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Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 12:56 AM
They also have this gun at the same store. Does anyone know if it has a chromed bolt. I think I saw it at another store and the bolt is black, I don't know if it is blued or painted like the rest of the receiver. The bore is chromed. The funny thing about the gun is that the pistol grip is black but the furniture is light colored ak-47 wood. Can I buy black plastic or phenolic parts to replace the stock and fron 2 wood pieces. Does anyone know if the parts on this gun swap with the parts on a standard ak-47. It has a place to lock in a side saddle scope mount. Just put on a 4X shotgun scope or a red dot. Is it worth the money? Do saiga rifles except hi cap ak mags. Thanks for any help, or link to a website.

NH AR Shooter
October 25, 2004, 01:16 AM
Yeah, most of the parts will swap with reg AKs, the black grip is one of the US count parts that Century puts on to make it 922 legal. You can put any AK stock set on that gun. I cant help you on the chrome bolt question.

The Saiga needs to be modified to accept regular AK mags. Its not a big deal to do this. It is being said that saiga is or will be selling large caps that fit the gun just as it sits :) However these will not be cheap, given that saiga gets about $20.00 for their 10 Rd mags.

Here are some stock sets for you, I like the green ones :)

Just click on Stock Sets, on the left, then click on list all.

www.k-var.com/subcatmfgprod.asp?0=270&1=271&2=1

Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 02:09 AM
I like the pistol grip on the actual ak variants they seem to be very ergonomic. I think that is why benneli? is making a turkey gun with a pistol grip, it feels good and I think you soak up some recoil and can get a second shot faster. Thanks for the help.

NH AR Shooter
October 25, 2004, 02:56 AM
Your welcome, the whole deal on pistol grips on rifles was to allow straight line stocks to be used, so the bore is inline with the top of the shoulder stock. Just look at an AR as an example. The gun tends to move rearward, where as something like an M14 trys to pivot up, your shoulder being the pivot point. Shoot a full auto AR10 next to a M14, big difference in controlability.

jailbait
October 25, 2004, 08:56 AM
i've found them for as low as $279... let me dig up some links...

http://www.gunsnstuffonline.com/index.aspx?pagename=moreinfo&dssid=be8d111f-3eb6-430e-b568-1f061632a3d3&uniqueid=4087775

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_AK_WASR_10_7_62x39_Rifle.html

Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 03:50 PM
thanks JB for the help I thought it might be overpriced, a lot of the stuff here is. I thought I looked at the gun before and the quality on the wood was bad.

Nh AR It sound like sound physics, i usually need a diagram to really understand stuff like that, so if the m-14 had a hand grip up closer to the muzzle that would be even better because there is less of a lever arm to lift the muzzle. Like on some of the mp sub-guns without stocks. It really does feel comfortable to hold a weapon that has a grip like that. I have noticed some of the McMillillian stock have a pronounced pistol grip on them also.

Do these guns have minute of person accuaracy out to 100 yds? :D

jailbait
October 25, 2004, 08:25 PM
i was popping rounds at around 250 yards. It was the first time i'd ever shot an ak variant, and only shot about 10 rounds through it, but all but one was in the inner three circles... with iron sights. Personally i'd find some sythetic furniture for it... it'll make it wiegh less, and extend the stock on it. the wasr 10 traditionally has a short stock... and if your a tall person with good sized arms, you'll find it uncomfortable.

Load Master
October 25, 2004, 08:50 PM
Dan, Most of these will group about 4 to 6 inchs with the cheapest ammo, plenty good to shoot a badguy :) A red dot sight or low power scope is much better then the iron sights.
The linked site above, K-var, has both long and short stocks, pretty much anything you need. while not cheap, their stocks are very good.

Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 09:17 PM
Thanks, I am thinking of getting an iexpensive very reliable semi auto 20 to 30 rd cap mags, I have just seen a lot more of the ak style for better prices. Do they have high reliability? It might be used as a plinking gun also. I have seen somebody refer to an slr, and have seen sks weapons, the sks look to have a fixed box mag reminds me of an enfield or gibbs jungle carbine, or Ted Roosevelts .405 winchester that he shot.

I usually like about 15" lop I put a cheap pachmayr recoil pad over my moss 835 shotgun and I can easily look down the rail at the beads to shoot trap in a t-shirt. I figure if I ever get some goose or duck hunting in, take it off the pad and the extra clothing will get me where I need to be.

What does a good old ar no frills go for? Since I can use different ammo than the military I figure I could get something that will expand better.

Thanks for the suggestions

NH AR Shooter
October 25, 2004, 09:41 PM
The low end of the AR market is around $499-599 for something like the Olympic Arms "Plinker", which now has forged upper and lower receivers, used to have cast receivers, not so good. The plinker is a 16" carbine.

The other way to get an AR cheap is to put together a kit, depends on how handy you are.

AKs are without question the most reliable semi autos out there. one down side to AKs, is that a lot of the old farts :D who run shooting ranges dont like AKs, they often will allow ARs but no AKs, too many people associate AKs with the Idiot jihad street punks they see on the news every day. Its kind of like "We dont like yur kind around here" With this in mind, I got one anyway :D Just be warned, even within the gun community, there lots of people who will look at you funny if you pull an AK out of you case :rolleyes:

Come to think of it, they always look at me that way. :)

Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 10:10 PM
State run Outdoor ranges where I live. They won't let you shoot a full auto, and as long as you follow range rules you are good to go. Some indoor ranges don't allow any type of wolf ammo, they have a sign with a carton of ruptured wolf cases saying that this is the reason. So the WASR-10 is alright just a little cosmetic change to some black had guard and stock and away it goes?

jailbait
October 25, 2004, 10:22 PM
danin.. the wasr 10 is definatly going to be a good choice for you. I'm going to be picking one up in the next couple of months. from what i hear, they are a little better than the slr's also found on one of the websites i gave you. make sure you get the high cap version...

and yes... change the furniture. maybe even add some optics. depends on how good a shot you are.

Danindetroit
October 25, 2004, 10:44 PM
thanks, it seems like you have some experince and have shopped these rifles a little. Do you think that with the ban ended the prices will come down? I looked at and through the iron sights and thought they were alright, I thought the fact that they were labeled out to 1,000 meters a little optomistic.

NH AR Shooter
October 25, 2004, 11:39 PM
Shooting an AK at anything 1000 meters away, is called "indirect fire" or small bore artillery :D

The prices were already down before AWB ended, my SAR-2, in 5.45x39 cost me $270, The SARs are no longer being imported, The WASRs and SARs were not banned guns, so The ban being history is unlikely to change things. AKs have never been so cheap as in the last few years. :)

NH AR Shooter
October 25, 2004, 11:41 PM
If you get a WASR, be sure to get the high cap one, and not the ten rounder. Its a easy mistake some people have made.

Danindetroit
October 26, 2004, 12:13 AM
Again thanks for the help :) . It sounds like what I need. Will have to check on the sights. I am hoping there is a video or book on the maintenace of the gas system and related parts. I have never own a semi-auto before but some things have come up where I think it would be advantagous to have a gun like the wasr. I know that every state is different. But if I get a ccw does that mean I can ride around with an unconcealed rifle that is not loaded but I have loaded mags handy. Or if i covered the gun to stop truckers and suvs from seeing into my car and calling 911. No need to answer you guys have helped alot. I have to actually call a sheriff who is on the ccw board in the county where I live anyway. I guess getting a saiga shotgun with 10 round mags one filled with shot and the other slugs would be a very potent arsenal out to 100 yds. So much time and not enough guns!!

NH AR Shooter
October 26, 2004, 12:24 AM
Ak gas system maintenance is self explanatory :D as you will see the first time you field strip it. Have Fun :)

jailbait
October 26, 2004, 08:30 AM
ccw for a rifle? is that right? can't be. down here "bubba" rides around with thier rifles on gun racks in the back of thier cars. usually ccw only is for pistols only. check your state laws. http://www.packing.org

it should be legal for you to display your wasr... but if your worried about some parinoid trooper pulling you over, just keep your magazine out of the rifle, but within arms reach in case you have to use it.

Danindetroit
October 27, 2004, 11:22 PM
You can only carry a long gun to a from a range or hunting. The weapon must be in a case uloaded in magazine and chamber. The ammo must be in a place that is not accesible to the occupants of the vehicle. We have some harsh laws up here, and yet the crime rate is high, figure that out. I would have to do a lot of serious research to find out if you can do what i said. It was just recently allowed that while hunting with a ccw that you could conceal it. It ued to be that you had to have your hand gun in a visible holster even with a ccw while hunting. The original law said that you had to get your ccw in 30 days, they moved it up to 45, and they tell you it will be at least 60. The government thinks everybody will go hog wild if they don't have the reins tight enough and the spurs dug in deep. :) Thanks again, for all the help.

Danindetroit
October 28, 2004, 12:37 AM
Sorry to bug you guys again with questions but what is good plinking ammo, good range ammo, and good self defense ammo. I saw that remington had some nice pointed soft point ammo, that seemed to be a close up deer ammo. It is .308 dia. are the wasr's .311. and the .308 id made for the mini-30. Also read in the sierra reloading book that they actually shot .308 in a .311 barrel and .311 in a 308 barrel. The .308 in .311 seems that you just might get some not so accurate groups. The .311 in .308 would worry me about pressure. Anyone really check the ammo or just shoot, what they have.TIA :D

NH AR Shooter
October 28, 2004, 03:04 AM
For cheap plinking Wolf fmj is good, you can often get a 1000rd case for $69-$79.00, Barnul is better, fewer flyers, groups better, cost a little more.

For defence, Wolf offers a 154gr soft point, which is intended for hunting, I haven't tried any yet, but have heard good reports.

The Remmington stuff will do well for self defense, the .308 dia of the bullets tend to give poor groups, at say, 100 meters. But most self defence takes place at much closer range, more like 50ft or closer, so it shouldnt be a problem.

Yeah, the .308cal stuff should be safe in your AK, the only thing you should be aware of is that US commercial 7.62x39 tend to have softer primers then the imported semi military stuff. As a result it is possible to have a slam-fire, when the bolt slams forward and the free floating firing pin taps the primer. Its good to have it in your mind as chamber that first round, that the gun could just fire. Its partly a dirty gun/gritty firing pin issue. Most likely you wont have any problem. :)

The Mini 30 thing is a pet peeve of mine, come out with a gun meant to capitalize on the popularity of the 7.62x39 cartridge, only to not chamber it for said cartrige, but something that should be discribed as .308x39, which did not exist untill Remmington started making it just for the Mini 30... :mad:

jailbait
October 28, 2004, 11:49 PM
okay that i DID NOT know. you can fire .308 in the 7.62 wasr 10? really? that's f'n cool.

Danindetroit
October 28, 2004, 11:55 PM
Sierra said they did it in the fith edition reloading. The bore shoild be .301 in the aks so it should grab .0035 of the rifling but if it wasn't centered I'd think accuracy might suffer, and velocity. It is shooting the .311 out of a mini-30 that I would worry about :eek:

NH AR Shooter
October 29, 2004, 12:14 AM
jailbait, I hope you know I was talking about the .308 caliber bullets that Remmington and others load its 7.62x39 ammo with, as opposed to the correct .311 caliber bullets that are specified for 7.62x39. ;)

Danindetroit
October 29, 2004, 12:32 AM
I looked at winchester to see what type of bullets they had in 7.62 x 39 and was usa brand fmj. I looked at federal and they had a softpoint that looked like it might have good expansion characteristics. I e-mailed federal and asked them what the exact dimensions were. Easier than finding a store that has tem and pulling out my calipers and measuring them. I will post what they tell me.

NH AR Shooter
October 29, 2004, 12:39 AM
I heard somewhere that the newer Ruger Mini 30s now have a .311 bore, if so, will Remmington have changed to .311 also?

Danindetroit
October 29, 2004, 01:07 AM
It might make higher quality ammo available for the ak's out there. I wonder how many mini-30's have been sold? Do you know how long they have been available? The Mi dept of corrections uses the mini-14 for it's rifle. I lliked the looks of it, I think they used them on the tv show The A-Team. I always thought they were m-14's. The barrel looks like if you shot it 20 times trying to aim well your POI would start to walk around. Prices are very high up here but I think they ask $800 for them. Federal does list there ammo as 7.62X39 soviet. I have had pretty good look with fed ammo, I think they use the extruded powder, because I have had some times when I shot winchester and it was hot and the case got stuck in my gun. The fed ammo shot fine.

NH AR Shooter
October 29, 2004, 01:22 AM
I think the Mini 30 came out in the mid eighties, mine is of 1987 vintage, I've shot it very little because it requires US made ammo to shoot well. This makes it way more expensive to shoot then my SKS, AK, AR, ect,..

Then there is the unavailibilty of decent large cap mags, should be some on the market soon though. :)

Johnny Guest
October 29, 2004, 09:11 AM
The AWB ban sunset notwithstanding, I doubt we'll ever see Ruger factory 7.62x39 mags above five round capacity freely available. I have heard that some were produced in ten round configuration, but I've never seen one. (Not that I keep in close touch with the Ruger Mini product line. ;))

Bill Ruger went on record, saying that no non-cop, non-military person has a legitimate "need"/use for a mag holding over ten rounds. Indeed, there was a move afoot to limit all their rifles to a non-detachable mag of not greater than FIVE round capacity. It would have been a relatively simple matter to design the Mini-14 series to utilize the AR/M16 magazine, but this was intentionally avoided.

There have been several offerings of non-Ruger mags of higher capacity. Sometimes these work well, usually not. I would particularly avoid the USA Magazine brand - - These have a bad reputation in any gun, any caliber. Dealers who got stuck with an inventory of USA Mag products play it rather loose and free with the "guaranteed to function" phrasing. Take one back to point of purchase and they say, "Nope, sorry, the manufacturer is responsible, not me. Uh-uh, I can't return your money. Send your mag to the manufacturer and they will either replace or refund . . . . "

If you're in a position where you want to take a chance on USA mags, I suggest you get the dealer to say you can bring it back to the shop for adjustment if (WHEN) it fails to work. I really hate to bad mouth any product this way, but hey - - -

The Mini-30 is a nifty little rifle in concept, but, as stated above, rather flawed in execution as to bore size and mag availability.

Best of luck to you - -
Johnny

Gewehr98
October 30, 2004, 05:10 PM
The misinformation about the Ruger's internal barrel dimensions, are, however. As posted elsewhere both here and at THR:

The throat in the Mini-30's barrel is purposely tapered, much like the freebore found in Weatherby Magnum rifles. This keeps pressures down, while gradually allowing a .311" bullet to engage the .308" bore diameter further down the barrel without any problems. While it doesn't help the accuracy potential of .308" ammo, it does allow interchangeable usage of either diameter bullets in a utility-grade rifle like the Ruger Mini-30.

A reply to a query about the Ruger Mini-30 and surplus 7.62x39 ammo, dated July 27, 1995, from Dick Beaulieu, Manager, Customer Service:

"The Ruger Mini-30 has been designed to accept 7.62 x 39 ammunition
that features a .308 or .311 projectile. We have no reports of jacket
separations when firing .311 ammunition in this rifle."

NH AR Shooter
October 30, 2004, 11:25 PM
Many years ago, I received, from Ruger, a somewhat different answer to the same question. I was told under no circumstances to use any steel cased imported ammo in my Mini 30, that doing so could damage the rifle and void my warranty. Kind of negates the whole .311/.308 issue.

Years later after the newness wore off, I ran a fair amount of S&B thru it, the only problem were a few rounds failed to fire, these were fed to my SKS, which I suspect hits the primer a good bit harder.

Danindetroit
November 4, 2004, 07:15 PM
I thought we were talking about a wasr-10? G98 your post shed no light on what we were talking about. It adresses something about bullet size but nothing on ammo that can be used in the aforementioned weapon. I still have not received an e-mail from federal as to the size of their ammo labelled 7.62x39 soviet.

Gewehr98
November 4, 2004, 08:51 PM
Re: the alleged Ruger changeover in bore dimensions.

I have to disagree about the bullet diameter "problem", too.

Just for grins, I yanked a spare AK drum mag from my ammo locker for a quickie photo shoot. As you can see in the picture, it's been loaded with factory Winchester 7.62x39. The ammo's been in that drum since just before Y2K (for reasons that thankfully never materialized). I took one round at random and miked it, then sampled a few others. See what the micrometer dial says?

Another magazine loaded with PMC factory fodder was sampled, the rounds measure the same .311" as the Winchester ammo. Tomorrow, I'll scoot down to Walmart and grab a box of Remington 7.62x39.

http://mauser98.com/win311ammo.jpg

NH AR Shooter
November 5, 2004, 11:27 PM
Gewehr98, Thanks, its nice to actually have some hard facts, I'll be interested in your Remmington measurement.

As far as the WASR-10 goes, seems we covered that pretty good, not sure what else can be added, its an AK, tough, reliable, cheap to buy, cheap to feed, accurate enough, minimal maintenance. :)

Danindetroit
November 5, 2004, 11:48 PM
I appreciate the help on the rifle!! By everybody!! It is refreshing to have open discussion, no attacks because of missing punctuation, or misspelled words. I think we should really try this a lot more often. I hope you guys are getting out to the range, or your favorite hunting spot. Still have not reiceived an e-mail from federal, I like federal ammo in general. :)

Danindetroit
November 5, 2004, 11:58 PM
G98 It seems you have something in ak. Do you have a trigger improvement kit, or did you just do your own mods. I understand if you don't want to talk about it, I can think of a lot of reasons for not wanting to. I didn't even have $20 in cash at y2k, and just regular amount of shotgun stuff 7 to 12 boxes of various AA for trap, and some turkey, and buck that I always seem to pick-up on sale at the variousbig name stores that carry it. TIA

Gewehr98
November 6, 2004, 10:32 AM
It's a Bulgarian SLR-95. I'd already played with MAK-90's and a couple MAADI's, so I was expecting a nasty trigger. No such luck, the Bulgarian milled gun's trigger was smooth and light straight from the box. I put a dollop of TW-25B lube on each of the trigger hooks as I broke the gun in, just as icing on the cake. It still has a lot of takeup, with a small amount of creep, but it's no problem coaxing decent groups out of the gun. When I say decent groups, I mean decent for the AK family, namely, 2" at 100 yards. Were I to recommend smithing of an AK trigger, I'd tell the person to go get one of the Red Star adjustable AK trigger groups, and do a simple parts swap. They're sold by Red Star Arms, Power Custom, Blackjack Buffers, and a few other places.


http://redstararms.com/newrsa1trig.jpg

Danindetroit
November 6, 2004, 05:57 PM
Thanks that is the brand of trigger I heard too. I heard they make a new spring and small part rebuild kit, and that the kit has a nice "shepard's crook" that might be easier to put back together. This website has pics and good instructions on the install of both triggerkit, and spring kit.

A lot of people get hung up on moa. On a long range varmint gun less is better on a deer gun slugs in 4" to 5" is good. If that shot the 54 mm rimmed it would practically be a military sniper rifle. Again I think this was a great post, and everybody had a discussion on things and helped me out a lot.

A nice marlin in .30-30 will do but the ak might have some more versatility. Again thank you.

Danindetroit
November 10, 2004, 12:16 AM
Federal ammo e-mailed me and said that the 7.62x39soviet ammo uses a .310" dia bullet.