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Zorro
November 8, 2005, 02:28 AM
OK so I have had enough of 7-XXX Magnum is Superior to a 30-06 BS.

And here is the Truth.

Marksmanship is what hits the target.

I don't care if you have a Nuke to bag a local White Tail. YOU STILL NEED TO TARGET THE NUKE!

Fancy guns and ultimate cartridges = Losers.

Rifles are a SKILL you have to learn, not buy at the Gun Shop!

So.. Buy a .22 and use it often!

tINY
November 8, 2005, 04:09 AM
That's right, I have no trouble killing a white tail with my 22. Or course, you have to hit it in the eye.....



-tINY

wayne in boca
November 8, 2005, 05:24 AM
Super guns DO exist,I've seen them right on TV.Just saw a guy with a Beretta 92F fire three rounds at a fleeing car.It flipped four times end over end,and exploded in a huge fireball.

Impact of Reason
November 8, 2005, 08:02 AM
That's right, I have no trouble killing a white tail with my 22. Or course, you have to hit it in the eye.....



tINY- i think he meant buy a .22 to do lots of target practice and develope good marksmanship skills. not to hunt deer...

Olaf
November 8, 2005, 08:05 AM
Here ! Here ! I quite agree.......

rugerdude
November 8, 2005, 08:10 AM
WHAT?!?! How am I gonna shoot deer at 900 meters+ without using my 7mm ultra super mega magnum?!?!

How do you expect me to put down a whitetail if the round i'm using won't penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank?!

exoduster16
November 8, 2005, 08:48 AM
uuuummmmmm......what sort of megatons of output of energy are looking at on the nuke? Just wondering, because you really don't have to be accurate with one. The radiation and radioactive fallout will take care of anything that survived the blast (only cockroaches and Cher could survive the nuclear blast!!) You just don't want to be around the general area when one goes off.......Sorry I couldn't resist posting all of this.

You are right in all of this. Marksmanship and shot placement are the key to taking down an animal.

P-990
November 8, 2005, 09:06 AM
I certainly agree skill means more than caliber. One of my coworkers and I have this running game, where he comes up to me and says, "You know? I read the other day that 8 out of 10 .260 users squat to pee." To which I reply, "And the other 2 shoot better with their eyes closed than you ever have. Care to find out which group I belong to?" :D Of course, I do egg him on when I bring in a target or two that has 3 rounds in less than an 1" and say, "I can do this everyday. Somedays it goes into 1/2 an inch." :rolleyes:

And don't get me started on the folks who think they need a .300 Magnum for whitetail at 50 yards. Or the ones who close their eyes and flinch at the range with their .308 and can't figure out why it won't shoot well. Or...

Clayfish
November 8, 2005, 09:12 AM
Not unless you have the new .989 winchester super duper short ultra magnum heat seaking recoiless incendeary tracer round from the new remington 710 ultra ss with a 42-101x75 infrared mil-dot rangefinder scope from tasco. I shot a 90lb doe last weekend at 5000 yards and didn't even have to get her processed the heat produced from the exploding round cooked her right there. All you have to do is point in the general direction of the deer and let the round do the rest of the work.

p.s. that doe never saw it coming she was at the feeder I hunt over when I shot her.

Olaf
November 8, 2005, 09:24 AM
That's nothing.....last week, I shot the biggest bull Elk ever seen on the face of the earth......the rack was 12 feet wide.....16 x 16....5000 lbs !!!
I did it with my trusty Hellfire, super short magnum missle launcher....at 16,000 yards. I didn't even have to pull the trigger...this is automatic. You just dial in the size buck or bull you want....and it does the rest ! I was reading a magazine about hunting...in my living room easy chair....when the system sent me an e-mail...telling me where I could pick up my kill. I just drove to the location in my Hummer Gigantico H99...and had the servants load up the Elk.

Whew ! That hunt was hard work ! Now, where to display the rack ???


No super guns..... indeed !!!

fal762
November 8, 2005, 09:42 AM
Yeah Yeah, them man portables are just fine. But I need help puttin' a muzzle break on my M4 Sherman, so I won't spill my hot coco while blasting that mega mutie beast of a white tail to kingdom come.

Donaldo
November 8, 2005, 12:57 PM
Anybody know any handloads for my Paladin? I'm just not getting enough energy at 40,000 meters...

Bonstrosity
November 8, 2005, 01:26 PM
I agree w/ some here in that it does take marksmanship to hit a deer out at a nice distance but you have to know your ammo. I was out deer hunting and was with a guy who took a deer at 500 yards. Yes 500. He was using a 7mm wssm. The thing is he practiced out that far. he knew how far the bullet would drop and how he'd have to adjust his scope for taking that far of a shot. So you need to be able to shoot that far but you have to know your caliber and how far it'll drop out there.

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 01:38 PM
Are you sure you meant 500 yards not 500 miles? If you meant yards I use one of my revolvers for those distances. I switch to rifles when the distances are measured in miles.

Death from Afar
November 8, 2005, 02:14 PM
You mean my .460 necked down to fire gramaphone needles isnt needed? Well, I'll be.....

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 02:39 PM
If the .22-250 seems too tame, you should try the .22-25000. The velocity is so great that it produces a vapor trail in the daytime. Sighted in at 200 yards the bullet drop only .0002 inches at 1000 yards. The bullet doesn't even hit the ground in the same county it starts in.

Bosshoff
November 8, 2005, 03:01 PM
There is nothing new out there that your trusty 30-30 can't do better.:rolleyes:

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 03:24 PM
You are joking about the .30-30 I hope. It might be adequate in your neck of the woods, but our deer are just to tough for such a weak round. The .30-30 might be boderline for some of our smaller chipmunks, but of course only within the cartridge's effective range. Ten yards, if your a good shot, maybe twelve yards, if you can place the shot on a vital area of the chipmunk.

czc3513
November 8, 2005, 03:26 PM
I hunt deer with a .22. It takes about 50 shots to take it down though. :D

Leif
November 8, 2005, 03:48 PM
But, but, I thought all my guns were super, but nobody else's were? Are you telling me they aren't? :( ... :D

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 04:11 PM
Real super guns take about one or two canisters of smokeles poder to make one reload. A pulley is required to help seat the bullet. If your round doesn't require those steps, then it is not really a super round.

Limeyfellow
November 8, 2005, 04:17 PM
A 7mm magnum is not what I call a supergun.

Now this is more like it.

http://www.melkon.lv/ru/gal/nelson/22.jpg

Mikeyboy
November 8, 2005, 04:25 PM
You are joking about the .30-30 I hope. It might be adequate in your neck of the woods, but our deer are just to tough for such a weak round. The .30-30 might be boderline for some of our smaller chipmunks, but of course only within the cartridge's effective range. Ten yards, if your a good shot, maybe twelve yards, if you can place the shot on a vital area of the chipmunk.

Your joking right??? You guys kill me, I was the guy in the PA woods hunting whitetail with a 30/30 lever with Iron sights, sometimes with a 3x to 9x scope and get funny looks. I would come out with a deer , while these nimrods who go hunting with 30/06, 7mm, or 308 bolt actions with freakin sniper scopes would come out empty handed. Out of 6 deer all but one dropped with one shot, the one that didn't I took a stupid shot and hit him in the gut, but I tracked him and found him about 100 yard away, bleeding to death. Most of my shots were anywhere from 50 to 100 yards sometimes thru branches. 20 yards....you should be able to anything with any rifle at 20 yards. When I was 8, I could hit tin cans with a BB gun at that distance. By the way I know an old man that would poach deer with a spotlight and a .22 rifle. It can be done with one shot, but it takes talent.

Bender711
November 8, 2005, 04:27 PM
a true super gun, fires white 8-10lb projectiles (bout the size of a jack o' lantern) up to nearly a mile! any one know what im talking about?

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 04:32 PM
Now, that might work for California deer. That is if you can get a clean broadside shot, I wouldn't risk any odd angle shot though.

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 04:38 PM
Your Pennsylvania deer do not have ready access to BALCO products. I suppose a .30-30 would do. Our California deer would put a whooping on you if took a shot at them with such a light weapon. We have guys here taking to the woods with .30-378 Weatherby Magnums going after them. They ususally carry a couple of hundred rounds each, so a confrontation with a deer should go well. They might even get lucky and catch it with multiple shooters in a good crossfire. Come hunt our deer if you've got the guts.

Varmint Eviscerator
November 8, 2005, 04:38 PM
the best is my spitball gun, sends a .2 grain ball at a scorching 100fps,now thats a super gun, you guys dont have nuthin':D
Chase
took an elk at 2000yrds with it yesterday as a matter of fact:eek:

yoippari
November 8, 2005, 05:43 PM
I believe this article sums it up nicely.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/adequate_elk_cartridges.htm

1BadF350
November 8, 2005, 05:55 PM
:D :D Oh my God I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard how do you guys come up with this stuff.:D :D

Bender711...been chunkin' lately?;)

exoduster16
November 8, 2005, 05:58 PM
PUMPKIN CHUNKIN......HELL YEAH!!! That's some fun stuff. Potato guns anyone? LOL

Death from Afar
November 8, 2005, 06:24 PM
A very eccentric friend of mine- who has an awesome machine gun collection- Vickers, Maxims, MG08's etc- is heavilly into Medieval Siege engines (!!) , and for laughs has an life sized Trebuchet in his back paddock. He entertains us- after a few beers of course- by flinging dead sheep:eek: :barf: or paint pails filled with concrete 100's of yards. His next move is to make a ballista to throw car axles a kilometre or so....:eek:

Leif
November 8, 2005, 06:43 PM
Ah yes ... Pumpkin Chunkin, the queen of shooting sports.

"I love the smell of squashed pumpkin and compressed air in the morning ..."

A fun time and highly recommended to those who've never been.

C Philip
November 8, 2005, 07:53 PM
What is the point of a short magnum rifle round? I don't mean to insult anyone who has a rifle chambered for a short magnum round, I'm just asking because I honestly have no idea of the benefits of a short mag. I read that they are supposed to be more accurate that longer magnum rounds, is this really true? Also, an article I came across said that short mags give the benefit of working in a shorter action. What does this mean? Does it just mean you don't have to work the bolt over as long a distance because the round is shorter? That just seems like a silly argument for the short mag.

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 07:59 PM
They are currently working on a super, micro magnum. It has the profile of a frisbee. It is almost flat and launches a small bullet at a kazzilion feet per second. The bolt of the rifle needs to only be moved a quarter of an inch to cycle a round. The only drawback is that the scope rings have to be very tall.

Olaf
November 8, 2005, 08:43 PM
I've seen that prototype round. The case is 10" in diameter (at the base) x 2.25" long....firing a 7 grain, 1.2 mm bullet (0.050", to be exact). It's called the .05 WSSSSSSSSSSM. Quite a scorching round. Requires 16,100 grains of powder, for a normal load. Alas, however, they are having problems with it. First, as roy said, the scope rings have to be rather high. Next, the receiver is a bit bulky...at least in width. Resizing the case is a bit tough with a hand press. Extraction and ejection is a bit of a problem. Finally, the recoil is just a bit on the stout side.

Oh well, they'll sort it out. Can't wait to get one.

Cowled_Wolfe
November 8, 2005, 08:55 PM
What about the Iraqi supergun? :D

Varmint Eviscerator
November 8, 2005, 09:16 PM
In all seriousness, a friend is willing to sell a browning a bolt in the 325wsm, does it have feeding probs? I know its really accurate(1moa) but aside from its accuracy and power what else is there to know
Chase

roy reali
November 8, 2005, 11:03 PM
Up until now small arms cartridges have been cylindrical shaped. They have been stretched and shrunk. We are reaching the point of having done just about everything possible. But a new development will give experimentors something new to work with.

The next big thing is square cartridge cases. Think of the possibilities and advantages. Reloaders won't have to worry about their cases rolling off their bench. The recievers of hunting rifles can be made flat. Imagine the ease of scope mounting. Once square has run its course we could look forward octagon shaped ammo and the triangle can't be that far off.

The possibilities are endless.

Mikeyboy
November 9, 2005, 11:05 AM
Your Pennsylvania deer do not have ready access to BALCO products. I suppose a .30-30 would do. Our California deer would put a whooping on you if took a shot at them with such a light weapon. We have guys here taking to the woods with .30-378 Weatherby Magnums going after them. They ususally carry a couple of hundred rounds each, so a confrontation with a deer should go well. They might even get lucky and catch it with multiple shooters in a good crossfire. Come hunt our deer if you've got the guts.

Your Deer are big and dumb, and (gulp) I ain't scared of them. Our deer are small and sneaky. Sneak up behind you and steal your wallet.

Death from Afar
November 9, 2005, 02:13 PM
a friend is willing to sell a browning a bolt in the 325wsm, does it have feeding probs? I know its really accurate(1moa) but aside from its accuracy and power what else is there to know
Chase

Aside from the excessive recoil, massive muzzle blast, short barrel life and expensive ammo? ;)

grumbles
November 12, 2005, 11:21 PM
cher, cockroach
differnce??????

rapier144
November 13, 2005, 03:24 PM
I beg to differ super guns do exist a buddy of mine had one it said so on the slide. It said springfield 45 super on it:D i beleive there even may have been a slightly smaller one call a 38 super:D

WhiteFeather93
November 13, 2005, 09:35 PM
No no no. You are all wrong. Shooting things takes way to much ammo and energy save it for the range. I just go out the night before buck and lay down some claymores and pot52 telle mines. The next day I walk into the woods and harvest the kills. :D

Jseime
November 13, 2005, 09:57 PM
id say that my ideal white tail gun is a 105mm howitzer. i just aim at the bush and hope that there are enough tags around to put one on all the deer in there. its also an effective way to clear sloughs for farming.

but seriously how many of us need to shoot a deer over 100 yards. if you arent sneaky enough to get within at least 200 just go home and buy an X-box.

keep the .30-30 your grandpa passed down and learn how to hunt like he did, youll have more fun than popping off rounds at 1000 yard distant bambi anyway.

stratus
November 13, 2005, 10:37 PM
Unless you count one of these. (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/supergun.htm) I got me one in mah backyard!

Dante690
November 14, 2005, 10:07 PM
Why do you need to get worked up over something like this? It's someones opinion...it may get old but we all have to deal with it. Is it really THAT annoying?

garryc
November 15, 2005, 12:51 AM
Who was it that said;" A bee-bee gun that hits its target is more effective than a cannon that misses"?
Here’s the secret formula for success;
A good rifle of adequate power + a proven bullet + lots of ammo + regular realistic practice + the patience to wait for a good shot=SUCCESS
I don't see a super mag adding much to that formula