Fn P90

GLJones · September 27, 2001, 02:36 PM

I really want an FN P90. I understand that there are no legaly transferable ones so what about this...

Can a Class III dealer order one for me and convert it to semi-auto only? Would that make it legal to own? I know there are no legal pre-ban mags but I like the look of this firearm and would just like to have one, ten round limit if must be.

Correia · September 27, 2001, 03:26 PM

ATF rules that once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

DUDE · September 27, 2001, 03:58 PM

If for some how you where able to get a P90 you would not be able to buy the Ammo to shoot it, the 5.7x28 round is fires is not legaly for any one that is not a Cop, or in the Military, to have.
If you would like some thing that look and feels like a P90 then you can buy a Air-Soft P90 that shoots BBs for about $400.

Robert the41MagFan · September 27, 2001, 04:01 PM

I believe that part of the 94' weapons ban prohibits the possession of a foreign made short barrel rifles manufactured after Sept of 94'. And then there is the problem of the magazine capacity.

the 5.7x28 round is fires is not legaly for any one that is not a Cop, or in the Military, to have.

It was FN's choice not to offer this cartridge to civilians, not law.

Robert

DUDE · September 27, 2001, 07:15 PM

No it really is not legaly to have this round, the BATF ruled that the 5.7x28 cartridge is "non-sporting" and cannot be sold outside of Law Enforcement and Military agencies.

scouter27 · September 27, 2001, 08:15 PM

Even if you could get the ammo, it would be very expensive to fire, even in semi auto. I also don't think that the magazine can be in low cap. only, due to it's design, but it could be made mostly of solid plastic, but I may be thinking of another weapon.

Correia · September 28, 2001, 11:17 AM

The only way that I think that you could legally obtain one of these is to become an SOT (Special Occupational Taxpayer). I do not know the details of this, but basically the ATF says that your job allows you to have restricted weapons. Like if you are an FFL that sells to law enforcement. Then you can have one as a "dealer sample".

The following link has lots of good information about this illogical piece of crap legislation.

http://www.2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...st/nfa_faq.txt

**4V50 Gary** · September 28, 2001, 12:52 PM

Of course, we can make a civilian version of the cartridge and calling it 22 FN.

Hunter Rose · October 2, 2001, 04:22 PM

Actually, for those willing to go with the "toy" version, I seem to recall seeing the P90 offered on a website for around $250. I'll see if I can dig up the link later tonight...

scouter27 · October 2, 2001, 05:19 PM

What good would that be

GLJones · October 2, 2001, 05:31 PM

Oh well, Just one more reason for civil disobedience. If everyone would follow the constitution and ignore all laws contrary to it, the government would find it impossible to enforce anything.

Lets hope the Supreme Court will eventually declare all gun laws unconstitutional and really scare the crap out of the liberals/socialists.

scouter27 · October 3, 2001, 03:16 PM

I wouldn't say ALL gun laws are unconstitutional. I don't mind the insta-check, or the security behind owning a class III. But, then again, some are very bad.

**4V50 Gary** · October 6, 2001, 04:07 PM

Got to play with one again this past week. A law enforcement distributor brought one to the "trade" show and everyone had an opportunity to empty a magazine. Tried a few single shots (easy to accomplish when set on full auto) and then short bursts followed by a long, continuous burst. It was sweet.

scouter27 · October 6, 2001, 04:37 PM

What was the recoil like? Too much to control on full auto or not?

**4V50 Gary** · October 8, 2001, 10:59 AM

It's a small bullet & the FN P90 is easier to control than a SMG.

fal308 · October 9, 2001, 09:30 AM

Saw three of them on tables at Knob Creek last weekend. Tow were on Gemtech's table and one had a suppressor on it. Don't recall where I saw the other one but it was near Gemtech's table.

**4V50 Gary** · October 9, 2001, 12:57 PM

Hey Barclay,

Hope all is well with you.

Gary

EQUALIZER · October 9, 2001, 01:20 PM

Does anyone know if I could purchase ammo and the FN with a class 3? I've been wanting one too. Is the ammo all that much? How much and who distributes it?

Is there anything pre-ban (mags) that are comparable in size, wt. and ammo?

Lots of ?s, but a couple of us just got to get one, or at least something close. Air soft fluff shot just isn't the same.

Thanks!

eq

DUDE · October 9, 2001, 03:55 PM

As i said in one of my frist posts on this thread it is not legaly to have the 5.7x28 cartridge, the BATF ruled that the 5.7x28 cartridge is "non-sporting" and cannot be sold outside of Law Enforcement and Military agencies.
And FN is not looking to make or sell the P90 in any other round.

Benjamin · October 9, 2001, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Does anyone know if I could purchase ammo and the FN with a class 3? I've been wanting one too. Is the ammo all that much? How much and who distributes it? Is there anything pre-ban (mags) that are comparable in size, wt. and ammo?

If you had a class III dealer's license, yes. No problems then.

As for the money - if you have to ask about feeding it, you shouldn't have bought it. (Highbrow way of saying that I have no clue)

Anything preban that compares.....how about a Grendel? 30 really high velocity, small bore projectiles ? It's a .22 Mag pistol, if you weren't familliar.

EQUALIZER · October 9, 2001, 10:03 PM

Thanks for the responses guys.
I'm not that familiar with the P31. Never shot one. As to pre-ban, I was wondering if many quality sub-sized autos like the FN p90 are still available pre-ban make new or used? I wasn't too clear about the "pre-ban". I was thinking not only in terms of what the "Crime Bill" did to felonize the purchase of over 100 weapons by their classification, but also in terms of 10 mag cap.

Was also hoping that the ammo would be available to a class III holder who was a lowly civilian. OH well...

Guess we can give up on exercising our inalienable rights when it comes to this one.

Anybody got any ideas on what would be comparable and available to the citizens at large?

fal308 · October 10, 2001, 12:06 PM

Gary,
Still alive and kicking! Sorry about your DPMS having to leave.

Equalizer,
The FN P90 never was pre-ban. They weren't brought out until after the 1986 ban. They weren't even out until after the semi-auto "assault weapons" ban IIRC, and there are no semi-auto versions of them around.
If you're looking for a substitute that mere civilians can own in the USofA the closest I can think of would be the Calico pistol. These came in.22lr and 9mm. This won't get you near the same ballistics as the 5.7 but you do get the full capacity magazine holding either 50 or 100 rounds

Use the search feature with 5.7 as the keyword. I somewhat recall several threads dealing with discussions of comparable rounds.

scouter27 · October 10, 2001, 01:35 PM

Do you (anyone) know where I could order one of those Calico carbines? They look like feally fun firearms.

fal308 · October 11, 2001, 09:57 AM

Gun Broker has some currently listed www.gunbroker.com and search using "Calico".
Guns America also has several listings; www.gunsamerica.com and search using "Calico"
I also see them semi-regularly at gunshows.

scottMO · October 11, 2001, 05:01 PM

I got to demo one last May. It is a sweet shooter. Very minimal recoil. the selector switch was very different (if you are used to a H&K. During the demo, a round was fired and went through a kevlar helmet and vest and then into several layers of wood. But when it was fired at the wood from an angle, it didn't even penetrate the first layer of wood, but did not recochet (sp).

The FN Rep that brought the rifles, stated that St. Louis PD was purchasing these (semi-only) to replace their shotguns and that these would soon be in all of the squad cars.

I have heard that they have a flaw, that if/when a gun is dropped, the bullets in the mag will jumble up and get out of alignment, causing problems.

FWIW,

scottMO

September 27, 2001, 02:36 PM	#1
GLJones Member Join Date: August 10, 2001 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 16	Fn P90 I really want an FN P90. I understand that there are no legaly transferable ones so what about this... Can a Class III dealer order one for me and convert it to semi-auto only? Would that make it legal to own? I know there are no legal pre-ban mags but I like the look of this firearm and would just like to have one, ten round limit if must be. __________________ Jerry

September 27, 2001, 03:58 PM	#3
DUDE Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 405	If for some how you where able to get a P90 you would not be able to buy the Ammo to shoot it, the 5.7x28 round is fires is not legaly for any one that is not a Cop, or in the Military, to have. If you would like some thing that look and feels like a P90 then you can buy a Air-Soft P90 that shoots BBs for about $400. __________________ DUDE

September 27, 2001, 07:15 PM	#5
DUDE Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 405	No it really is not legaly to have this round, the BATF ruled that the 5.7x28 cartridge is "non-sporting" and cannot be sold outside of Law Enforcement and Military agencies. __________________ DUDE

September 27, 2001, 08:15 PM	#6
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	Even if you could get the ammo, it would be very expensive to fire, even in semi auto. I also don't think that the magazine can be in low cap. only, due to it's design, but it could be made mostly of solid plastic, but I may be thinking of another weapon. __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

September 28, 2001, 12:52 PM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	Of course, we can make a civilian version of the cartridge and calling it 22 FN. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

September 27, 2001, 03:26 PM	#2
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	ATF rules that once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

September 27, 2001, 04:01 PM	#4
Robert the41MagFan Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1999 Posts: 1,233	I believe that part of the 94' weapons ban prohibits the possession of a foreign made short barrel rifles manufactured after Sept of 94'. And then there is the problem of the magazine capacity. the 5.7x28 round is fires is not legaly for any one that is not a Cop, or in the Military, to have. It was FN's choice not to offer this cartridge to civilians, not law. Robert

September 28, 2001, 11:17 AM	#7
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	The only way that I think that you could legally obtain one of these is to become an SOT (Special Occupational Taxpayer). I do not know the details of this, but basically the ATF says that your job allows you to have restricted weapons. Like if you are an FFL that sells to law enforcement. Then you can have one as a "dealer sample". The following link has lots of good information about this illogical piece of crap legislation. http://www.2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...st/nfa_faq.txt

October 2, 2001, 04:22 PM	#9
Hunter Rose Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2001 Location: 30 miles from Everywhere, right in the middle of Nowhere... Posts: 718	Airsoft Actually, for those willing to go with the "toy" version, I seem to recall seeing the P90 offered on a website for around $250. I'll see if I can dig up the link later tonight... __________________ No Child Should Live In Fear Airplane Pictures

October 2, 2001, 05:19 PM	#10
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	What good would that be __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

October 2, 2001, 05:31 PM	#11
GLJones Member Join Date: August 10, 2001 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 16	Oh well, Just one more reason for civil disobedience. If everyone would follow the constitution and ignore all laws contrary to it, the government would find it impossible to enforce anything. Lets hope the Supreme Court will eventually declare all gun laws unconstitutional and really scare the crap out of the liberals/socialists. __________________ Jerry

October 3, 2001, 03:16 PM	#12
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	I wouldn't say ALL gun laws are unconstitutional. I don't mind the insta-check, or the security behind owning a class III. But, then again, some are very bad. __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

October 6, 2001, 04:07 PM	#13
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	Got to play with one again this past week. A law enforcement distributor brought one to the "trade" show and everyone had an opportunity to empty a magazine. Tried a few single shots (easy to accomplish when set on full auto) and then short bursts followed by a long, continuous burst. It was sweet. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 6, 2001, 04:37 PM	#14
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	What was the recoil like? Too much to control on full auto or not? __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

October 8, 2001, 10:59 AM	#15
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	It's a small bullet & the FN P90 is easier to control than a SMG. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 9, 2001, 09:30 AM	#16
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Saw three of them on tables at Knob Creek last weekend. Tow were on Gemtech's table and one had a suppressor on it. Don't recall where I saw the other one but it was near Gemtech's table.

October 9, 2001, 12:57 PM	#17
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	Hey Barclay, Hope all is well with you. Gary __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 9, 2001, 01:20 PM	#18
EQUALIZER Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 1999 Posts: 657	Does anyone know if I could purchase ammo and the FN with a class 3? I've been wanting one too. Is the ammo all that much? How much and who distributes it? Is there anything pre-ban (mags) that are comparable in size, wt. and ammo? Lots of ?s, but a couple of us just got to get one, or at least something close. Air soft fluff shot just isn't the same. Thanks! eq

October 9, 2001, 03:55 PM	#19
DUDE Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 405	As i said in one of my frist posts on this thread it is not legaly to have the 5.7x28 cartridge, the BATF ruled that the 5.7x28 cartridge is "non-sporting" and cannot be sold outside of Law Enforcement and Military agencies. And FN is not looking to make or sell the P90 in any other round. __________________ DUDE

October 9, 2001, 10:03 PM	#21
EQUALIZER Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 1999 Posts: 657	Thanks for the responses guys. I'm not that familiar with the P31. Never shot one. As to pre-ban, I was wondering if many quality sub-sized autos like the FN p90 are still available pre-ban make new or used? I wasn't too clear about the "pre-ban". I was thinking not only in terms of what the "Crime Bill" did to felonize the purchase of over 100 weapons by their classification, but also in terms of 10 mag cap. Was also hoping that the ammo would be available to a class III holder who was a lowly civilian. OH well... Guess we can give up on exercising our inalienable rights when it comes to this one. Anybody got any ideas on what would be comparable and available to the citizens at large? __________________ "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ--Originator of RKBA and first weapon. (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18) --------------------------- "Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ

October 10, 2001, 12:06 PM	#22
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Gary, Still alive and kicking! Sorry about your DPMS having to leave. Equalizer, The FN P90 never was pre-ban. They weren't brought out until after the 1986 ban. They weren't even out until after the semi-auto "assault weapons" ban IIRC, and there are no semi-auto versions of them around. If you're looking for a substitute that mere civilians can own in the USofA the closest I can think of would be the Calico pistol. These came in.22lr and 9mm. This won't get you near the same ballistics as the 5.7 but you do get the full capacity magazine holding either 50 or 100 rounds Use the search feature with 5.7 as the keyword. I somewhat recall several threads dealing with discussions of comparable rounds.

October 10, 2001, 01:35 PM	#23
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	Do you (anyone) know where I could order one of those Calico carbines? They look like feally fun firearms. __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

October 11, 2001, 09:57 AM	#24
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Gun Broker has some currently listed www.gunbroker.com and search using "Calico". Guns America also has several listings; www.gunsamerica.com and search using "Calico" I also see them semi-regularly at gunshows.

October 11, 2001, 05:01 PM	#25
scottMO Member Join Date: October 25, 1999 Location: Arkansas Posts: 44	I got to demo one last May. It is a sweet shooter. Very minimal recoil. the selector switch was very different (if you are used to a H&K. During the demo, a round was fired and went through a kevlar helmet and vest and then into several layers of wood. But when it was fired at the wood from an angle, it didn't even penetrate the first layer of wood, but did not recochet (sp). The FN Rep that brought the rifles, stated that St. Louis PD was purchasing these (semi-only) to replace their shotguns and that these would soon be in all of the squad cars. I have heard that they have a flaw, that if/when a gun is dropped, the bullets in the mag will jumble up and get out of alignment, causing problems. FWIW, scottMO

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