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mathman
April 20, 2005, 11:39 PM
I'm not trying to start a debate and I know this is a very general question, but here goes...

If you had to have one bolt action rifle to do it all...target, hunt, etc..., what make and caliber would you choose? Also, what scope (make and power) would you put on it?

Personally, I think that a .308 in a Rem 700 or Win 70 with a Leupold 3x9 is hard to beat.

What is your choice?

yekimak
April 21, 2005, 12:27 AM
.300 or .338 winmag, or .30-06, or .308, or .270....or something along those lines....Action is not that big of deal to me, and I guess a good 3-9x scope....

Samuel2001
April 21, 2005, 12:54 AM
Well, thats a loaded question!
But I would go with a Win. Coyote in .308win. The reason is it has a medium contour barrel that splits the dif. between a heavy barrel and a light barrel. And the .308 is heavy enough for most game and/or two legged vermin. I would probably top it with a leupold 3-9x40 tactical scope with a duplex reticle. :)

rugerdude
April 21, 2005, 07:16 AM
Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 in .303 with a nikon 4x40 scope.

grey_pilgrim
April 21, 2005, 07:52 AM
Budget: Savage F111LH -- 30-06, scope: Leupole VX III
Getting a little bit nicer: Remington 700LH, swarovski SR series scope.



However, money no object, i think i'd get a david miller custom rifle (chambered in either 30-06 or 338 win mag). I can't think of a scope worthy thats nice enough for that. Maybe one of Nightforce's "low powered" scopes.

iamkris
April 21, 2005, 08:39 AM
You'd be hard pressed to do better than a Rem 700 or Win 70 as an action. That said, a Savage or Tikka would do you fine as well.

As for 1 caliber for everything, as much as I like my 308, a 30-06 would do you better to go from coyote to moose. It can handle heavier bullets better. I love the 300 Mags (I have a 300 WSM) but they are definitely overkill for the smaller stuff.

FirstFreedom
April 21, 2005, 08:43 AM
to do it all

Define 'all'.

But if'n you're talking North America only, a turnbolt in either .280 Remington or .30-'06 Spgfld, 22" bbl. .270 win would be 3rd choice. Leupold VX3 in 2.5-10, something like that.

gak
April 21, 2005, 09:55 AM
Assuming some money but not unlimted, as an all 'rounder one of the new Remington 700 CDL (satin finish--finally!) in 30-06 with a Leupold VariX III, as someone already noted -- in 3x9. Can't believe I'm saying that as a bonafide .270 fan, but you did say only one gun...and the 06 is a more reliable choice on the occasional bigger game (i.e., elk...) hunt. Not notable particularly as a target round, I'll grant that. If that's a predominant issue, maybe the .280 Rem or 7mm Mag--better bullet choices than the .270 on elk though I wouldn't specialize in that animal with it (either). Still as the great all-time, all-rounder, wide range/type of bullet choices, ammo available everywhere, etc. = 06. Especially if someone said "Here's $500-600 and you have to decide/spend it in a half-hour" (before flames come, yes I know that was not his assumption, just making it that much more interesting! :)) The nice finish of this new Remington also makes it a nice looking piece, again not one of your criteria, but reminds you every day what a great choice, so what the hell... A close second or equal choice, Winchester Classic Featherweight in same round(s) as above. Timeless style and operation, both of them.

mathman
April 21, 2005, 02:26 PM
Is a .308 really that bad of a choice for elk? There are some 180 grain bullets made by Federal (High Energy Category) that have just a pinch less energy than a .30-06. Plus, you hear that shot placement is as important as caliber...many natives to this continent still kill elk with a 30-30.

As far as moose goes, I guess I'll concede and say that a magnum is probably best for that.

cheygriz
April 21, 2005, 02:30 PM
If you want one rifle to do it all, get a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight with synthetic stock in 30.06 and put a Kahles or Swarovski fixed power 6X42 scope on it.

The 30.06 is the most versatile cartridge available with factory bullet weights available from 110 grains to 220 grains. .30-06 ammo is available anywhere, and MilSurp is cheap for practice. Handloading allows you to go from 85 grains to 250 grains in bullet weight.

The 70 Featherweight is light, fast handling, accurate and rugged. And the model 70 action is as slick and smooth as any action made.

The 6X42 fixed scope is a near ideal compromise for magnification, and is far more rugged than variables.

Tim R
April 21, 2005, 02:38 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Cheygriz on this one. For those of you who don't think the '06 will shoot accurately, years ago I scored for Norma Zinmaster who cleaned a 600 yard target with 12 X's using a '06. This means the other 8 where 10's.

dr.magnum
April 21, 2005, 02:39 PM
Rugerdude beat me to it. Enfield, in .303.

Death from Afar
April 21, 2005, 03:09 PM
Steyr Scout in .308

unclestu
April 21, 2005, 03:34 PM
Cartridge: Hmm... .308 or .30/06? Hmm...
Rifle: I like the Winchester Model 70. For the '06, a Featherweight. For the .308, a recently discontinued Classic Compact. Hmm...
Scope: I've never had a Leupold, but sure, that sounds good to me! But power? 4X? 2-7X? 3-9X? Hmm...

OK, just to pick something: since I'll have to carry whatever I get, let's go light & simple. And since the M-70 .308 length action is ligher, How about:
Winchester Classic Compact Model 70 .308 with a Leupold 4X scope? If you must have a variable, OK, make it a Leupold 2-7X. :D And if the Classic Compact is disqualified because it's discontinued in that caliber, make it a Featherweight.

Question: Is it true that Winchester/USRAC is toying with the idea of a M-70 pseudo scout? I read somewhere that there was a pic of one in a recent gun rag(Dec '04?).

Para Bellum
April 21, 2005, 05:42 PM
Steyr Elite .308: (http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/index.php?id=103&PHPSESSID=7798be84b5720f841f9ae71d932f1a4b)

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/typo3temp/pics/50d9399bbf.jpg

mathman
April 21, 2005, 08:05 PM
comment moved to a new thread...sorry...

handwerk
April 21, 2005, 09:47 PM
Mine would be a tikka ss/syn in 7mm-mag with a leupold 3x9x40.

BusGunner007
April 22, 2005, 12:50 AM
:D
Well, if I had to run around with only ONE:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/091034.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/091039.jpg
Remington 700 POLICE in .308.
Mine has a Hogue pillar bedded stock and a Leupold Tactical 1" tube 4.5-14x40 Mil-Dot scope in Weaver Grand Slam QD rings on a Leupold Mk4 base.

A very well informed man I know said that everything in North America could be hunted with either a .308 or a .45-70.
I bought this rifle based on that theory, plus a Marlin 1895 in .45-70... :)
http://www.hunt101.com/img/125825.jpg

My .308 keeps its long bbl. because it enables it to use the 'enhanced power' ammo that approaches the base .30-06 power levels.
I strived to keep the gun as light as possible, even though it would be nose heavy with the long bbl. That was my compromise and successful mission.
Since the pic of the Marlin was taken, I've added a DRC large-loop lever; and switched the scope to a Redfield 1.5-6x20 Lo-Pro Widefield; and replaced the sighthood, which I lost on the first time out with the gun!

These two rifles, as stated by my wise friend, certainly COULD do the job.
As to the original question, I'd get the 700 POLICE and use it.
Good Luck. Good question!

LAK
April 22, 2005, 04:02 AM
A 1952 Improved Steyr carbine in 7x57mm - with a 4x scope.

IZinterrogator
April 22, 2005, 04:48 AM
The Lightweight Precision Tactical Rifle in .308 Win. See Defensive Edge (http://www.defensiveedge.net/) to check it out. Anyone got $4200 I can borrow?

stevelyn
April 22, 2005, 07:50 AM
This too easy. I consider all the bolt guns from the major makers to be of similar quality, so choosing a brand is whatever is available. I would choose a .30-06 w/ a fixed 4x scope and iron sights.

Malamute
April 22, 2005, 10:02 AM
What Stevelyn said.

mathman
April 22, 2005, 09:48 PM
I have a Remington Model 700 ADL Synthetic with a Leupold scope (3-9x) in .308 and I really like it.

I've been checking out a Winchester Featherweight...boy, those sure are nice looking guns...I wouldn't mind picking up one of those...in .308 (of course).

Moe Mentum
April 23, 2005, 09:23 PM
Rem. 700 in .308

TPAW
April 23, 2005, 11:01 PM
CHEYGRIZ......You hit the Bulls Eye! Don't go any further guys, CHEYGRIZ has said it all. Lets face it, regardless of your preferance of calibers, nothing beats the 30.06 for an ALL AROUND cartridage. Since it's inception, no other round has taken more small, medium or large game than the 30.06.
You can argue until your face turns blue, but nothing beats the 30.06!

gak
April 24, 2005, 09:47 AM
Big .270 fan here, but I have to go with TPAW on this one...unless one was to declare "I will never be hunting anything larger than mule deer" in which case I'll stick with my .270 for all the reasons noted in this thread and others why that caliber is so great--the ultimate deer (or sheep) cartridge. Back to the .308 vs .30-06 debate, if target use is a good part (at least 35-40%) of the mix and the elk hunt is only an incidental one-in-five year chance, then .308, otherwise .30-06 gets the nod.

oneeyeross
April 24, 2005, 10:25 AM
Mosin Nagant 91/30, Iron sights.

(I prefer iron sights if I can only have ONE rifle. They don't get knocked off zero as easily, they are less temperature/humidity sensitive, etc, etc.... Yes, I am a Luddite!)

mathman
April 24, 2005, 10:46 AM
Having iron sights is actually a good point...I know that I can hit a game size target with about the same lethality using iron sights to around 150 (and maybe even 200) yards. Beyond that, optics are necessary (for me).