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JlazyH
September 22, 2005, 04:22 PM
Just picked this little guy up at a pawn shop. It is a LLama 380 and came with 3 mags. Got it for $150. Think it will make a great summer carry gun, but I can't find any info on it. Does anyone know what model it is, and does LLama still make it?
Thanks, Jess
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7480/dscf025813dj.jpg

res1b3uq
September 22, 2005, 04:37 PM
I hate to drop this on you, but Llama has closed it's doors, as have Star and Astra. I have a newer model .380 called a micromax. It is basicly the same gun without the top rail. I just tried to pull up the parts website and got an error message,so if you need parts, check the Bersa-Llama Firestorm website, maybe they can help you.

JR47
September 22, 2005, 04:39 PM
I believe that it was the Model IX. Parts are also available from the Gun Parts Corp/ Numrich Arms. If the little fellow likes the hollowpoints, have at it. Some of them, especially the early models, weren't set up to feed anything but FMJ. :)

JlazyH
September 22, 2005, 06:53 PM
Well I don't need any parts,YET. The little gun is almost mint. Never owned a LLama before but fell in love with this little guy, and the price.

tipoc
September 22, 2005, 08:20 PM
Try here: www.bersa-llama.com

google and reading are useful things.

tipoc

citizen
September 22, 2005, 08:46 PM
.....I, myself almost bought one NIB last week. Blued(?) for <$225.....didn't know Llama closed.....for once I think I was wise to hesitate.

packa45
September 22, 2005, 11:43 PM
I have a MicroMax. It's a cool little gun, no problems in 5 years but I've found it likes winchester silvertips and speer HP and not much else besides FMJ.

michael t
September 23, 2005, 12:30 AM
That is a older one I belive. Is it like a mini 1911a1 on take down or blow back. The mini 1911 is the perfered one and is a very good carry gun. Not all Llama's are junk no matter what so people think. I would test with new Corbon 380DPX when they come out and then you will be set.

JlazyH
September 23, 2005, 08:25 AM
The gun is a dead ringer of a 1911a1. That is what turned me on to buy it.

Lou22
September 23, 2005, 09:43 AM
I had one very similar to it back in the 70's. I believe it was also a 380. Fun little gun to shoot. If I could find another for what you'd paid, I'd buy it in a minute.

Lou

nasty habit
September 23, 2005, 10:08 AM
I have one of them.Older I think.On the slide says "llama" especial.Frame, stoeger arms.Its blue.Shot 50 rounds round nose monday.No problems at all.Fits my hand like it was made for it.

michael t
September 23, 2005, 11:46 AM
For those worried about parts . Well I have a Colt Mustang and parts are about all gone for them. Yet people pay $450 and up to own a pistol.You can only find a few new parts for. Its a American made Colt and yet Colt doesn't even support it any more. I would have jumped on the Llama at that price.

res1b3uq
September 23, 2005, 04:18 PM
I called Corbon about running PowerBall in mine. They said no problem. Since it has the plastic ball in the front, there is no feeding problem with this ammo. Due to the cost, I only use it when I am carrying the gun. (I have checked it out at the range, though, it is potent.)

JlazyH
September 23, 2005, 08:10 PM
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8445/dscf026810xb.jpgHere is another shot of this little gun. I can find the 380 nickel but it dosen't look like this one. The others I see don't have the little vent/rib deal on it. So I still can't find the model. All that is marked on the gun is LLama on one side, and Stoeger Inds. on the other, with S. Hackensack,Nj

sceva
September 24, 2005, 04:22 PM
They aren't bad pistols, I had a blued one in the mid 80's. The older ones were locked breach but starting in the early 80's they switched to blowback. I am betting that your's is a blowback pistol. Mine shot well but would not handle silvertips well.

michael t
September 25, 2005, 12:34 AM
Lets see a picture of it broke down See how close really is to 1911 I don't think it a blowback

doncameron
September 25, 2005, 06:39 AM
Looks almost like mine, you will find out that it is a great shooter and a good
ccw! look on the frame right above the trigger on the left side, their should
be a couple of symbols then a letter and a number, that is the proof mark
(date code) post it and I'll tell you the year it was manufactured!

I've had mine going on 10 years, fired hard-ball ammo and HP's with no problems. Going on 20,000 rounds and only had 3 stovepipe jams.

Magyar
September 25, 2005, 07:13 AM
The ventilated sight rib on your .380 & .45's make these pistols "elegante".
No Llama bashing here, love my Llama....Give us a range report....

JlazyH
September 25, 2005, 10:51 AM
Here it is taken down. This little gun has a very heavy recoil spring. I mean HEAVY. Probably will never find a lighter one. What would be the chances of cutting back 1 or 2 coils? :rolleyes: This would lighten it up a little. Or does this gun need the heavy spring?
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8566/dscf027613it.jpg

JlazyH
September 25, 2005, 11:10 AM
DONCAMERON-there is no way I can read the code on this, so here is a picture of it. What does is mean?
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/223/dscf028618zd.jpg

Magyar
September 25, 2005, 11:21 AM
If you view this upside down, it appears to be V 1= 1977
This coincides with the approximate time line of the ventilated sight rib..FWIW...
I assume you haven't fired it yet? If this is as LNIB as you say, why would you change the recoil spring/anything at this point?

doncameron
September 25, 2005, 11:31 AM
unless it's an I1 (made in 1963) can't really tell for sure.......sorry

JlazyH
September 25, 2005, 11:34 AM
The spring isn't a major problem other than I have really bad arthritus in my hands and it's hard to rack.

doncameron
September 25, 2005, 12:38 PM
If you view it upside down the other symbols would be upside down.

recommend you take it to a good gunsmith and have them check it out.

JlazyH
September 25, 2005, 12:41 PM
I will, thanks. Oh buy the way it shoots great.

michael t
September 25, 2005, 02:03 PM
I belive yours is the blow back and you need the heavy spring or it won't work proper. These aren't shoot 500 rounds a day at range guns. shoot enough to satisfiey its reliable and carry . Then a few rounds a mo to keep in pactice I shoot my Mustang couple hundred rounds a year. PPK/S a box a mo. My 45's get shot more their also more enjoyable to shoot. Pocket guns to me are not target guns.

doncameron
September 26, 2005, 03:49 PM
Glad to hear it shoots good!

t4thfavor
September 13, 2010, 04:52 PM
This is what the 1963 markings look like, I know it's an old thread, but what can you guys tell me about this 1911. I just got it from my father, who purchased it new in 1963 in Spain.

Magyar
September 13, 2010, 07:17 PM
Can you reduce the resolution on your camera so we can get a better over-all look? Perhaps the 640 x 480.. Thanks...

t4thfavor
September 13, 2010, 08:53 PM
This is an overall shot of the weapon, I took the picture of the date code earlier to show that the I1 code was not the same as the one shown above. I figured that resurrecting this old thread would be my best bet to get some info on the oldie.

Thanks,

Jack Bauer
September 13, 2010, 09:03 PM
Looks kind of like one I had back in the '70s. It was my first and only accidental discharge...racked the slide to chamber a round, flipped up the thumb safety, and the hammer dropped and fired the gun. Only damage was to a door frame, and no, I did NOT have my finger on the trigger...I did not keep mine. I wish you better luck with yours...

t4thfavor
September 13, 2010, 09:26 PM
This one has had lots of rounds through it as my dad shot on the USN marksman team for a while before Vietnam stopped all the fun. It was purchased for 33USD in 1963.

I shot a few mags through it, and have had no problems.

It also appears to be a more "exact" clone of the colt 1911 as all the parts I have seen appear to be exact (I know they probably need help to fit)

From what I gather, any Llama made after 1968 is something to stay away from.

That said, I will probably be keeping this one as a family heirloom rather than carrying it, but if the need should arise, I'm fairly certain it will do the job.

NWCP
September 14, 2010, 03:04 AM
I wouldn't go chopping up the spring, or doing anything else to alter your Llama. They are a small knock off of the 1911 and for the money work just fine. I've owned a couple and still have one that was built in the early '70s. I don't carry it, but picked it up on the cheap for old times sake. It still functions well and does what it's supposed to do every time I pull the trigger.

larryh1108
September 14, 2010, 06:57 AM
I probably have 10 Llamas from the .22 up to the .45 and every size in between. I laugh when the gun snobs run away from them because it means I can pick them up for $175-$300. Like any other gun, if you maintain it and keep it clean it should treat you fine. Like all mfgs, they have their share of problem children and Llama may have a bigger share than most. That doesn't mean the line is junk but it does mean that you can end up with a bad one more than you might with a "name brand". So, you have a 9 in 10 chance of getting a good one instead of a 9.8 chance in 10 (figures estimated) but the chances do favor you.

The .45 uses standard 1911 springs. The .45, .40, .38 Super and 9mm all take standard 1911 mags. Many parts interchange with the 1911. There is a sticky showing what does and does not exchange. Like any parts change you may need a gunsmith to fit but the modification is usually mild.

All in all, the Llama is a nice way to buy a 1911 clone if your budget is limited or if you want a truck gun that is fun to shoot as well. Most run away from them and I run to them. I'd put my Llamas up against most production 1911s any day. I have no issues with parts breaking or the soft steel urban legend. I do happen to sell used Llama parts so having a supply on hand helps but like I said I've had no breakages of any kind.

Just my opinion. Yours may vary.

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9x19
September 14, 2010, 02:40 PM
The small frame Llamas came three chamberings:

Model XV - .22 LR

Model XA - .32 ACP

Model IIIA - .380 ACP

The early IIIAs were locked breech, but the later models were simple blow-back like the XVs and XAs. The magazines changed some as well from the very early models to the later ones.

bubbadad
September 16, 2010, 08:22 PM
I have one that was made in spain with out raised rail that is listed as a model III-a they also made them in 45,32,and 22.:)

larryh1108
September 16, 2010, 08:48 PM
Llama has made quite a few calibers. In the large frame they made .45ACP, .40S&W, 38 Super, 9mm Parabellum & 9mm Largo. In the small frame they made the .22 short, .22LR, .25ACP, .32ACP and .380ACP.

Smilin Jack
September 17, 2010, 06:49 AM
Llama is out of business however if you're looking for parts check with Reynersons Gunsmithing Services in Baton Rouge LA 225-261-4860. They had some of their guns for sale a while back and I understand they also bought out their parts. Great people to deal with.