View Full Version : Carry flashlight????
April 23, 2002, 03:02 PM
Ok people. What kind of flashlight do you carry? I recently purchased a Surefire E2 and it is super bright and fits in my front pocket nicely.
April 23, 2002, 03:17 PM
Z2. Everyday, everwhere, in all kinds of weather. Kinda curious about the new pocket clip models, however. Neat idea. Clips to the pocket just like a tactical folding knife.
Worth a look anyway.
April 23, 2002, 06:28 PM
Z3 for me
Double Naught Spy
April 23, 2002, 08:03 PM
I am a big fan of Streamlight Scorpions. No, they are not quite as good as the Surefires and don't have quite the beam quality, but at 1/2 the price, they are a bargain. Both will illuminate people out to 100 yards which is more than I need. The Scorpion comes with a replacement bulb carried onboard the light and additional replacements are about $5. This is not possible on the Surefires whose replacement bulbs run closer to $15.
So for the drudgery of carrying in a pants pocket, vest, or coat, the Scorpion is the way to go. There is a lot less to lose if it is lost or severly damaged with little compromise in light as compared to the Surefires. That being said, I like my Surefires just fine and have a Z3 that serves as my emergency bedside light.
If you are interested in some serious debate on flashlights, their features and qualities, check out
Many of those folks are as serious about their flashlights as we are about guns. It is also a great source of information on various types of lights or features.
April 23, 2002, 08:47 PM
Prefer the older style 6Z, which is easier on my thigh and conceals better than the newer hex-head models.
April 23, 2002, 10:04 PM
Ditto to what was said before. It is certainly not as good as a Surefire, but it sure is cheaper, and definately good enough.
April 23, 2002, 10:37 PM
I agree, Surefire E2. Sits nicely in my left rear pocket. Almost where the light would be if I was wearing a duty rig (one gun, one place, all the time).
April 23, 2002, 10:48 PM
For me, it's a surefire G2 Nitrolon. Basically the same as the 6 series, but a little bit more ergonomic and a lot lighter on the budget. I got mine from www.botachtactical.com (although many people on this board warn against shopping from Botach, I had nothing but good experiences from them).
I tend to carry it in my back pocket, opposite my wallet, or in a jacket pocket. Great little light.
April 24, 2002, 12:39 AM
April 24, 2002, 07:32 AM
www.CandlePowerForums.com is the most concentrated community of flashlight topics that I know of.
The SureFire Discussion Board (http://186thousand.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi) is pretty erm, SureFire specialised.
Both welcome new members, and are interested in reviews and comparisions of various lights.
If you have any flashlight related questions, these are the forums on which to ask.
My EDC is the SureFire E2e, although when specifically out in the dark, I carry the M3 and perhaps larger SureFires.
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April 24, 2002, 07:57 AM
I'm an old fashioned kinda guy... 6-D cell maglite. I don't really carry it around all the time, just when I take the puppybeast for a walk around the lake at night. Otherwise, it's next to my HK for the "just in case" scenario.
April 24, 2002, 09:03 PM
I just got a Scorpion but haven't tested it out yet.I've always been a Maglite guy but needed something I could activate while holding a handgun and it was alot cheaper than the Surefires.
April 24, 2002, 09:12 PM
E2 clipped to left pocket. And they let you on airliners with it.
April 24, 2002, 09:20 PM
I carry a Sure Fire 6P.
April 24, 2002, 09:44 PM
G-2 and a 3-c or 3-d Mag http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/bandit.gif
April 25, 2002, 11:09 AM
I carry different flash lights for different applications.I always have an ASP on My key ring and a 4cell Maglight in My vehicle.At night while out and about I carry a Surefire 6Z Combat light in a Blade-Tech Kydex holder.Otherwise a Mini-Maglight is used for most of My lighting chores.tom.
April 26, 2002, 12:55 AM
Constant carry is a SureFire 6P. At the end of the week it'll be moving from my pocket into an Alessi belt carrier. At night I normally carry a Streamlight Stinger (slightly longer and rechargeable). I'm also trying to get the rechargeable conversion kit for the 6P.
April 27, 2002, 11:27 PM
I use a 6P, in an uncle mike's nylon carrier on duty, and a kydex horizontal carrier bought from Armor of NH(Ayoob's company) off duty. On duty I also have a Streamlight SL20 in a flashlight ring on my belt.
TxShooter, I had the rechargeable setup, the 6R, and do not recommend it. It lowers the output of the light. A sililar size would be the 8X, which is much better, IMO.
April 28, 2002, 12:11 AM
Original 6P. This light has saved me more than I care to remember. Everything from illuminating city streets and parking lots when i think there might be a problem, to fixing a friend's truck. The important thing is to carry it with you at all times. I own a bunch of Maglites and they don't get used very often.
May 2, 2002, 08:27 PM
I have found that anything that uses batteries will fail when you need it most. So I always carry two lights. Primary a Surefire 6P in a surefire light holder on my belt, back up is a Photon micro light on the key chain. For more dressy occasions I use a surefire E-2 clipped in to my back pocket. A good light will only serve you if it is with you.
August 20, 2002, 10:45 AM
Good to see the flashlight manufacture I'm leaing towards for personal carry is popular here. I'm seriously looking at the Z3, possibly one of the "Executive" variants to accompany my concealed weapon when out and about.
I keep a 2-D Cell Maglite handy at strategic places in the home. One in my office/hobby room, one in the bedroom, one in the kitchen and one in each vehicle. I also stash one of the mini-mag lights (2-AA) in my day pack when trekking through the woods. A couple of the mini's are scattered here and there to suppliment the other maglites.
Keep those opinions and advice coming... Good info!!
August 20, 2002, 11:01 AM
Mini maglight in each vehicle...
Maglight Solitaire in my pocket
6D-cell Maglight in pickup and Jeep (good club, great light)
August 20, 2002, 12:47 PM
Z3 for me
August 20, 2002, 12:52 PM
A Surefire M-2 is my favorite light. I also have a streamlight scorpion which I like also. After you go with a Surefire or a Streamlight those mag lights look like a bad candle on a birthday cake. Wish I had found these long ago.The wife has a Surefire Executive Elite that she likes a bunch..........A bit of advise for new buyers of Surefire lights would be the original 6P has the most holster options of all Surefire lights if you don't like the clip on type....Only thing I wish the Streamlight Scorpion had that it doesn't is a lock out tailcap.
August 20, 2002, 04:18 PM
I used to use a Streamlight Scorpion till I did a night shoot and Andy Stanford let me try his SureFire E2E. I liked it enough I bought one and now it lives clipped to my pocket. The Streamlight stays in the bugout bag in the truck with the 4D Maglite already there.
Double Naught Spy
August 20, 2002, 11:29 PM
I have both Streamlight Scorpions and Sure Fire Z3s. No doubt that the Sure Fire light beam is more regular and has no shadow spots. This is due to the non-adjustible aspect of the light being part of the reflector. That seems to be the same for all Sure Fires.
In comparing my Scorpion with fresh batteries against my Z3 that uses 3-3 volt batteries versus the 2 in the Scorpion, I am not terribly impressed by the Sure Fire that cost nearly 3 times as much. With either light I have no problem being able to illuminate a target at 100 yards which is probably 75 yards further than the greatest range at which I would engage a target with a handgun. The 2 battery Sure Fires like the 6P cost about twice as much as the Scorpion.
The Scorpion has some other advantages beside being less expensive when bought knew and having comparable usefulness for the intended job. The Scorpion actually comes with a spare bulb that is carried in the light housing. So you get two bulbs with your purchase. Also, replacement bulbs run about $5 for the Scorpion, but for the fixed light Sure Fire that does not come with a spare, not only is the light going to be replaced when it goes out, but so too is the reflector. Depending on where you purchase, the replacement may run $15 on sale up to $25.
No doubt that the Sure Fires are better lights. But for the money, the extra beam quality benefits are hugely expensive for the amount of improvement over the Scorpion. Twice or three times the price does not result in twice or three times the improvement of the light. The Sure Fire is a better light, but the Scorpion is more cost effective and at closer ranges, both perform very well.
August 20, 2002, 11:38 PM
What are you doing here? Looking for another moderator job?:eek:
You don't even own firearms in the UK do you?
August 21, 2002, 12:06 AM
Since my Surefire 8X is in for repair I have been carrying my normal off duty light an E2E on duty as well for about two weeks of midnights. I have it clipped in my weakside pocket. After drawing it on two felony stops this seems to be a good spot for it. When I have my 8X it is carried in a Blade Tec bezel down carrier in the front of my duty belt on the weak side so I can present it with my pistol. I also have a Streamlight Stinger in the car for backup or for when some bonehead on my shift forgets his light. I feel like Deniro saying "This is this".
August 22, 2002, 05:27 PM
I tend to hang out where-ever SureFires are being discussed.
I don't need another Moderatorship. I'm a very specialised guy - flashlights (who am I kidding?) SureFires are my bag.
As I understand it from my limited experience, an Englishman does not have the same firearms rights that Americans fight so hard to keep. Nor does he have rights to carry "offensive" weapons such as knives, batons, sprays or tasers etc. But he is allowed to carry a torch, wear a wristwatch, and have a pen in his jacket pocket. His mobile phone has two number to alert the emergency services although he may not realise that 112 works just as well as 999.
But I'm off topic...
Have you guys seen the prices being quoted for SureFire's KLx and G2Z?
These products are going to rock. Seriously! :cool:
When I first got into SureFires, the Scorpion'v'SureFire debate was hot. Now I get the impression it's a dead issue. Over the years, the SureFires are evolved, improved.
The E2(e) has become the carry flashlight that people post about when asked what they carry. The 6P is a Classic, but just like the Scorpion and other SureFire clones, life has moved on.
We are experiencing a revolution in illumination technology.
August 22, 2002, 07:57 PM
Me E1e goes everywhere with me. Hoping to move up to an E2e or G2 for my birthday coming up.
August 25, 2002, 09:30 PM
3 d-cell Maglites in each vehicle. One in the attic. 2 d-cell Maglite by the bed along with a Hubbellite mini. Minimag in my closet to make sure my tie matches! Regular Hubbellite in the den.
Pound for pound the Maglites have been reliable and effective. I'm looking at a Streamlight however...
August 26, 2002, 05:04 PM
Since we're talking lights and no one has responded to my separate thread, let me ask it here.
How do you mount your light to your gun? I'm considering the Quick 2 See system brought to us by Break-Free. It seems the best of the systems out there, as it allows you to place mounting brackets on several weapons and switch the same flashlight around as you need it.
I particularly like the idea of having one light for my Mossy 500c and Colt 1991. With the Colt, I could have a dedicated spare mag fitted with the mounting bracket and use it as a right-angle light. This would mean not covering a no-shoot target with my weapon, but having the light and spare mag handy should it be needed.
Attached to the mossy, it's another story, but I live alone and wouldn't need to worry about non-hostiles in the house.
Anyhow, it looks like a good system on the website and I was wondering if anyone had seen or tried it.
August 26, 2002, 06:10 PM
6Z, but after this thread I'm thinking about changing to the E2e. I like the lock-out tailcap, and I wish the 6Z was just a hair smaller, but I don't want to go to a single-cell light.
August 26, 2002, 06:17 PM
So where is the cheapest place / price to buy the damn expensive batteries that these flashlights EAT up?
August 28, 2002, 03:49 PM
E1e for a "disappears in the pocket but always there" light, and an M2 for those occasions when more light is needed or my pockets are bigger!
August 28, 2002, 06:09 PM
I just received an order of 20 Toshiba CR123a's from Botach for $30. Best price I could find. Shipped on time and everything.
August 29, 2002, 10:19 AM
Surefire E2e. Bought from botach for a good price. Also bought the 20 pack of lithium batteries, great price @$26 or so with gommint discount.
Backup is photon microlight 3, white LED. Looking for an Inova x5 Tactical.. I heard these can use the spent lithium batteries from the Surefire. Might be nice.
I really liked the pocket clip on the E2e... but... it does kind of get in the way if you carry other stuff in your pocket, even though it is a small light. The way it is set up, the bezel is facing upwards meaning that it might have a higher potential of being scratched or dinged up. I'm thinking about switching to a Z2 or Z3 and carrying in pocket bezel down with lanyard hanging out a little so I can tug to retrieve it.
The E2e is VERY nice. IMO well worth the $. Two days ago it came in handy checking out some of the very dark animal exhibits at the local wild animal park. Impressive.
August 30, 2002, 04:36 PM
I patrol the hood and in the hood there seems to be a lot more mirriors in homes than other places. If you have a light dedicated weapon and that baby hits the mirror it blinds the hell out of you. Easier to avoid with an off hand light. By the way, I got my 8X back in two weeks. The gave me a new battery and a lens for nothing. So to pay em back I ordered my Mom and E1.
September 1, 2002, 01:16 AM
Surefire E2. Its a great light! I'm very satisfied with it.
GlockPower- Try http://www.cheapbatteries.com They have them in bulk at good prices.
September 1, 2002, 08:02 AM
I've got about 5 flashlights around the house/car/briefcase, total I probably paid $35.
Bedroom and back-door, I've got those 6-volt lanterns that you can get at Lowe's for $3.75 or so on special... I keep ending up with more of them, because during hurricane season you can usually get the lantern with battery for less than you can buy the battery on its own.
In the car is one of those rubber-armor type 2-D flashes, with the batteries in a separate container, this after I reached for the light years ago and found that the batteries had leaked and ruined the light.
In my briefcase, which is with me almost always when I'm out of the house, I've got a mini-maglite 2-AA with batteries out, same reason as the car light, and... the jewel of them all, one of those little $2.50 "elbow" shaped disposable flashlights you can get in any American hardware or discount stores. I carried one years ago on a cross-America hitchhiking trip, and it did great. They seem to ALWAYS light up, they are cheap to replace, I've got one in each bug-out bag, and if I have to transit the 18 floors of the exit stairway in my office building in an emergency, I know it will do the job for me.
Now, I do envy you your clip-on skorpions and sure-fires, and someday I'll own one, but the siren call of the reloading equipment and components keeps draining my bank account before I order one.
September 4, 2002, 05:37 PM
Well I like my Surefire M-2 more than my Streamlight Scorpion because I have found the switch on the Scorpion to be way too touchy. While headed out camping over Labor day weekend I had my Scorpion in it's holster on my weak side while driving. I checked it and it wasn't being pushed on the bottom of the light and it came on still and burned a spot on the holster and sunk in the lense a bit. This thing needs a stiffer switch or a lock out tailcap. Just my .02
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