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Dan
January 17, 2000, 06:03 PM
Recently, my interest has been piqued by military surplus bolt action rifles.

I really know nothing about them.

I want to get a bolt action military surplus rifle but don't know what's what. Doe anyone know a website that has info on Enfields and the various Mauser (K98?) that floating around.

I'm a total newbie... Help.

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WOLF
January 17, 2000, 06:51 PM
For militairy surplus firearms....start here.. http://web3.teleport.com/~ldddad/surplus.htm

Good luck, this is a start and you can go link hoping from there ,and many other forums link boards.

WOLF

Harley Nolden
January 17, 2000, 07:47 PM
DAN:
Is this what you are looking for?

ENFIELDS:
Bolt Action Patterns:

Argentina:
Remington Arms company supplied Model 40 rifles to the Argentine army in the mid 1930's, at about the time large numbers were sent to Honduras. The guns were chambered the 7.65X53mm rimless cartridge and to have borne the national arms above the chamber. This contract has never been substantiated.

Britain:
Infantry Rifle.

Pattern 1913

Other Names: Model 40
Manufacturer: Royal Small Arms Factory
Mfg Dates: 1913-14
Location: Enfield England
Quantity: 1,250
Caliber: .276
Action: Turn Bolt
Length: 46.18"
Weight: 8.56lb
Barrel Length: 26"
Grooves: 5 LH concentric
M-Velocity: 2,785fps w/.276 ball ctg

Pattern 1914:
Other Names: Sniper Rifle

The rifles undertook trials successfully though there had been a tendency to misfire all trouble had been experienced with the charging guides. However, only poor magazine feed caused any real worry. The British authorities recommended the .276 rifle as a replacement for the .303 Lee Enfield.

When WWI began mass production line for the .276 P/1913 existed and the entire project was abandoned. To alleviate shortages caused by mobilization, however, a contract for 200,000 rifles Magazine .303" Pattern 1914 was agreed with Winchester on 24 November. Similar contracts were signed with Remington Arms -UMC.

The P/1914 was similar to the experimental .276 P/1913, but had a conventional grasping groove in the fore end and the magazine was adapted for rimmed .303 cartridges.

Final assembly in the Winchester factory in New Haven began in Jan. Sub-variants were introduced to British service on 21
Jun 1915 and designated Mks 1E 1R or W. The suffixes distinguished the rifles made by Eddystone, Remington-UMC and Winchester respectively, as parts were not always readily
exchangeable from group to group. Distinctive markings included ERA on the Eddystone rifles, RA on the Remingtons's and W on the Winchesters.

HONDURAS:
Remington supplied about 3,000 modified M1917 Enfield rifles in the mid 1930's. Issued as the M1934, but known commercially as the Model 40, these chambered the 7X57mm cartridge and had new stepless-base tangent leaf back sights protruding from the hand
guard above the grasping groove.

USA:
Model 1917
Mfg: Winchester Repeating Arms
Remington Arms
Eddystone, Pa
Quantity: 2,513 M
Caliber: 30-06 Rimless
Action: Turnbolt, Same as Brit P-14
Length: 46.03"
Weight: 9.00Lb
Barrel Length: 26.00"
Grooves: 5 RH Concentric
M-Velocity: 2,750ft/sec W/U.S. .30 M2 Ball

S.M.L.E BRITISH NO.1 Mark III Short Lee Enfield.
Adopted: 1907
Cal: .303
Length: 44.5"
Wt: 8.6lb
Action: Turnbolt
Bolt: 2 Piece non rotating head
Mag: Detach Bx. Stagg. Column
Capacity: 10 rnds
Bbl length: 25.2"
Bore Dia: .303"
Twist: Left
Rate: 10"
Basic British rifle of WWI and used to some extent in WWII.
Over 2,000,000 made by Enfield. B.S.A. made over one million
during the same period.


MAUSER

Model: 98
Designer: Peter & Paul Mauser
Year of Mfg: 1889-1925
Caliber: 7.92mm (8mm) rimmed
Action: Turnbolt
Length:
Barrel Length: 30.67" rifle
21.65" Carbine
15.75" Short Carbine

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The M98 was the first highly successful Mauser action designed for a powerful smokeless powder, rimless military cartridge. It was also the first Mauser action designed to load the magazine with a charger, stripper clip,. This action set the general pattern for other Mauser turnbolt rifle actions which followed, with changes and improvements that made Mauser actions a
standard throughout the world.

A great many of these rifles were made in the Belgian government arsenal in Liege. Many were also made in Birmingham, England, at a plant set up and operated by Belgian refugees. An American firm, Hopkins & Allen, obtained a contract and made many of these rifles for Belgium prior to WWI.

Mauser action is the basis of design for most every turnbolt rifle in the world today. This includes the military and the civilian model rifles of todays manufacture. During the era most all countries used the Mauser design, to include the United States, who bought patent rights to design the M1903 Springfield.

These actions (M1898) are still being manufactured today and there are still some of the old original actions being sold on the civilian market. Many gunsmiths prefer this action, new or
old, to build custom rifles in varing calibers to include shotguns.

After WWII restrictions placed on the Germans to, manufacture military rifles. However, they could manufacture sporting rifles and shotguns. This prompted Germany to rebarrel and convert the M1898 Mauser rifle to a two shot shotgun. This shotgun was produced in, 12, 16, and 20 gauge. These shotguns were eventually imported into the US and sold on the open market.
I have personally owned one of these shotguns and found it to make and excellent slug gun.

I can also provide you with the assem/disassem of most military and the old civilian guns.

HJN

Coinneach
January 17, 2000, 08:44 PM
This is where I go for Enfield info:
http://www.uidaho.edu/~stratton/en-page.html

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Danh
January 18, 2000, 05:40 AM
I dont know how to do the link thing but go to GunAndKnife.com.They have message boards for just about any millitary bolt action rifle you could name.
Sorry about the name thing I only chose mine because its what I use at work!

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Skip
January 18, 2000, 06:53 AM
For the Lee-Enfield:
*The rec.guns has a special section on the Lee-Enfield at: http://www.recguns.com/IIID2a11a.html
*Dr. Stratton's site, mentioned above, is great, as are his books. http://www.uidaho.edu/~stratton/en-page.html
For Mausers, there are tons o' sites.
*For the Kar98k (which is the Mauser I'm most interested in), try the Kar98k page at http://www.angelfire.com/nt/k/index.html
*rec.guns has its a Mauser FAQ at http://www.recguns.com/IIID2a123.html
*Empire Arms has a Mauser FAQ. See http://www.empirearms.com/ and scroll down.
*There's a big FAQ on Swedish Mausers located at: http://students.washington.edu/basiji/swedeFAQ.html

That's about all on my Favorites list, but check around and you'll find more.

Skip

fal308
January 18, 2000, 09:46 AM
A couple more sites;
Bruce Canfield's site - www.brucecanfield.com (http://www.brucecanfield.com)
Alaska Enfield Headquarters - http://home.gci.net/~asmle/
Old Guns - www.oldguns.com (http://www.oldguns.com)
-has some of everything-
Don't forget the Krag-Jorgenson
Krag Info - http://members.aol.com/bigpopa671/krag.html#KragInfo

Or use a search engine using Enfield or Mauser or [Krag-Jorgenson[/b] or whatever other mil surplus catches your fancy, though this will end up with a very large number of hits more than likely. :)

[This message has been edited by fal308 (edited January 18, 2000).]

Dan
January 18, 2000, 10:01 AM
You guys are awesome! This is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks!!!

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2shots
January 18, 2000, 02:13 PM
Dan,
Go to Cruffler.com
This is a repository of info on military surplus toys and they have info on how to obtain a C&R license from BATF. I got mine recently and it's proving to be alot of fun.