartridge was just a bit larger than spec, and force of the recoil spring jammed it in the chamber. With a heavy spring this can be a real pain in the ass depending on how bad it's jammed..

Is your Glock "decocked"? This is definatly something that a professional should handle, just due to the nature of Glocks.

[superpelly]

Squib load, not enough powder in cardrige.

[Ac1d0v3r1d3]

why would a squib load jam the case in the barrel?

[Te Anau]

Wolf ammo=bad
Only if its being used in a pansy gun like a Kimber or AR-15.Wolf normally works great and if my Hi-Point has no issues with it,no gun should.

[Detective_Special]

I had a similar jam in my G17 during an indoor IPSC match. The gun jammed up by not going into fulll battery. The culprit was an improperly sized case, ammo which was reloaded and sold by the club I shoot. After inspecting my other ammo, I found at least 6 more improperly sized cases out of the 200 rds I had with me. Needless to say I don't buy ammo from my club anymore, but rather buy the Winchester White box. Actually, the WWB was about the same price and it's new factory ammo.

[HappyGunner]

I would give it a good shooting with WWB or other quality range Ammo. If you have another jam I would send it back to Glock.;)

[281 Quad Cam]

Sounds like a squib...

Primer fired, but little or no powder, Bullet barely moved, but enough that it is lodged in both the barrel, and the case. You need a strong man with the kung fu grip to rack the slide. Or to see if you can pry it open in some way... Than for the love of god dissassemble it and make sure there is no obstruction in the barrel.

I've heard several stories that are similiar, and all involved barrel obstructions. Wolf isn't bad ammo because perfectly good wolf jams your gun. Wolf is bad ammo because they have a higher rate of bad rounds making it out of the factory. In addition the lacquer coating on it gets hot and can help cases stick inside your gun, even without squib loads.

That said.... I ONLY shoot wolf in my SKS. Rifles are big strong units, bolts are easily kicked open with your foot, the extractors are stronger and don't mind ripping bulged steel cases out of the chamber.

[Rivers]

The "break in" of your Glock (they don't require one) has nothing to do with your jam. Wolf ammo has everything to do with your jam. It doesn't matter if 10,000 people post in this thread and tell you that they've fired tens of thousands of rounds of Wolf through their Glocks; your problem is a stuck Wolf round.

The fix is quite simple: If the extractor has engaged the rim (and there's no reason to believe that it hasn't), just place the lower front of the slide against an immovable wooden object, like a board on a rear deck, and rap the rear of the pistol's grip sharply with the open palm of your hand. The stuck round will extract and your problem will be solved. Whaddaya think a gunsmith is going to do, cut the slide with a torch? :D

[Handy]

The smith is likely going to tap the nose of the bullet with a wood dowel to get it reseated in the case. That's what you do with squibs.


A technique that doesn't have the potential to crack the extractor, which your idea may.

[2ksportny]

Well I brought it into the gun smith where I bought it from. As soon as I told him I had a jam & it was wolf ammo he took the gun flipped it up towards the cieling & took a rubber mallet lightly hit the slide back & the round casing came flying out. He knew it was not a live round, which I thought it was live but it was not, thankfully. So I went out & bought my self a rubber mallet & new ammo. I picked up blazer brass 165 grain, nice clean ammo. He was also telling me that he gets a lot of jams with wolf because the rounds are so dirty that after shooting them for awhile your feed ramp gets filled with crap which does not allow for proper ejection. He was telling me he sells alot of wolf ammo because people like to save money when shooting targets, this is just 1 downfall to saving a buck or two. The round was not a squib or to large just really dirty & if I don't want this same problem again using this ammo I should clean the gun after every 50 rds or just spend $1 more on blazer or winchester. I would rather spend the extra $1 for a clean round then deal with the wolf ammo. I have 50rds left of it then that is it.

[gdeal]

U know this is why I don't want to get a pistol and just stick with revolvers. But then again wolf ammo??????????????????????

[Rivers]

Once again, Handy, thanks for the great advice! Looks like the smith used a rubber mallet, as opposed to a piece of wood. Great minds think alike. :cool: Any idiot would know that the rim would tear through before the extractor broke.

Oh, yeah, I hereby claim "last word," again. :)

[Handy]

You - some guy on the internet who hasn't even looked down the barrel, but is suggesting using force.

Gunsmith - a trained professional who examined the weapon before hitting it with a block of wood.



If it had been a squib, as several people suggested, hitting it would be a bad idea. As it was (it appears) lacquer, the smith did one of the four things that would get it loose. His wasn't my first choice, due to Glock's brittle extractors, but it was expediant.

[Fremmer]

Any idiot would know that the rim would tear through before the extractor broke.


Well, I guess that means that I'm not an idiot, because I didn't know that, and I would have taken the gun to a Smith too. :D

[Handy]

Nor is it true. Glock extractors have been known to chip on brass cases. This one was steel.

[Rivers]

Mild steel; Glock extractors don't chip unless some d.a. loads a round in the chamber, then drops the slide.

Having not only looked down a few barrels, but also being able to read and understand the English language, I had enough information from the thread to make a sensible recommendation. Also have cleared several jammed Glocks. Using force on the front of the slide via a block of wood is THE therapeutic fix for the stated problem.

Last word, now Handy; would help if you were correct SOME of the time!:cool:

Oh, yeah, doubtful that his "local gunsmith" has an I.Q. within 50 pts. of mine.

[Fireatwill]

2K,
I had the same problem with my Walther P99. I was using Brown Bear or Silver Bear, I don't remember which. It is a little scary. The unfired bullet was stuck in the barrel, couldn't move the slide or the mag. I took it to a gunsmith. I guess he pounded on the bullet from the muzzle end and got the ammo out. Now I use only factory quality ammo. Never had another problem. When I reported the problem on this forum, someone said it was my own fault for using cheap ammo. Don't look for sympathy here.:) :rolleyes:

[mattliedy]

wolf ammo no good!!!:barf:

[Handy]

Oh, yeah, doubtful that his "local gunsmith" has an I.Q. within 50 pts. of mine.What does your profound IQ have to do with diagnosing the type of problem here?

How did you know it wasn't a squib?


I'm certain that everyone would benefit from understanding how you took so little data and accurately figured out the type of failure. We all might not have the IQ to do it, but we can at least bask in your glow.


Do you have any data to show that a Glock extractor will tear apart a mild steel case rim? Thanks.

[alston73]

I wouldn't ever use reloads in any gun.

[OBIWAN]

"it was my own fault for using cheap ammo"

I, for one, would never make judements about other peoples economic status and its effect on their choice of ammo.

However......

It always seems like those that have the most problems and yell the loudest are also those that will feed garbage to their weapons to save $.05

Don't even get me started on the cheap aftermarket mags...even our own military is guilty of that!

I am certain this does not apply to anyone here

But it is still true:D

Would you put $15.00 retread tires on your car and still expect to go 30,000 miles:confused:

PS: Handy is not perfect....but he is right a lot more than he is wrong...pay attention!

[stephen426]

2k,

Blazer Brass is NOT clean ammo. Do yourself a favor and buy some Winchester White Box for comparison or even some Remington UMC. I get crap all over my arm with Blazers, with both the aluminum casings and the brass casings. My guess is either un-burnt powder or something like that.

[2ksportny]

Rivers: Nothing like being full of your self I guess. The gunsmith I brouht my gun to is not only where I bought it from but he is also a certified Glock distributor & repair center, so I trust that my gun was in good hands when he cleared it out.


As for blazer brass not being a clean round, well I guess I will shoot them & find out, I have never used blazer in the glock before, they never seemed dirty in my rifle loads. I have used the winchester white box before & he sells a lot of it there I just decided to go with the blazer to try something different that was not super cheap.