The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 3, 2012, 08:34 AM   #1
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
McC, you may want to try this out...

when you are in central PA. One of the most advanced shooting facilities on the planet. Regular ATA trap targets travel at 45mph from 1 trap, international trap targets travel at 65mph from 15 separate stations inside the bunker. Talk about the ultimate shotgun experience!! The best thing, you just insert a credit card, it counts up the birds and you are billed accordingly. The trap house holds over 200,000 clay targets...













Checkout the website. I've shot it a couple of times...

http://keystoneshootingpark.com/
Slugo is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 08:41 AM   #2
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
also, on the same grounds you can shoot championship quality sporting clays...

http://martzs.com/sporting-clays.htm
Slugo is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 09:52 AM   #3
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Thanks for the pics, Slugo. They substantiate my comment of last Friday, "With 15 machines and a lot of concrete work, bunkers are expensive." It's nice to see a new range being developed. I'm curious, is PA exempt from the ADA? I know some wheelchair shooters who would find those stairs insurmountable.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 10:01 AM   #4
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
zippy, these kinds of structures are exempt from the ADA regulations...
Slugo is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 11:57 AM   #5
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Quote:
these kinds of structures are exempt from the ADA regulations
Try telling that to the wheelchair panthers. If it's an activity open to the public, they'll demand their right to access. The purpose of the ADA is to prevent this type of exclusion.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 01:49 PM   #6
TheKlawMan
Junior member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 2,149
Now I understand why they call it bunker trap. It looks like part of the Atlantic Wall.
TheKlawMan is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 02:33 PM   #7
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Quote:
It looks like part of the Atlantic Wall.
TKM, in our part of the country, bunkers are typically at grade and are unremarkable unless seen from the business side. This one appears to be constructed into a hill side.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 04:15 PM   #8
oneounceload
Junior member
 
Join Date: April 18, 2008
Location: N. Central Florida
Posts: 8,518
And when it is too cold in PA, come to Gainesville for some bunker
oneounceload is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 04:41 PM   #9
Drummer101
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 22, 2009
Location: DFW
Posts: 943
Got family in Gainsville....

Maybe someday.
__________________
"I would say that we have to make up criteria."
OK, which is better for 2 Bantu, 5 Hottentots, and 3 pygmies playing a war march on a calliope at 3 a.m. during a monsoon?
Show your work and round to the nearest decimal. -Mike Irwin
Drummer101 is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 05:24 PM   #10
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
zippy, again, this structure does not come under the federal ADA regulations, nor any other building codes, both local and state...
Slugo is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 07:16 PM   #11
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Slogo, Section 206.2.2 of the Standards is pretty explicit.
It requires at least one accessible route to connect accessible buildings, facilities, elements, and spaces on the same site.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 07:41 PM   #12
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
you are aware that even the feds struck down dozens of provisions within the standards. And, the federal regs apply to facilities that are constructed with federal funds, or, receive federal funds like hospitals and clinics through both the Medicare and Medicaid health financing programs. Also, universities, schools and other institutions receiving federal funding. Don't know of any clay target venues receiving federal funding!

I'm a registered architect and serve on the AIA committee on Minimum Standards for Health Care Facilities and Hospitals. I also served on the AIA ADA standards task force back when the law was promulgated...
Slugo is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 09:16 PM   #13
Dave McC
Staff In Memoriam
 
Join Date: October 13, 1999
Location: Columbia, Md, USA
Posts: 8,811
Thanks, looks like my kind of playpen.

If we do this, more like after Labor Day. Over the summer, I get to play Grandpa with a grand niece. She's turning 12 and will be staying with us for a while.

I'll take her fishing, teach her to shoot and whittle, and to mistrust the government. All the right skills and values.....
Dave McC is offline  
Old June 3, 2012, 11:23 PM   #14
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Slugo, please see PM.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 01:14 AM   #15
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
zippy, got it and replied. I see we have quite a bit in common!
Slugo is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 07:44 AM   #16
Dave McC
Staff In Memoriam
 
Join Date: October 13, 1999
Location: Columbia, Md, USA
Posts: 8,811
PGC has a bunker setup, the only one this side of Quantico. I shoot it sometimes. IIRC, my best round was an 18/25. Like the dove opener and FITASC, Bunker is a reality check.....
Dave McC is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 01:47 PM   #17
BigJimP
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 23, 2005
Posts: 13,195
Nice looking facility ..../ thanks for the photos..

If I find myself in PA anytime in the next yr or so, I will check it out...
BigJimP is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 02:36 PM   #18
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
BJP, you let me know, I'll take you there!!
Slugo is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 02:39 PM   #19
BigJimP
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 23, 2005
Posts: 13,195
Thanks,

no immediate plans to travel Eastern US....but in a yr or so ...as things in my office slow down a little ...we'll see...
BigJimP is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 03:37 PM   #20
TheKlawMan
Junior member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 2,149
I think I best stay away from bunker trap for a while. If Slugo shot an 18/25, I would probably come away crying. Been thinking about trying 5 stand, which should send me to the showers.
TheKlawMan is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 05:22 PM   #21
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
Klaw, my first time shooting international trap, I hit an amazing 6/25! LOL
Slugo is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 07:11 PM   #22
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
Slugo, do you know, is there target storage under the stairways?
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 07:16 PM   #23
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
why yes my friend, and the enclosure has a 12 hour fire rating with a 12 hour UL rated B-label door and rapid response industrial grade, rack storage sprinklers!!!

PS: We use non-combustible (asbestos) targets. EPA approved...
Slugo is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 07:21 PM   #24
zippy13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,442
...and the shooting stations do double duty as blow-off vents.
zippy13 is offline  
Old June 4, 2012, 07:23 PM   #25
Slugo
Junior member
 
Join Date: September 15, 2001
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,007
we bad!!!
Slugo is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.07881 seconds with 7 queries