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Shutoku Shia
November 9, 1998, 02:48 PM
What is the difference bewt. LER scope for a handgun versus so called Scout optics being marketed by Leupold and Burris? Thanks.

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Spectre
November 9, 1998, 08:59 PM
Difference? There's a difference? :D

In all seriousness, both are designed for the same function- namely, for an optical sight that can be used with both eyes open, and used at arm's length. In the same magnification, the chief difference will probably be the name.

[This message has been edited by Spectre (edited 11-10-98).]

Shutoku Shia
November 9, 1998, 09:40 PM
So the so-called Scout scopes from Leupold/Burris are essentially the same commonly found handgun LER scopes? I guess then the name "Scout scopes" are merely marketing gimmicks.

Thanks for reply.

Shutoku
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Spectre
November 9, 1998, 10:00 PM
Anytime. You'll find folks here to be informative and friendly.

It is possible that the handgun LER scopes will be a bit stronger. In any case, either one, in the right magnification, should do just fine.

AC
November 10, 1998, 01:12 AM
The difference is the eye relief. The scopes aren't necessarily interchangeable. I tried a 4x Leupold pistol scope in the scout role and it didn't work out--I had to hold my head unnaturally far back, making it anything but fast. A 2x Leupold on that same rifle worked fine. I've been real happy with the Burris Scout scopes.

Shutoku Shia
November 10, 1998, 01:38 PM
I see. So even with handgun LER scope, there is a variance in the eye relief. I assume that with the Scout scope lines from Burris/Leupold, the scope is already set for proper eye relief designed to be mounted forward on a rifle. Thanks for the info, AC.

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Spectre
November 10, 1998, 11:35 PM
AC,

Folks who "cotton" to the Scout concept would tend to think that 4x was too much magnification...regardless of LER.

Respectfully,

Spectre

AC
November 11, 1998, 10:17 PM
The only reason I tried the 4x was that it was left over, as was the 2x, from a time when I thought scoped handguns were desireable. So it was a case of no out of pocket expense. I was able to sell the 4x and used the 2x as mentioned but would definitely buy an intermediate eye relief scout scope if buying a new one. The Burris scopes have served admirably. The last time I bought one the Leupold was $50 more expensive so I stuck to what had served me.

Dr Dirt
November 12, 1998, 05:59 PM
I was able to hold a Cooper Scout rifle about a month ago at a gun shop. Boy, was it sweet. Owner said he had sold 16 of them. Too much money for me though. So I have been thinking about getting a Remington 700 or 7400 and putting a scout scope on it. I really liked the scope on the Cooper because you can keep both eyes open and finding your target is very fast.
But is it difficult to put a scout scope on the Rems being they have scope mount holes drilled in the standard location? Do I have to get a gunsmith to drill me some holes in the barrel? Or is there some other trick?

Shutoku Shia
November 12, 1998, 06:15 PM
Check out the following website:

http://www.beast-enterprises.com/chingring.html

It seems like a barrel sleeve to which a Weaver base is attached to.

Shutoku
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Rob Pincus
November 12, 1998, 07:31 PM
I just skimmed this topic after the first post or two, BUT...
There is a big difference between LER Pistol scopes and the MER (Middle Eye Relief) Scout Scopes. Some marketing is obviously involved, but the difference is that on a scout rifle you only have about a foot or so between your eye and the scope, as opposed to an isoceles handguns stnace which puts your scope closer to 20-24 inches away from your eyes.
I use a Burris 1.5 on my Scout and it is mounted just in front of the reciever. If you were to mount a LER pistol scope on a rifle you would need to mount it about 1/2-2/3rds of the way down the barrel.

Shutoku Shia
November 12, 1998, 07:41 PM
Rob, I didn't realize that Scout type LER
scopes had much shorter eye relief compared to handgun scopes. Thanks for the info.

Shutoku Shia
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Dr Dirt
November 13, 1998, 04:59 PM
Thanks Shutoku for Beast Enterprises website. It looks like it will do the trick.

TAZ
November 18, 1998, 06:14 PM
Dr. Dirt,
You might want to wait a bit on your Remingtom purchase. From what I hear Savage will be marketing their own version of the Scout rifle based on a model 10 short action (I think, could be mod 110). Either way it will cost less than the Rem. and will already be equipped for the scout scope. No aftermarket mods needed. I have one of their mod 10FP's in 308. Kind of blocky looking but shoots straighter than I can right now. Only paid $325 for it while a comprable Rem was $569.

Anyone have any experience with the Springfield Scout/Bush rifle or their Norinco copies???

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Spectre
November 20, 1998, 07:30 PM
Taz,

Check out the latest SOF. PGK runs my dream gun being run through its paces...match trigger, heavy (glass-bedded) barrel...

Bad news: with a bipod and scope, it will cost almost exactly what a Steyr Scout would.

Dr Dirt
November 27, 1998, 04:29 PM
Thanks TAZ for the info on the Savage.
Sounds like it is worth the wait. Any dates?
I really hope the scout concept catches on with the other manufactures. Also, how about a semi-automatic, or is the bolt action that much more accurate, light, dependable or what?
I do like the light weight of the Cooper Scout, I hate carrying around heavy guns.

TAZ
November 30, 1998, 03:27 PM
Don't know about dates yet. The 99 catalogue has it, but their web site does not show it yet. AS for a semi, Springfield Armory makes a scout version of the M1A. It does not however meet the weight requirement set forth by Col. Cooper. If I remember correctly, the col. thought the semi to be a good idea, but could never find an action that could meet the weight requirements.

Shutoku Shia
November 30, 1998, 08:05 PM
I heard from Sniper Country roster that there is an ad/picture in the magazine called something like the "Varmint Master" or "Varmine Hunter" of the new Savage Scout rifle. MSRP of $500 (scope and bipod not included).

Shutoku Shia
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Ray Z
December 1, 1998, 12:06 AM
I think I now understand the difference between LER and IER and why I'll probably want a IER scope on a scout rifle. I noticed that Brownell's is selling a scout mount made by Burris, that would fit on a Rem 700 with minor tapping and drilling. Would this negativley affect the accuracy due to the uneven pressure/stress on the barrel?

Shutoku Shia
December 3, 1998, 05:29 PM
In the latest Guns & Ammo, there was a picture of the new Savage Scout rifle. It weighed bewt. 6 and 7 lb with a forward Weaver base for a long eye relief scope, a detachable rear peep sight, studs, and a carry/utliity strap. It does not come with a bipod or a scope. It comes in 2 calibers: .308 Winchester and 7mm-08. The picture showed a synthetic stock in light gray color. Best of all, it had a MSRP of $500.

Shutoku

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Rob Pincus
December 4, 1998, 01:01 AM
Ray, The remington I have with a forward mounted scope seems to be as accurate as any similar rifle I have had with a traditionaly mounted scope. I can hardly imagine the drilling and tapping affecting the combat accuracy of a scout rifle. Remember, these do not need to be match accurate rifles to fulfill the mission of the scout concept.

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boogerbawb
November 10, 2001, 06:10 AM
True that Scout scopes are Intermediate Eye Relief and pistol scopes Long Eeye Relief, but I have had no trouble using pistol scopes on a couple of home-made poor man's scouts. Only problem I had was putting a B-Square "Scout" scope mount on a Gibbs Lee Enfield "Jungle Carbine" in .308. Mount replaces rear sight, but puts scope so damn high above the barrel you can only get a "chin weld" even with a Monte Carlo synthetic stock.

Advanced Technology Inc, sold through Centerfire Systems, now makes a two-piece synthetic stock for large-ring Mausers that (on the outside anyway) looks just like a Steyr Scout stock but without that spiffy folding integral bipod or spare mag well in the butt, and has a Weaver rail about a foot long all along the top of the handguard. Works great for me with a $50 from midway BSA 2x pistol scope, but could be lighter. I built my own scout mount from 1-inch alum conduit & a 10/22 Weaver rail for my cut-down Springfield 03-A3, with no eye relief problems with a $50 Simmons 2x, and have been doing great with the set-up on deer and antelope for 2 seasons now.

JJCII
November 10, 2001, 11:57 AM
TAZ:

I could have sworn the Savage "Scout" Rifle was already in production and available for about a year now. Is there a newer version?

JJCII

Dorcas
November 10, 2001, 02:27 PM
JJCII,

Look at the dates of the original posts. This is a very old topic, that's been drudged up.

bkm...

JJCII
November 10, 2001, 08:05 PM
DORCAS,

Thanks for the correction. I guess I should read twice, post once... I'll sit down and shut up now.

JJCII

Dorcas
November 11, 2001, 01:42 PM
Actually, I had the same question you did. It took me a couple of minutes to figure out what happened. :)

bkm..