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Bic
April 20, 2005, 06:13 AM
gotta have that model 99, dose anyone have any history on this, I've got an old farmer talked into selling, when he decides to get rid of it. .300 Savage cal. and not a mark on it. He bought it new and said he still has shells left in the original box of 20.

mtnboomer
April 20, 2005, 10:58 PM
DO NOT LET THAT GUN SLIP PAST YOU!!!! Buy it as soon as he will sell it! You will kick yourself for the rest of your life if you do! Finding an original Mod 99 in VG or better condition is getting harder and harder to do.

Here is what Gun Trader's Guide #27 says about the Savage Model 99:

Introduced in 1899,this model has been produced in a variety of styles and calibers. Original designation "Model 1899" was changed to "Model 99" c.1920. Earlier rifles and carbines - similar to Models 99A, 99B and 99H - were supplied in calibers .25-35, .30-30, .303 Sav., .32-40 and .38-55. Post-WWII Models 99A, 99C, 99CD, 99DE, 99DL, 99F and 99PE have top tang safety other 99s have slide safety on right side of trigger guard. Models 99C and 99CD have detachable box magazine instead of traditional Model 99 rotary magazine.

Hope this helps! :D

Mike Irwin
April 20, 2005, 11:18 PM
It could have been made at any time over nearly an 80 year span, in roughly 10 or so different models.

Kind of hard to give you any definitive information one way or the other.

Bic
April 21, 2005, 06:12 AM
I'll talk to him again and see if I can get the serial number and any other markings that may assist. Plus it will give me an excuse to look at it and feel it again. ( cripes, this almost sounds dirty)
I don't think I have ever felt a gun that came up to point so naturally before.

jefnvk
April 21, 2005, 10:24 AM
I wish one day to own a Savage 99. Very nice rifle, the one I shot was.

DR_MAX
April 22, 2005, 12:49 PM
I have sort of been toying with the idea of a 99. Hard to get a handle on what model/cal/etc. to get. Prices seem to vary from low $300's to multi-
$k's. Looks like they were still being made up until just a few years ago. I
don't know if newer is better or not.

timmo58
September 9, 2005, 09:14 AM
i have just joined this site my name is tim58 i own a mod 99 in .303 ,shooting this rifle is as much fun as you can have with your clothes on . what a lady ,the feel ,the smooth action, and the overall weight ,slender/ slim.. what a fine sporting rifle,to say more ,would be illeagle, mine had a .410 shot gun barrel with the rifle it was called the combo ,by city guys comming to newyork state by bus and train easily carried ,one barrel for small game ,one for big , all a guy needed to feed his family ,back in the twentys , ive researched mine some and found by going to mod 99 site .com it was made in 1922 been in my family ever since it came out of the box !here in new york state 2005 deer season will be the first ever rifle season since 1950 , and i hope to have my 99 on duty i have seen that just the rear peep being a marbles goes for 125.00 on ebay when they have em , however with the .303 at 50.00 bucks a box it costs 2.00 a shot plus .i have the dies for the brass and some brass but thats all i have found i need all the rest ? press? scale ? powder? bullets ? primers and so on and on if i could find a guy that would reload my shells or teach me how to do my own id be set ? but where do i start thats how i got to this site >> timmo58>>

rbernie
September 9, 2005, 11:23 AM
The following is a compilation of my observations in collecting Savage 99s sporadically over the last 25 years. This is not a definitive or authoritative history. After all, given a production run length of over 80 years, there are lots of variations and such.

The first Savage 99's were rated for black powder only and chambered for black powder rounds (e.g. 38-55). Those made after a certain point in time (early 20th century) were rated for smokeless powder, but only in low-pressure rounds like the 303 Savage and 30-30. Octagon barrels were popular in the early runs, but I've not seen any made after, say, WWI that had an octagonal barrel.

There was a takedown model that was popular for a while between WWI and WWII, but it appears to have been mostly chambered for the low pressure rounds. Savage introduced a few high pressure rounds like 300 Savage and 250-3000 prior to WWII, and most surviving pre-war examples are of these chamberings. You'll occasionally find a take-down in 300 Savage, but not often.

In the late 50's, Savage jumped on the 308-family bandwagon and (with supposedly minor alterations to the receiver dimensions to improve the stength of the action) began offering 308 and 243 chamberings. Somewhere in the 50's, they started drilling-n-tapping all of the receivers for scope mounts at the factory.

In 1961 (right around the one million serial number mark) they redesigned the action to move the safety from the pistol grip/trigger to the top tang, and to simplify the production and assembly of the FCG. Early post-61 units retained the brass rotary shell holder that was one of the 99 trademarks, but by the mid/late 60's Savage appeared to have changed the rotary from brass over to aluminum. I've heard that the production of the 99 was halted for a while in the 70's, but they were reintroduced in the early 80's with a drop magazine in place of the rotary magazine (again, to make it cheaper to produce).

As best I've been able to tell, the following are the Savage 99 models:

Model A - seems to be the standard model with standard weight barrel; barrel length varies by chambering
Model C - I've only seen these in the Series A re-introduced version - standard weight barrel with drop magazine
Model E - 'economy' version, all post-61 as best I can tell - missing the round counter port in the left receiver wall and with birch or maple stocks instead of walnut; otherwise identical to Model A.
Model EG - Dunno
Model F - the 'featherweight' model - thin barrel, at least a full pound lighter than the Model A
Others - there are additional model variants that have Monte carlo stocks and other such discriminators, but I'm just not all that versed in them because they're not all that common.


I have never found a reliable corrolation between model nomenclature and the stock design, i.e. whether the rifle was a straight-grip or pistol-grip and/or round forearm or schnabel forearm. For example, I've had a Model A that was a straight grip and another that was a pistol grip, and they were not all that far apart in serial number. Earlier models *mostly* had schnabel forearms and most all of the post-'61 versions that I've seen have had rounded forearms, but that's certainly not a hard-n-fast rule.

The single biggest issues to look for in any old Savage 99 is barrel pitting and stock cracks in the top of the wrist behind the receiver's top tang. For whatever reason, almost every Model F I've ever seen (even those made in the late '60's) has had a pretty badly pitted barrel. Having said that, I've got four of them right now and they all shoot MOA with pits and all. The other issue, stock cracking, is a very real issue that is a function of the receiver design. Like most two-piece stocks, the majority of the recoil force is jammed into a fairly small area where the top tang mates with the buttstock. This concentration of stress leads to cracked stocks.

Be aware that there are NO MORE PARTS for these old rifles outside of replacement stocks from folks like Boyds. If something steel on the rifle breaks, the only option is to fix it by cannibalizing parts from another rifle. Since the current Savage coporate entity is NOT the same Savage that produced these rifles, you cannot go back to Savage for any technical or parts assistance.

Still - they're neat rifles. Everybody should have at least one. :D

Crosshair
September 9, 2005, 12:01 PM
There is a model 99 in rather good condition at one of the local stores. It is in .308 and costs $400 and looks to be in rather good condition, though it is missing the rear sight. Is this a good buy??

hivel37
September 9, 2005, 02:37 PM
Crosshair, I'd say that is a good buy.

Rear sights get lost when removed for scope mounting. Just put a blank in it, assuming you'll mount another scope.

rbernie
September 9, 2005, 03:00 PM
If it's a Model C (drop magazine Series A), than it's an average buy. If it's a Model E, it's a slightly-better-than-average buy. If it's a Model F or Model A, it's starting to look like a really good buy and you should jump on it if it interests you.

Check the bore and check the stock for cracks.

Crosshair
September 9, 2005, 04:20 PM
They have a 10 month layaway, so I might jump on it. Though they need to cut the Zip-Tie on the lever so I can check the bore. How well do these guns shoot??? (Assuming good condition.)

Edit: Does anyone have serial number ranges or other info to identify what Model 99 it is? (A, B, etc) Savage doesn't have any historical records that I can access.

rbernie
September 9, 2005, 07:44 PM
Every Savage 99 I've ever owned was either a MOA shooter or just off MOA performance with a multitude of factory ammo. Dunno why, but they just SHOOT.

You can tell the model of the Savage 99 by reading the receiver's barrel ring - it'll be stamped on the ring right next to the front scope mount. Sometimes it just says Savage 99, in which case you can tell if it's a Model A or Model F by the barrel contour - if the rear sight dovetail is flush with the barrel contour then it's a Model A and if the rear sight dovetail is sitting in a raised band, it's a (much mo' coveted) Model F.

Mike Irwin
September 9, 2005, 11:58 PM
Older Savages were not marked with a model number.

That changed in the 1950s when the receiver was redesigned to take the more powerful .308 family of cartridges.

45-70
September 10, 2005, 08:04 AM
Crosshair, The 99 has a reputation for being an accurate gun, and the ones I have would confirm that. I have two 99s, a take-down model in .250-3000 Savage from 1921 and a like-new 99 from 1967 in .300 Savage. The older one has iron sights and shoots 3 inches at 100 yards, which is about the best I can do anymore with irons. I think if it had a scope or I had younger eyes, it would group much better, but I'm not about to have it tapped for a scope.

The .300 Savage has a nice Weaver 3x9 on it, which appears to date to about the time the gun was new. Without me trying very hard it shoots 1-inch groups at 100 yards, and will do better. The last time I sighted it in, it (and I) was on a hot streak, and all the guy who was spotting for me could say was, "Wow!" I should have measuured the groups and saved the target, but it was late afternoon and opening day was the next day!

rbernie
September 10, 2005, 09:45 AM
Older Savages were not marked with a model number. That changed in the 1950s when the receiver was redesigned to take the more powerful .308 family of cartridges. I have seen, and own two, 1961-1963 'F' models that are chambered in 308 and that are not marked with a model number.

m14nut
September 10, 2005, 12:09 PM
I've got two;
A 1950's era 99EG 300savage with a 24" barrel and a late 70's DL series A 308 with a monte stock that I bought with it's original by-the-first-owner Kollmorgan-bearcat 2 3/4 power scope!
http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682422/6945968/111521272.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682422/6945968/111521269.jpg
The 300 is all original except for that someone put an aftermarket sight in place of the original one. It came to me for 200 dollars, due to a cracked wrist. I was able to repair her to near new wood, and I defy you to find the repair. Still shoots like a dream though, and loaded with 165 grain leads, it damn near shoots thru the same hole.

The in 308 shoots as well as my Remmie 700 in 308.

the kicker too is that the round counters work on both guns.

Get that gun, DO NOT let it get away.
Years ago, when a hunter said he used a 300, it was automatically known it was a 99

For more info than you will ever need on Savage, try THIS SITE (http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Savage)

Mike Irwin
September 10, 2005, 11:28 PM
The 1950s and 1960s were a period of transition for Savage as the gun was redesigned for the .308 family of cartridges.

I, too, have seen guns from that period that have not been marked with a model designation -- it seems to have been phased in over a period of time on the various models.

"the kicker too is that the round counters work on both guns."

I'd hope that it would work. The way the magazine carrier is designed, if the round counter is working, the magazine isn't working. The numbers are engraved right on the carrier extension.

My 99EG dates to 1936, and it keeps fine count.

gordo b.
September 11, 2005, 12:39 AM
I have an old 1919 .303 perch belly octagon carbine with a tang sight and it is my favorite nostalgia hunter. My first series take down .250-3000 MODEL has the fitted (later) .410 barrel and is cased, I have but don't shoot it anymore as it is prolly worth $2000 !!! My 1958 .308 F is like new, with a Lyman AllAmerican 2.5x scope it does shoot about 1.5 MOA at 100 yards with winchester silvertip 150 grain factory loads, of which I have 8 boxes left from the 70's and it is my favorite deer gun which is all it does besides maybe 10 rounds for sighting in once a year, most years. I sold my 1974(I think) .358 like a big dummy!
I still have my 1970 model 1895 .308 commemorative , which used to be my favorite 99 for hunting before I got the 1958 model F about 15 years ago!
Did I mention I like 99s? :)

Crosshair
September 11, 2005, 10:05 PM
Crap Crap Crap, the gun is gone, sold to someone who knew it's value. :(

trooper3385
September 13, 2005, 12:21 AM
You better get than one as soon as you can. There turning into collectors items. Atleast down south they are. I don't think they were as popular down south as they were up north, so there alittle harder to come by. I shopped around for one for over a year and it was nearly impossible to find one in good shape for under $750. I finaly found driving through a little town at a pawn shop / gun store in a 308 that was almost in mint condition for $250. It had a muzzle brake installed on it which will probably hurt its value, but theres hardly any recoil in it. Not planning on getting rid of it either, so I guess the value doesn't really matter. :)

Crosshair
October 27, 2005, 04:53 PM
Fate has given me a second chance. There is a VG to Excellent Model 99E in .308 for sale at one of my local stores for $360. There is also a 99C for $440, but I am interested in the model E. I have the Model 99E on a 24 hour hold so I need peoples opinion on this quick so I can go in tomorrow and get it on layaway. Anyone have a price guide for the different models? The different gun auction sites are giving me mixed results on the value of this gun so I need you're help.

DobermansDoItGoofy
October 27, 2005, 07:23 PM
Seems like Savage ought to make the 99 again... I'd buy one!

tcov
October 27, 2005, 07:59 PM
When looking at prices on auction sites make sure you are seeing the selling price. Many sellers set a high reserve price and it didn't actually sell. It's easy to pay too much for a 99 if your aren't patient. Prices in the Northwest run from $260 on up for 300 and 308's for good hunting condition rifles. At $400+ they better be really nice. I got a beautiful 243C with nice B&L scope for $380 at small local gunshow this year. Best rifle I own. 250SAV bring a premium price but I have 2 that are dissapointing so far. If you don't have one yet I suggest starting with a 300, 308, or 243 as they seem to shoot well even if not perfect condition. So far I have 30/30, 300, 308, rechambered 32/40 to 32Win (great shooter), 243, two 250SAV, 22/250. I think thats all of them. They're habit forming. Tom.

Jack O'Conner
October 27, 2005, 09:01 PM
My Dad was born in 1922. He and nearly all his native Wyoming buddies hunted with 99 Savage rifles. All through the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's when Dad's 300 barked, it meant a big game animal was down. I could not even estimate how many elk, bighorn sheep, mule deer, and antelope fell to his rifle. But my point is that his rifle was quick on target, accurate, hard hitting, and easy on the shoulder. In short, a very good big game rifle indeed!

When Dad died in 2004, Mom offered his 300 to me. But it would never be my rifle, it would always be Dad's in my mind. I offered it to my younger brother and he felt the same. So we buried it with Dad. May seem irrational to some hunters but the decision has never been regretted.
Jack

Ace of Spades
October 27, 2005, 09:46 PM
A gravedigger probably has himself a nice rifle....

Jack O'Conner
October 28, 2005, 05:13 PM
Believing the Funeral Director hires theives is a false assumption. It is also false to assume that Westerners have the same ME FIRST mentality that is common to many Easterners and West Coasters I've met.
Jack

Mully
October 29, 2005, 12:23 AM
Jack, great story about your Dad's gun.

Ace of Spades
October 29, 2005, 08:30 AM
Believing the Funeral Director hires theives is a false assumption. It is also false to assume that Westerners have the same ME FIRST mentality that is common to many Easterners and West Coasters I've met.
Jack


Perhaps so, but it isn't like there is no thievery in the Midwest, including SD.

dgludwig
October 29, 2005, 12:56 PM
Anybody know or have a good idea how much a Savage 99 (#C3140xx), .358 cal., in like new condition is worth? It has a "carbine" style stock (straight grip, no checkering) and a 22" barrel. The owner said he bought it new in 1977 and predicted the value of 99s in general will escalate dramatically in the near future. He's thinking about selling it and I'm thinking about buying it (he's also a TFL member); so what's a "fair" price?

Mike Irwin
October 29, 2005, 02:05 PM
The .358s are kind of hard to price. They're not all that common, and they seem to command anywhere from a moderate to extreme premium.

Probably the best way to set a fair price would be to consult the blue book of gun values.

gordo b.
October 29, 2005, 06:13 PM
I'll pay $450 right NOW for that gun $500 if its 95% or better$550 -$600 NIB. I regret sell my .358 for that much last year!:(

That sounds like a .358" Brush Gun" and the values I gave are the current Blue book.


Jack O C : you are the man , partner!:)

Crosshair
October 30, 2005, 01:08 AM
I got the Model 99F on layaway right now for $350:) . There is a 250-3000 on sale at the same store for about $650 if anyone wants it.

ejrogers
February 12, 2006, 10:48 AM
I'm a new member and i've resently bought this rifle for $375.00. Is this a good price? It's has a crack in the front handle. It looks to be pretty old.
I've researched on the web and from what i can tell it looks to be from the early 1900s:confused:

ejrogers
February 12, 2006, 10:50 AM
It was really hard to get shells. $45.00 a bx of 20:eek:

FirstFreedom
February 12, 2006, 10:56 AM
hey, rbernie, what are the differences in the models? Thanks. I passed up one in .308 for $350 the other day, but it had worn blueing and I don't know which model it was.

Mike I - you said that if the counter is working, the the magazine isn't working. I'm sure you meant to say that if the counter isn't working, the magazine isn't working.

GranDadsGun
October 9, 2007, 09:06 PM
Hello,

Recently I decided to let go of my Grandfathers 300 savage Model 99. a friend is a hunter and a gun enthusiast. I thought that my Grandfather would be proud if he knew his old friend was still out there doing what it was made for. I brought my GD's rifle into work to let him see it and told him I had done some research and I felt that the gun was worth $400.00 and that was what I wanted. He said the gun was in good shape, 90% plus and he would check with his wife to see if he could afford the money. He wrote down the serial number 351687 and we went our separate ways. later that night he called me and said that he would love to buy the rifle but, his conscience wouldn't allow him to take advantage of me, his friend. He told me that the rifle was worth much more than what I asked for. And that I needed to hold on to it because it would gain more value as the years passed. Is it worth what I believe it is? BTW it has the original sling with it. all leather and brass catches.

dlsacco
February 6, 2012, 11:15 PM
When I emigrated back from the UK to the US I stopped and picked up my guns and other things I had left with my father. I also received a cased gun from my Grandfathers estate. My father told me it was a wall hanger..obsolete ammo, .22. For whatever reason I stored it and forgot it. Finally took a close look and started investigating it a bit. It's a model 1899, in .22HP, by the serial number a 1913 make. Butt plate is the rubber with the logo, straight stock, small schnobel, no checkering take down barrel, blade front and lyeman rear sight (groove for a rear barrel sight but none there) . It's by no means perfect, but amazing condition considering it's age. Serial is 145507. looking for more info to establish the model. Would love to look through the sights and shoot knowing my Grandfather held it, looked through the same sights, shot with it on the family farm. Love any assistance or info. Thanks! Daniel
...Hmmm love google. It's a 1899H 20" barrel, blade in integral front sight. Lyeman 2a rear. Fore end and receiver S/N's match.

Tom Matiska
February 7, 2012, 12:55 AM
Seems like Savage ought to make the 99 again... I'd buy one!

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