Are Torx Head Screws Better?

Matt VDW · March 7, 2001, 01:20 PM

Are the "Torx" type screws with the recess that looks like an asterisk really capable of being tightened more than slotted or hex head screws?

If so, why aren't they more popular?

bergie · March 7, 2001, 05:55 PM

not really able to get them any tighter, but the bit is less likely to slip when loosening or tightening, compared to a straight slot. Compared to hex head, not really any difference except they will catch and hold more dirt.
bergie

HankL · March 7, 2001, 07:25 PM

The torx type screw can be torqued down quite a bit more than the allen style in my experience. This is especially true when using the smaller sizes as used in scope rings and the like. I don't think that the full potential of the torx configuration is needed in scope mounting but you should never be frustrated by a rounded out screw head either.
Just my .02

WalterGAII · March 7, 2001, 11:59 PM

I use nothing but torx screws for my scope mounts and rings. Hex screws are just too easy to round off; not so, with torx screws. Leupold recommends using a drop of oil on their torx ring and mount screws, rather than Loctite. Torx screws will take more torque than hex screws of the same size.

LIProgun · March 8, 2001, 09:51 AM

I too am a big fan of Torx-head screws. Much harder to strip the heads, much harder to slip out of the head (as opposed to a screwdriver), and I think they can be torqued higher.

LoneStranger · March 8, 2001, 07:13 PM

I realize that this might be a silly question but when you are tightening screws do any of you use a torque wrench and do you have access to proper torque specifications?
Some time back there was a presentation where I worked in regards to torque on fasteners. Seems that what they were able to demonstrate was that after the first use of a properly torqued Grade 5 fastener its clamping ability went down on subsequent applications when torqued to the proper spec. This is why things just don't hold so well after they are worked on multiple times.
Having had numerous fasteners fold, bend, spindle and mutilate themselves do to my weak exertions I wonder about the rest having a similiar problem.
My understanding is that most allen/torx fasteners are presently rated Grade 8.

HankL · March 8, 2001, 07:41 PM

Quote:

I realize that this might be a silly question but when you are tightening screws do any of you use a torque wrench and do you have access to proper torque specifications?

Yes, I do, but not in the case of putting scope ring halves together. I have never found a need to do anything other than pull the rings together firmly while keeping the scope in the alignment you wanted. I understand that Matt VDW posed a very open question

LoneStranger · March 10, 2001, 12:39 AM

HankL
I agree that it was a very open question and I didn't feel like getting into a full discussion of what makes one fastener better than another.
Answer: It depends on what you are working with and what you are trying to achieve.
And in that "It depends" is one very large body of work with lots of answers with no one answer being totally right.

March 7, 2001, 07:25 PM	#3
HankL Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: The Sunny South Posts: 2,174	The torx type screw can be torqued down quite a bit more than the allen style in my experience. This is especially true when using the smaller sizes as used in scope rings and the like. I don't think that the full potential of the torx configuration is needed in scope mounting but you should never be frustrated by a rounded out screw head either. Just my .02 __________________ Check 6

March 8, 2001, 09:51 AM	#5
LIProgun Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2000 Location: Hudson Valley, NY Posts: 489	I too am a big fan of Torx-head screws. Much harder to strip the heads, much harder to slip out of the head (as opposed to a screwdriver), and I think they can be torqued higher. __________________ MOLON LABE. - Leonidas of Sparta, 480 B.C.

March 7, 2001, 01:20 PM	#1
Matt VDW Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 1999 Posts: 1,315	Are the "Torx" type screws with the recess that looks like an asterisk really capable of being tightened more than slotted or hex head screws? If so, why aren't they more popular?

March 7, 2001, 05:55 PM	#2
bergie Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 1999 Posts: 567	not really able to get them any tighter, but the bit is less likely to slip when loosening or tightening, compared to a straight slot. Compared to hex head, not really any difference except they will catch and hold more dirt. bergie

March 7, 2001, 11:59 PM	#4
WalterGAII Junior member Join Date: November 7, 1999 Posts: 1,516	I use nothing but torx screws for my scope mounts and rings. Hex screws are just too easy to round off; not so, with torx screws. Leupold recommends using a drop of oil on their torx ring and mount screws, rather than Loctite. Torx screws will take more torque than hex screws of the same size.

March 8, 2001, 07:13 PM	#6
LoneStranger Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2000 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 576	I realize that this might be a silly question but when you are tightening screws do any of you use a torque wrench and do you have access to proper torque specifications? Some time back there was a presentation where I worked in regards to torque on fasteners. Seems that what they were able to demonstrate was that after the first use of a properly torqued Grade 5 fastener its clamping ability went down on subsequent applications when torqued to the proper spec. This is why things just don't hold so well after they are worked on multiple times. Having had numerous fasteners fold, bend, spindle and mutilate themselves do to my weak exertions I wonder about the rest having a similiar problem. My understanding is that most allen/torx fasteners are presently rated Grade 8.

March 10, 2001, 12:39 AM	#8
LoneStranger Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2000 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 576	HankL I agree that it was a very open question and I didn't feel like getting into a full discussion of what makes one fastener better than another. Answer: It depends on what you are working with and what you are trying to achieve. And in that "It depends" is one very large body of work with lots of answers with no one answer being totally right.