Remington Mosin Nagant

SPUSCG · November 28, 2009, 01:25 PM

Curious about this, saw a "remington mosin nagant" at cabelas scraping $1,000. 2 things surprised me. One, 1000 fore a mosin?

and 2, reminton made commie guns? Whats the story with this rifle?

Abndoc · November 28, 2009, 01:36 PM

Contracted by the Russians for their Imperial army. The contract fell through when the revolution occured.

raftman · November 28, 2009, 01:37 PM

It wasn't a commie gun in the days that this rifle would have been made (keep in mind the Mosin-Nagant rifle predates the USSR by decades). They were made for the Russian Empire in the WW1 era.

SPUSCG · November 28, 2009, 02:32 PM

The russians couldnt produce enough of their own? BTW, how do these compare to a standard milsurp mosin.

brian45auto · November 28, 2009, 02:45 PM

here's a brain twister as well. a handful of US units were equipped with the remingtons during the latter years of the first world war, both stateside and abroad.
quality was/is better than any of the russian produced guns.
remington had a hard time getting going with them.
the russian drawings, gauges, and samples all varied differently from each other. and then the russian inspectors came over and just got in the way.

globemaster3 · November 28, 2009, 03:20 PM

I wouldn't be too surprised over it. I saw a pair of 1903-A3s in a Cabelas with $1700 price tags. These were generic A3s, not anything priceless.

Same with the $1000 M-1 Carbine.

It seems the majority of the Cabelas used racks I looked at were overpriced.

raftman · November 28, 2009, 06:55 PM

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The russians couldnt produce enough of their own?

Nope. They were fighting a losing war, taking massive casualties and losing tons of territory at time when they actually hadn't yet developed massive industrial capacities; that capacity would only come some time after WW1. Basically, they were in a war they were very ill-prepared for.

IZZY · November 28, 2009, 08:27 PM

Remington or not it's not worth a grand.

smleno1mkIII · November 28, 2009, 08:32 PM

Your right its not worth a grand I've seen them go on gun broker for about 350 or so its a rip off just like every thing else a Cabelas.

SPUSCG · November 30, 2009, 05:16 PM

Yeah, i think its funny when the model 60 on the used rack cost the same as a new one. Although there are some good deals there. Its a mixed bag at cabelas.

Slamfire · November 30, 2009, 05:43 PM

I have a Westinghouse built, Finnish rebuilt, M1891 with a mint Westinghouse barrel.

For $1000.00, I would be tempted to sell it.

Would it go to $2,000 if I sit on it another 20 years?

Spartan23 · November 30, 2009, 06:01 PM

Reminton Mosin Nagant?

Why they didn't made a Mauser K98K reproduction at 7,92x57?
There are shooters that would pay even 2.000$ for this guns.

For the record, Mosins where made all most 30 Years before the rise of communism.
Nice guns, they are still working fine if the conditions of storage where good.
Maybe is hard to find ammo trough...

Further info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant

preventec47 · November 30, 2009, 08:33 PM

Did you know that Winchester made 300,000 lever actions
( model 94 I think ) That used magazines to use the
moison nagant 7.62 x 54R cartridge ?

Actually Winchester only made 400,000 total with 75 percent
going to Russia just before WW-I

Jimro · November 30, 2009, 09:49 PM

It was the 1895 model lever action rifle in 7.62x54r you are thinking about. I've never seen one for less than a grand.

Jimro

mp25ds4 · November 30, 2009, 10:03 PM

its not a new remington reproduction of a mosin. its a really old mosin from back when Rem. made them

.300 Weatherby Mag · December 1, 2009, 02:17 AM

I wouldn't sell mine for that much... Shoots too good

johnwilliamson062 · December 1, 2009, 09:28 AM

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The russians couldnt produce enough of their own?
Nope. They were fighting a losing war, taking massive casualties and losing tons of territory at time when they actually hadn't yet developed massive industrial capacities; that capacity would only come some time after WW1. Basically, they were in a war they were very ill-prepared for.

In the 1920s and 1930s, wile the rest of the world was in a devastating depression, communist Russia performed the worlds first economic development "miracle" under Stalin's iron fist. Year over year industrial capacity increases almost always in the teens, often up in the twenties and a few years I believe in the 30s(percent). Of course, most of that had to do with Stalins policies of starving populations and selling the agricultural produce overseas to buy modern machinery. Before the communist revolution there was basically 0 industry in Russia.

Cabela's used gun prices are high. There new gun prices are high. Their gun accessory prices are high. You get where I am going with this?

I do like their house brand of scopes for shotguns/muzzleloaders.

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It was the 1895 model lever action rifle in 7.62x54r you are thinking about. I've never seen one for less than a grand.

Thanks Jim. My long list really needed another gun on it

BlueTrain · December 1, 2009, 09:48 AM

No army ever has enough rifles during wartime and, even more surprisingly, there never seems to be enough even after the war is over. That's why there were M1 Garands and Lee-Enfield rifles still being manufactured ten years after the end of WWII.

And did you know potatoes were being exported from Ireland during the potato famine?

J.Kendall · December 1, 2009, 02:02 PM

Do you really know what the Irish Potato Famine was though?

johnwilliamson062 · December 1, 2009, 02:25 PM

I was wrong.

rantingredneck · December 1, 2009, 02:31 PM

Several of those Remington Mosins were also factory cut and sporterized after the contract ended. I had one of those briefly. Nice little rifle. I think I paid 100.00 for it and got my money back when I sold it sometime later.

azredhawk44 · December 1, 2009, 02:37 PM

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Would it go to $2,000 if I sit on it another 20 years?

Yeah, but so will gold.

November 28, 2009, 01:25 PM	#1
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November 28, 2009, 01:36 PM	#2
Abndoc Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Location: Kalifornia Posts: 727	Contracted by the Russians for their Imperial army. The contract fell through when the revolution occured. __________________ With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog.

November 28, 2009, 01:37 PM	#3
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	It wasn't a commie gun in the days that this rifle would have been made (keep in mind the Mosin-Nagant rifle predates the USSR by decades). They were made for the Russian Empire in the WW1 era. __________________ "My momma, she done told me, there's heart and then there's hate If one of 'em's inside of you, the other one, it aint."

November 28, 2009, 02:32 PM	#4
SPUSCG Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004	The russians couldnt produce enough of their own? BTW, how do these compare to a standard milsurp mosin. __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.

November 28, 2009, 02:45 PM	#5
brian45auto Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2009 Location: eastern pa Posts: 499	here's a brain twister as well. a handful of US units were equipped with the remingtons during the latter years of the first world war, both stateside and abroad. quality was/is better than any of the russian produced guns. remington had a hard time getting going with them. the russian drawings, gauges, and samples all varied differently from each other. and then the russian inspectors came over and just got in the way. __________________ it's only metal, we can out think it.....

November 28, 2009, 03:20 PM	#6
globemaster3 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Posts: 1,482	I wouldn't be too surprised over it. I saw a pair of 1903-A3s in a Cabelas with $1700 price tags. These were generic A3s, not anything priceless. Same with the $1000 M-1 Carbine. It seems the majority of the Cabelas used racks I looked at were overpriced.

November 28, 2009, 08:27 PM	#8
IZZY Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Florida Posts: 938	Remington or not it's not worth a grand.

November 28, 2009, 08:32 PM	#9
smleno1mkIII Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2009 Location: washington state Posts: 176	Your right its not worth a grand I've seen them go on gun broker for about 350 or so its a rip off just like every thing else a Cabelas.

November 30, 2009, 05:16 PM	#10
SPUSCG Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004	Yeah, i think its funny when the model 60 on the used rack cost the same as a new one. Although there are some good deals there. Its a mixed bag at cabelas. __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.

November 30, 2009, 05:43 PM	#11
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	I have a Westinghouse built, Finnish rebuilt, M1891 with a mint Westinghouse barrel. For $1000.00, I would be tempted to sell it. Would it go to $2,000 if I sit on it another 20 years?

November 30, 2009, 06:01 PM	#12
Spartan23 Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Location: Athens, Hellas Posts: 75	Reminton Mosin Nagant? Why they didn't made a Mauser K98K reproduction at 7,92x57? There are shooters that would pay even 2.000$ for this guns. For the record, Mosins where made all most 30 Years before the rise of communism. Nice guns, they are still working fine if the conditions of storage where good. Maybe is hard to find ammo trough... Further info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant

November 30, 2009, 08:33 PM	#13
preventec47 Junior member Join Date: October 13, 2008 Posts: 104	Did you know that Winchester made 300,000 lever actions ( model 94 I think ) That used magazines to use the moison nagant 7.62 x 54R cartridge ? Actually Winchester only made 400,000 total with 75 percent going to Russia just before WW-I

November 30, 2009, 09:49 PM	#14
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	It was the 1895 model lever action rifle in 7.62x54r you are thinking about. I've never seen one for less than a grand. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

November 30, 2009, 10:03 PM	#15
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December 1, 2009, 02:17 AM	#16
.300 Weatherby Mag Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 1,777	I wouldn't sell mine for that much... Shoots too good

December 1, 2009, 09:48 AM	#18
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	No army ever has enough rifles during wartime and, even more surprisingly, there never seems to be enough even after the war is over. That's why there were M1 Garands and Lee-Enfield rifles still being manufactured ten years after the end of WWII. And did you know potatoes were being exported from Ireland during the potato famine? __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

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johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I was wrong. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; December 1, 2009 at 02:31 PM.

December 1, 2009, 02:31 PM	#21
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	Several of those Remington Mosins were also factory cut and sporterized after the contract ended. I had one of those briefly. Nice little rifle. I think I paid 100.00 for it and got my money back when I sold it sometime later. __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)