Remington 700 w/20" barrel in 270 Win?

hoser · March 1, 2011, 11:15 AM

When did Remington make the 700 with a 20" barrel in 270 Winchester? Found one for sale I was interested in when is was manufactured and if barrel is too short for most effective ballistics in that caliber? I'm not a rifle guy. Thoughts?

warbirdlover · March 1, 2011, 11:50 AM

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/October05.htm

It looks like your muzzle velocity would drop about 100 fps (similar to 30-06). Most ballistic information is derived from 24" barrels. Since most non-magnum rifle barrel lengths are 22" (or at least they were) the standard lengths would drop 50 fps from the published data. Not a big deal really. If someone wants to correct me feel free.

Never heard of Remington making a 20" .270 model 700. Someone might have had a gunsmith shorten it.

Eagle0711 · March 1, 2011, 02:38 PM

There is a couple of positives. If you handload go with the faster powders such as IMR 4350, H414, or many other suitable powders.

The second point with a 20" barrel your accuracy may be a little better because it is stiffer and a-will not whip or viberate as much when shot.

It's also handier and lighter to carry.

If it shoots to your satisfaction, I'd forget about it. What ever it is getting shot will never know the difference.

roklok · March 1, 2011, 02:45 PM

Remington manufactured some 20" 700s back in the 60s and 70s, see them for sale now and then on Gunbroker.

Art Eatman · March 1, 2011, 03:00 PM

About all that faster powders would do is reduce muzzle flash.

While the ballistics wouldn't make it a good gun for open country, the short barrel would make it handy for woods-country hunting. Easy handling in tighter brush and undergrowth, etc. And out to 200 yards or thereabouts, the ballistics would be plenty good to ruin any deer's day. The trajectory starts "drooping" on out toward 300...

Hog Hunter · March 1, 2011, 03:04 PM

If im not mistaken the tactical model 700 is either a 20 or 22

hoser · March 1, 2011, 05:13 PM

This one looks like a standard 700 with open sights.

603Country · March 1, 2011, 05:13 PM

Like Eagle says, if you like it that's all that matters. You might notice a bit more noise and flash from that shorter barrel and you'll probably have a somewhat lower muzzle velocity (which you won't notice), but that's no big deal.

JerryM · March 1, 2011, 11:38 PM

Lower muzzle velocity would be unacceptable to me. My 270s are to do long range shooting at deer and similar size game. My 22 inch barrel will get 3150 out of a 100 gr bullet.

Why get a long range rifle and handicap it with a short barrel? It will also blow the ears off a brass monkey as Jack O'Connor used to say. I would not own one.

Regards,
Jerry

Fat White Boy · March 1, 2011, 11:41 PM

If 50 or 100fps is lost with a shorter barrel, it will still be over 3000fps. Not an issue IMHO....

hoser · March 2, 2011, 01:41 AM

Would it be that much louder with 2" less barrel length? Would it be like having a muzzle brake?

lefteyedom · March 2, 2011, 02:13 AM

Buy the rifle and chrony it. There is no way to know what the MV going to be. CHRONYS have a way of making lyers of reloading manuals and manufacturers of B.B.

Once you kown what the M.V. adjust the scope accordly.

A 270 is a hunting rifle, its ablity to put the first two shots to same point of aim is the important virtue. Wether the 130 gr bullet is going 2800fps or 3100 gps it will cleanly kill deer if the bullet it put in the right spot

I have used 20" barrel 06 and 308 for years and have been happy with them.

jmr40 · March 2, 2011, 08:44 AM

Remington did make some 20" barreled 700 carbines in several calibers. I'm guessing late 60's and early 70's, but could be wrong.

The muzzle blast will be a bit louder, but you will never notice the slight loss of velocity in a normal hunting situation.

JerryM · March 2, 2011, 09:56 AM

But if we say that 100 fps does not count, why not another 100 fps? I buy a .270 to get .270 ballistics. That is at least 3100 fps with a 130 gr bullet.

Regards,
Jerry

jmr40 · March 2, 2011, 02:52 PM

It won't be 100fps. Likely 50-60 fps. You will see a greater difference between individual barrels of the same length than you will between 2" of barrel length. I've got rifles with the same barrel length that will shoot 100fps different from each other. I've got 20" barrels that will shoot faster than 22" barrels with the same ammo.

thesheepdog · March 2, 2011, 02:53 PM

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I've got 20" barrels that will shoot faster than 22" barrels with the same ammo.

Probably a combination of fast burning powders and rifling difference (slower twist rates produce slightly faster velocties).

warbirdlover · March 2, 2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

But if we say that 100 fps does not count, why not another 100 fps? I buy a .270 to get .270 ballistics. That is at least 3100 fps with a 130 gr bullet.

Regards,
Jerry

Yes but most .270 barrels are 22" long standard. (There are some companies now making them 24"). The ballistic data is from testing in 24" barrels. So a "normal" length 22" barrel will lose about 50 fps from the published data of 3060 fps with a 130 gr bullet. Of course there's the Hornady "superperformance" ammo.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/balli...inchester.html

jmr40 · March 2, 2011, 04:22 PM

Both are FN Winchester barrels with the same twist.

Some barrels just shoot faster than expected, some slower than expected. It seems to be the quality of the barrel. Quality barrels with closer tolerences tend to shoot faster and be more accurate.

Buying a gun with a 2" longer barrel is no guarantee it will be faster than another gun with a slightly longer barrel. As a general rule, yes. Just not to the extreme that some folks keep repeating on the internet.

There is no perfect math formula to predict what will happen, but the closest I've found is to expect about .5%-1% velocity change for each inch your barrel length changes.

Where you make the cut is huge as well. Almost any round does pretty well between 20"-24". Cut a 26" barrel down to 24" and the drop in velocity will be very small. Cut a 18" barrel down to 16" and you will see a much larger difference.

JerryM · March 2, 2011, 07:46 PM

Quote Yes but most .270 barrels are 22" long standard. (There are some companies now making them 24"). The ballistic data is from testing in 24" barrels. So a "normal" length 22" barrel will lose about 50 fps from the published data of 3060 fps with a 130 gr bullet. Of course there's the Hornady "superperformance" ammo. End Quote

The two .270 rifles I have are 22" and both get 3100 fps or slightly over with 130 gr bullets.
Yes, different rifles vary. Let each do as he will, but my minimum barrel length on a hunting rifle for long ranges is 22".

Jack O'Connor claimed 3200 fps from his 22" barrel .270 with 130 grain bullets, but 3150 has been my top vel with reasonable pressures.

Regards,
Jerry

lefteyedom · March 3, 2011, 05:28 AM

Bullet speed is greatly overrated...
If you know the targets range and the cartridge true performance you can hit the target. A 180 grain 308 may not sound like a long range deer rifle but with the right dope it is.
Most hunters will do better with a rifle that fits them than simply
a rifle that shoots a bullet faster.

March 1, 2011, 11:15 AM	#1
hoser Member Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 74	Remington 700 w/20" barrel in 270 Win? When did Remington make the 700 with a 20" barrel in 270 Winchester? Found one for sale I was interested in when is was manufactured and if barrel is too short for most effective ballistics in that caliber? I'm not a rifle guy. Thoughts?

March 1, 2011, 11:38 PM	#9
JerryM Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,889	Lower muzzle velocity would be unacceptable to me. My 270s are to do long range shooting at deer and similar size game. My 22 inch barrel will get 3150 out of a 100 gr bullet. Why get a long range rifle and handicap it with a short barrel? It will also blow the ears off a brass monkey as Jack O'Connor used to say. I would not own one. Regards, Jerry __________________ Ecclesiastes 12:13 ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

March 2, 2011, 02:13 AM	#12
lefteyedom Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 333	Buy the rifle and chrony it. There is no way to know what the MV going to be. CHRONYS have a way of making lyers of reloading manuals and manufacturers of B.B. Once you kown what the M.V. adjust the scope accordly. A 270 is a hunting rifle, its ablity to put the first two shots to same point of aim is the important virtue. Wether the 130 gr bullet is going 2800fps or 3100 gps it will cleanly kill deer if the bullet it put in the right spot I have used 20" barrel 06 and 308 for years and have been happy with them. __________________ Superman, you are a mean drunk

March 2, 2011, 09:56 AM	#14
JerryM Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,889	But if we say that 100 fps does not count, why not another 100 fps? I buy a .270 to get .270 ballistics. That is at least 3100 fps with a 130 gr bullet. Regards, Jerry __________________ Ecclesiastes 12:13 ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

March 2, 2011, 07:46 PM	#19
JerryM Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,889	Quote Yes but most .270 barrels are 22" long standard. (There are some companies now making them 24"). The ballistic data is from testing in 24" barrels. So a "normal" length 22" barrel will lose about 50 fps from the published data of 3060 fps with a 130 gr bullet. Of course there's the Hornady "superperformance" ammo. End Quote The two .270 rifles I have are 22" and both get 3100 fps or slightly over with 130 gr bullets. Yes, different rifles vary. Let each do as he will, but my minimum barrel length on a hunting rifle for long ranges is 22". Jack O'Connor claimed 3200 fps from his 22" barrel .270 with 130 grain bullets, but 3150 has been my top vel with reasonable pressures. Regards, Jerry __________________ Ecclesiastes 12:13 ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

March 1, 2011, 11:50 AM	#2
warbirdlover Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2009 Location: central Wisconsin Posts: 2,324	http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/October05.htm It looks like your muzzle velocity would drop about 100 fps (similar to 30-06). Most ballistic information is derived from 24" barrels. Since most non-magnum rifle barrel lengths are 22" (or at least they were) the standard lengths would drop 50 fps from the published data. Not a big deal really. If someone wants to correct me feel free. Never heard of Remington making a 20" .270 model 700. Someone might have had a gunsmith shorten it.

March 1, 2011, 02:38 PM	#3
Eagle0711 Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Posts: 782	There is a couple of positives. If you handload go with the faster powders such as IMR 4350, H414, or many other suitable powders. The second point with a 20" barrel your accuracy may be a little better because it is stiffer and a-will not whip or viberate as much when shot. It's also handier and lighter to carry. If it shoots to your satisfaction, I'd forget about it. What ever it is getting shot will never know the difference.

March 1, 2011, 02:45 PM	#4
roklok Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2008 Location: Fort Yukon, Alaska Posts: 735	Remington manufactured some 20" 700s back in the 60s and 70s, see them for sale now and then on Gunbroker.

March 1, 2011, 03:00 PM	#5
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	About all that faster powders would do is reduce muzzle flash. While the ballistics wouldn't make it a good gun for open country, the short barrel would make it handy for woods-country hunting. Easy handling in tighter brush and undergrowth, etc. And out to 200 yards or thereabouts, the ballistics would be plenty good to ruin any deer's day. The trajectory starts "drooping" on out toward 300...

March 1, 2011, 03:04 PM	#6
Hog Hunter Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 386	If im not mistaken the tactical model 700 is either a 20 or 22

March 1, 2011, 05:13 PM	#7
hoser Member Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 74	This one looks like a standard 700 with open sights.

March 1, 2011, 05:13 PM	#8
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	Like Eagle says, if you like it that's all that matters. You might notice a bit more noise and flash from that shorter barrel and you'll probably have a somewhat lower muzzle velocity (which you won't notice), but that's no big deal.

March 1, 2011, 11:41 PM	#10
Fat White Boy Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2005 Posts: 1,276	If 50 or 100fps is lost with a shorter barrel, it will still be over 3000fps. Not an issue IMHO....

March 2, 2011, 01:41 AM	#11
hoser Member Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 74	Would it be that much louder with 2" less barrel length? Would it be like having a muzzle brake?

March 2, 2011, 08:44 AM	#13
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	Remington did make some 20" barreled 700 carbines in several calibers. I'm guessing late 60's and early 70's, but could be wrong. The muzzle blast will be a bit louder, but you will never notice the slight loss of velocity in a normal hunting situation.

March 2, 2011, 02:52 PM	#15
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	It won't be 100fps. Likely 50-60 fps. You will see a greater difference between individual barrels of the same length than you will between 2" of barrel length. I've got rifles with the same barrel length that will shoot 100fps different from each other. I've got 20" barrels that will shoot faster than 22" barrels with the same ammo.

March 2, 2011, 04:22 PM	#18
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	Both are FN Winchester barrels with the same twist. Some barrels just shoot faster than expected, some slower than expected. It seems to be the quality of the barrel. Quality barrels with closer tolerences tend to shoot faster and be more accurate. Buying a gun with a 2" longer barrel is no guarantee it will be faster than another gun with a slightly longer barrel. As a general rule, yes. Just not to the extreme that some folks keep repeating on the internet. There is no perfect math formula to predict what will happen, but the closest I've found is to expect about .5%-1% velocity change for each inch your barrel length changes. Where you make the cut is huge as well. Almost any round does pretty well between 20"-24". Cut a 26" barrel down to 24" and the drop in velocity will be very small. Cut a 18" barrel down to 16" and you will see a much larger difference.

March 3, 2011, 05:28 AM	#20
lefteyedom Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 333	speed is not the end all Bullet speed is greatly overrated... If you know the targets range and the cartridge true performance you can hit the target. A 180 grain 308 may not sound like a long range deer rifle but with the right dope it is. Most hunters will do better with a rifle that fits them than simply a rifle that shoots a bullet faster. __________________ Superman, you are a mean drunk