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overlordofwar
April 14, 2005, 06:48 PM
i saw a somewhat old post today about building an ar15 saying a person could build one for around $500. is that possible? if not can they be built for less than the cost of buying one already assembled?

also could a person build an ak variant for less than the cost of buying one?

Whiskey Tango
April 14, 2005, 07:07 PM
Very possible, just get a receiver from an FFL dealer, which you can buy a Stag receiver for about $99, buy the parts kit for the trigger mechanism, which is pretty cheap, get the upper and bolt assembly, and that's about it, there are more details I'm sure, but that's the gist of it.

jailbait
April 14, 2005, 07:11 PM
i've tried just about every combination i can find. it's not possible. $650 maybe, but not $500. try ar15.com

jefnvk
April 14, 2005, 08:52 PM
I'm coming out about $640, but that is because I am using a bit better parts.

It is possible, before transfer and shipping, though.

Stag lower - $85 http://www.eaglefirearms.net/stag_arms.htm
Model 1 Kit - $415 (Note that they seem to be hit or miss on quality. Do a search on AR15 about them)
16" http://model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KCE160&storeid=1&image=car16pre.gif
20" http://model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KSE200&storeid=1&image=s20prek.gif

My details:
DPMS lower, $140 at gunshow (I like the convenience of not ordering off the internet, so I'll pay more)

Del-Ton A2 kit, with DPMS upper reciever and barrel, ~$500.

G56
April 14, 2005, 11:11 PM
With a Stag Arms lower receiver and a J&T Kit you can build one for less than $600, and that's using quality parts. Model 1 Sales has a rather checkered reputation on the AR15 boards, while J&T has a good reputation for product and customer service.

I've built 2 AR's, it's relatively easy to build an AR15.

http://webcats.net/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=J&Product_Code=C2AAK&Category_Code=K

http://www.eaglefirearms.net/stag_arms.htm

fanoblack
April 15, 2005, 12:28 AM
Everything (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782) you need to know about building an AR15 from parts.

fanoblack

Powderman
April 15, 2005, 02:42 AM
Build an AR? Why, surely. Fairly easy, can be done without a lot of specialty tools (I would invest in a good torque wrench, action block, barrel nut wrench, gas tube pliers, fitted punches and headspace gauges, though) and can be done fairly quickly, too.

Build an AK? I don't know. I believe that the barrels are press-fitted to the receivers with a serious machine press. I could be wrong, though.

It would be interesting--re-barrel an AK with a properly installed Douglas Air Gauged barrel, with optimum twist, mount a good set of optics, and a decent trigger with no slop and a good pull....the mind boggles at the possibilities.

jefnvk
April 15, 2005, 07:59 AM
Yep, G36, you are right about the M1S. Never tried them, but the general gist has been 'stay away', or at least 'it may take a few returns to get things working'. I just threw that out because you can build for $500.

M700
April 15, 2005, 12:54 PM
If you are looking for a kit, J&T has a much better rep than Model 1.

http://www.jtdistributing.com/

One of their kits and a Stag lower would make a very nice AR for about $550ish. $500 is pushing it.....save up a few more bucks and buy quality.

G56
April 15, 2005, 02:32 PM
My most recent build, a kit from J&T, 24" stainless bull barrel with 1-8 twist on a Stag Arms lower receiver.

http://www.pbase.com/wingman26/image/38354609.jpg

mtnbkr
April 15, 2005, 02:44 PM
Less than $600 (not including $60 worth of tools). The only 2nd tier part I used was the 6pos stock. Everything else was brandname stuff. I did save some bucks on a cosmetic 2nd Lar Grizzly upper. I assembled the entire gun (except for bolt assembly and barrel extension), no prebuilt uppers or lowers for me:
http://mysite.verizon.net/allencb/ar.jpg

Chris

overlordofwar
April 15, 2005, 03:43 PM
those last few posts with the pictures are awesome. thanks for all your input guys, i really appreciate it. i will ahve to look into building one myself. it may take me a bit more time and effort, but to save three hundred dollars or more it would be worth the trouble to me.

mtnbkr
April 15, 2005, 04:26 PM
Actually overlordofwar, it doesn't even take long to assemble. I have about an hour's worth of labor in mine, if that.

Chris

G56
April 15, 2005, 11:34 PM
You have also asked about an AK, I've looked into them, it is substantially more complicated to assemble an AK.

An AR15 is really pretty easy to assemble, if you buy a kit from a company such as J&T, the upper is already fully assembled, all you need to do is put the parts into the lower receiver, the fire control group, hand grip and stock, if you have decent mechanical skills it's not a big deal at all.

Here's a link to the instructions:
http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/

To assemble the lower kit the only special tools you need are the roll pin punches from Brownell's, the smaller one for the bolt catch pin and the larger for the trigger guard pin. The only other tools are the normal household tools, hammer and screwdriver.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5551&title=ROLL+PIN+PUNCHES

3/32 is #3 Roll pin punch (for bolt release pin)
item #230-100-003
#3 Roll Pin Punch $3.75

1/8 is #4 Roll pin punch (for trigger guard pin)
item #230-100-004
#4 Roll Pin Punch $3.83

Small item shipping $3.70

total delivered $11.28
Prices as of Dec 04

G56
April 15, 2005, 11:37 PM
Here's a group I shot last week with the rifle pictured above.

http://www.pbase.com/wingman26/image/41810168.jpg

overlordofwar
April 16, 2005, 01:46 AM
G56, nice group!

i hope to build an ar that will shoot like that sooner or later. for now i think i'm going to go with an ak.

another member of TFL has a pre ban mak 90 with two 30 round mags and an extra buttstock he said he might sell for $350. the gun only has a couple hundred rounds through it if i remember correctly. most of the people i've talked to said not to pass that kind of offer up, and i don't intend to. so for now the ar will have to wait, but not for to long.

Thanks again to everyone that has responded to my thread, I really appreciate all the input.