View Full Version : Old .45 caliber Top Break

November 26, 2005, 10:23 PM
I have a top break .45 caliber hand gun with British proof marks and made
in Spain. The grips look to be made of horn. It also had a lanyard ring on it
at one time. This not a Webley but it is about the same size.
The proof marks are on the barrel and each chamber of the cylinder.
The proof marks are a crown over a V and a crown over a cp.

Any information on this would be appreciated

Jim Watson
November 26, 2005, 11:04 PM
As best I recall without rummaging through some books, the British were short enough of sidearms in WW I that they authorized use of such Spanish revolvers in .455 with characteristics of Webley and Smith & Wesson. In those days, officers bought their own sidearms and pretty much anything that would handle issue ammunition would be ok. They also bought S&W Hand Ejectors in .455, both the New Century (Triple Lock) and Second Model. No doubt a lot of Canadians brought along their New Service Colt .455s.

Mike Irwin
November 27, 2005, 01:50 AM
it appears to be a close copy of a Smith & Wesson Frontier Double Action.

November 28, 2005, 12:34 AM
Mike... I am a noob to TFL I have seen your posts and wondered how you could get 14k posts, now I understand.:D

Mike Irwin
November 28, 2005, 10:29 PM
I have NO clue what happened there...

T. O'Heir
December 4, 2005, 02:32 AM
"...No doubt a lot of Canadians brought along their New Service Colt .455s..." Hi, Jim. It's unlikely. Our military was under funded then too. When W.W. I started, our militia officers were told to have their swords sharpened.

December 4, 2005, 03:06 PM
I think your computer has a broken sear.

James K
December 4, 2005, 07:24 PM
The revolver was made by Garate, Anitua & Co., of Eibar, Spain. In November, 1915, the British, desperate for pistols to use in trench warfare, ordered .455 caliber revolvers from Garate & Anitua and from Trocaola, Aranzabal & Co, both of Eibar. The guns are nearly identical except for the trademarks in the grips, but I think that one is a GA&Co, gun. (If so, the grip marking should be a stylized "GACo".) The British bought 45,000 guns from the two companies before cancelling the contracts in 1917. The Spanish revolvers were numerous enough that the British gave them an official nomenclature, Pistol, .455, Old Pattern, No. 1 Mark I.

The grips are hard rubber, or what is called "gutta percha", not horn.

In the 1950's when England imposed strict civilian gun control, many of those guns were confiscated and sold here, along with some that were still in military depots. AFAIK, none were used in WWII.


Johnny Guest
December 7, 2005, 04:39 PM
That's the second Quadruple Tap I've adjusted in the past few minutes. Different members, too. :p

Jim K - - Looks like you nailed this one, too. Always pleasing to see such detailed information on esoterica.