Need info on semi auto handgun .22

Gary Conner · January 22, 2006, 09:48 PM

I am trying to find out the manufacturer or any info you guys can offer about this gun. It is a semi auto .22, and has the following markings on the slide:

Pistolet Automatique Triomphe

ACIER 14PR114E

And on the frame, on the back end of the gun, it says 11590
SPAIN

From the style, it appears to be anywhere from around 1925 to 1945, cause it looks like the old Colt semi-autos but it is a small, hide-away type size.

Any help would be appreciated.

fal308 · January 23, 2006, 08:35 AM

Are you sure it's a .22 and not a .25 (or even a .32)? I ask as most of the class of handgun you are describing are either .25 or .32. This was a rather prolific style of production for many Spanish gunmaking houses. In Zhuk's book there are eight+ pages of copies of the 6.35 1906 Browning and about ten pages for the 7.65 copies of the 1906 Browning. Is there anything on the grips? Any other markings? What of proofmarks? Also, photos would be helpful (if possible).

RJay · January 23, 2006, 12:11 PM

Two makers used the name Triomphe, One French and one Spanish. The Spanish pistol, Pistolet Automatique Triomphe Acier Comprime was a typical soft steel Spanish copy of Brownings 1906. Time frame was 1925-1930, however as was stated by fal308 it should be in caliber 6.35 better known as .25 ACP.

RJay · January 23, 2006, 12:16 PM

Sorry about that, The makers name was the Apaolozo Brothers, Apaolozo Hermanos, Zumorraga, Spain The small shop never survived the Spanish Civil War(1936).

Gary Conner · January 23, 2006, 05:39 PM

Guys:
I think it is a .25 caliber, not a .22 as we first thought.
I put a .22 in the clip, and it did not fit right, so it is probably a .25 caliber like you pointed out.
I wish I knew how to upload pictures, as I have a digital camera, and my computer has more bells and whistles than I know what to do with, but I am computer illiterate.
But I will ask my son to show me how to do it. The gun belongs to his friend, so I better call right now to let him know he needs to take it to a gunsmith to check it out on caliber, before shooting it.
Many thanks!

RJay · January 23, 2006, 06:28 PM

These pistols were made with soft steel. With a .25 you don't have to worry about blowing up and going KA-BOOM, however the sears and springs will wear out quite fast and the are no replacemint parts. These are best kept as a peice of firearm history and hung on the wall.

Gary Conner · January 23, 2006, 09:24 PM

I will let him know that. It is a neat looking little pistol, and it appears to be in fairly good shape.
Any idea as to what value ranges?

jacobtowne · January 24, 2006, 10:19 AM

These copies (unlawful) of Browning designs were made prior to 1939 in the Eibar region. Some were well made, some not.
Is there a bird or caliber marking on the grip panels?
My source says it was made by Apaolozo Hermanos, who also made the same pistol under the Paramount name.
JT

Gary Conner · January 24, 2006, 12:43 PM

No, there are no bird marks on the grip. The grips are checkered, but no design other than checkered, and they appear to be either plastic, or some type of fake ivory?
They are off white.

RJay · January 24, 2006, 01:50 PM

jacobtowne, Gosh, wasn't wasn't that what I said?

January 22, 2006, 09:48 PM	#1
Gary Conner Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2005 Posts: 440	Need info on semi auto handgun .22 I am trying to find out the manufacturer or any info you guys can offer about this gun. It is a semi auto .22, and has the following markings on the slide: Pistolet Automatique Triomphe ACIER 14PR114E And on the frame, on the back end of the gun, it says 11590 SPAIN From the style, it appears to be anywhere from around 1925 to 1945, cause it looks like the old Colt semi-autos but it is a small, hide-away type size. Any help would be appreciated.

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January 23, 2006, 08:35 AM	#2
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Are you sure it's a .22 and not a .25 (or even a .32)? I ask as most of the class of handgun you are describing are either .25 or .32. This was a rather prolific style of production for many Spanish gunmaking houses. In Zhuk's book there are eight+ pages of copies of the 6.35 1906 Browning and about ten pages for the 7.65 copies of the 1906 Browning. Is there anything on the grips? Any other markings? What of proofmarks? Also, photos would be helpful (if possible).

January 23, 2006, 12:11 PM	#3
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	Two makers used the name Triomphe, One French and one Spanish. The Spanish pistol, Pistolet Automatique Triomphe Acier Comprime was a typical soft steel Spanish copy of Brownings 1906. Time frame was 1925-1930, however as was stated by fal308 it should be in caliber 6.35 better known as .25 ACP.

January 23, 2006, 12:16 PM	#4
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	Sorry about that, The makers name was the Apaolozo Brothers, Apaolozo Hermanos, Zumorraga, Spain The small shop never survived the Spanish Civil War(1936).

January 23, 2006, 05:39 PM	#5
Gary Conner Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2005 Posts: 440	Guys: I think it is a .25 caliber, not a .22 as we first thought. I put a .22 in the clip, and it did not fit right, so it is probably a .25 caliber like you pointed out. I wish I knew how to upload pictures, as I have a digital camera, and my computer has more bells and whistles than I know what to do with, but I am computer illiterate. But I will ask my son to show me how to do it. The gun belongs to his friend, so I better call right now to let him know he needs to take it to a gunsmith to check it out on caliber, before shooting it. Many thanks!

January 23, 2006, 06:28 PM	#6
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	These pistols were made with soft steel. With a .25 you don't have to worry about blowing up and going KA-BOOM, however the sears and springs will wear out quite fast and the are no replacemint parts. These are best kept as a peice of firearm history and hung on the wall.

January 23, 2006, 09:24 PM	#7
Gary Conner Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2005 Posts: 440	I will let him know that. It is a neat looking little pistol, and it appears to be in fairly good shape. Any idea as to what value ranges?

January 24, 2006, 10:19 AM	#8
jacobtowne Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2005 Location: New England Posts: 277	These copies (unlawful) of Browning designs were made prior to 1939 in the Eibar region. Some were well made, some not. Is there a bird or caliber marking on the grip panels? My source says it was made by Apaolozo Hermanos, who also made the same pistol under the Paramount name. JT

January 24, 2006, 12:43 PM	#9
Gary Conner Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2005 Posts: 440	No, there are no bird marks on the grip. The grips are checkered, but no design other than checkered, and they appear to be either plastic, or some type of fake ivory? They are off white.

January 24, 2006, 01:50 PM	#10
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	jacobtowne, Gosh, wasn't wasn't that what I said?