View Full Version : What was that carbine?

May 18, 2004, 02:41 PM

I can't figure it out. In your last issue, on the page that is showing what is coming up in the next issue, there is a picture of a cop pointing a carbine of some kind at a lady. I can't figure out what that gun is. It has an EOTech mounted on it, and what looks like a 40mm grenade launcher. I can't find an ejection port on it, so what is that thing?

My guess is that it is some sort of paintball type less than lethal weapon, and what looks like the grenade launcher is a co2 canister. Am I right?

Denny Hansen
May 18, 2004, 03:09 PM
Real fiream, Larry. I won't let the cat out of the bag just yet, but look for an upcoming article by Pat Rogers on it.


May 18, 2004, 05:11 PM
So I'm not nuts. :)

I'm going to have to go back and look at that picture some more. Now that I know it is a real firearm, I think I have an idea based on some rumors that I've heard.

May 18, 2004, 11:12 PM
No, Larry, you could still be nuts...but you did see what you thought you saw. ;)


Ben Swenson
May 18, 2004, 11:55 PM
Hmm ... well, I don't have the issue, so this is utter speculation, but could it be a Bizon?

May 19, 2004, 02:52 AM
Maybe it's a Calico redesigned for 5.56 with a bottom mounted magazine to allow for better sight and optics arrangements.

May 19, 2004, 03:08 PM
The thing that looks like a grenade launcher could be a helical magazine, but it isn't a Bizon, because those still have an ejection port in the right side. It is smooth all down the right, so it either has forward ejection like the FN2000 (unlikely because there doesn't appear to be any room for it) or it is downward ejection like a P90. There could be an ejection port on the stock and it is a bullpup, but it sure doesn't look likely from the pic.

What ever it is, it is weird. :)

And I know I'm not nuts because the magic hippo in my living room told me so.

Ben Swenson
May 19, 2004, 03:44 PM
Hmm ... okay, so it couldn't be a PP-90M1 either.

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait.

gordo b.
May 21, 2004, 09:21 AM
Pulsed Plasma rifle in 40 Megawatt range? :D

Pat Rogers
June 16, 2004, 07:47 PM

I'm the author of that article, but i have a question for you first. What makes you assume that it is a cop pointing the carbine.

Just curious......

Denny Hansen
June 16, 2004, 07:58 PM
Should we tell them? ;)

Out with Ben and Louis at the range today. Ben wore his new FSBE gear for the photo shoot. Cool beans!


June 17, 2004, 05:19 AM
Argh! I can't find my issue! Someone please post the pic herein so I can play too. Please?

Rich Lucibella
June 17, 2004, 09:11 AM
This what you're looking for?

June 17, 2004, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the pic, Sir. I'm stumped, too. Sure is abeautiful women pointing the pisto, though. She gonna be featured more? :)

June 19, 2004, 05:26 PM
Tactical Bullpup Airsoft??

June 19, 2004, 07:53 PM
The new FN 5.56x28!

June 19, 2004, 08:31 PM
What makes you assume that it is a cop pointing the carbine.

And what makes you assume it is a lady?


Oh, BTW, yes, you ARE nuts! :D

Hmmm. That's a bullpup design, and looks like about a 37 mm launcher underneath. Not a helical mag....


June 22, 2004, 10:22 AM
Pat, I honestly don't know why I assumed cop. I think because one of my initial guesses was that it was some sort of less than lethal weapon and the launcher was actually a Co2 tank. Less than lethal launcher = mental leap = cop. I know that isn't always the case of course, so I don't know why I ASSumed. :) Plus I didn't recognize the camo, so I didn't think military.

After getting my new issue in the mail yesterday, and reading the article I know who it is now. Even checked out the Crye web page this morning. Interesting stuff, and better pictures of the carbine, but no identification as to what it was. The pistol was ID'ed as an Air soft, but if that carbine is an Airsoft, they sure went through a lot of work to come up with a distinct creation, and judging by the EoTech, launcher, tac rails, and back up irons, I'm going to say that that is a real gun, and probably some sort of prototype bottom ejecting bullpup.

So come on guys, don't keep us in suspense. Denny can vouch for me, he knows I'm a wannabe gun inventor. He has seen the plans and a picture of my failed attempt at building a creative new gun. :) So I'm curious.

Ben Swenson
June 22, 2004, 10:56 AM
I'm stumped too. The undermounted tube is definitely not a magazine - either 40mm or 37mm launcher of some sort. I'm not seeing a magazine (the mag well would have to be in the rear ... wouldn't it?) or ejection port. Could just be the way he's holding it, though.

Denny Hansen
June 22, 2004, 01:26 PM
OK, this has gone on long enough and you guys have made some really good guesses. However, sometimes my sense of humor has a mean streak and this is one of those times. Hunkering down behind my sandbag fortifed desk, I'm gonna fess up:

The carbine is not real, but a mockup Crye did for (IIRC) the Future Force Warrior program. Pat will, however, have a full report on Crye in the September issue.

No hard feelings? :D


June 22, 2004, 01:54 PM
Thanks Denny. That was driving me nuts.

So in the future we will use invisible stelth ejection ports. :)

June 22, 2004, 06:27 PM
No hard feelings? :D

Sez who? :mad:


June 22, 2004, 09:17 PM
Mongo is just pawn in game of life!

June 25, 2004, 07:58 AM
You are a cruel, cruel man Mr. Hansen. We have the luxury here at TFL of actually interrogating you and Pat about this thing. Other readers are not so lucky. People are going to develop bald spots from all the headscratching :)

Your penance for including this photo sans explanation in the mag is to actually answer the avalanche of mail you are about to receive asking "-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED- is THAT!!"


- Gabe

Mal H
June 25, 2004, 08:43 AM
Fake rifle aside (for shame Denny :) ), is wearing those loose fitting gloves as depicted in several of the photos such a good idea? Pat, Denny, Rich?

Seems like it could add split-seconds to whole seconds getting your finger on the trigger. I should add that I had my one and only ND wearing such gloves with a shotgun (about 42 years ago), so my question goes a little further than mere curiosity.

Denny Hansen
June 26, 2004, 08:02 PM
Yeah, they look a little loose to me as well. When I wear gloves while shooting (which isn't very often in Arizona), I prefer a ones that fit fairly tight, but still gives a good tacticle feel, such as Nomex flyers gloves. YMMV.