Sage EBR stock for M1A rifle in California

burger and fries · February 25, 2010, 05:31 PM

If I modify an Springfield M1A standard rifle into an EBR is it legal in CA? Sage EBR stocks are for sale online but I'm not sure. It seems to be a simple "drop in" procedure that really brings an older rifle design up to date with contemporary ones. It is a bit expensive but affordable. I'm just wondering if it would be illegal in CA? Some help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
bnf

KChen986 · February 25, 2010, 05:51 PM

Aren't pistol grips and detachable box mags "no-go" in CA?

Adrian · February 25, 2010, 05:56 PM

On legality: it depends.

One of the SAGE models (the ALCS/CVFS) would be legal. The other two (the original ALCS and the ALCS/CV) have pistol grips, so California would frown on that unless you fixed the magazine somehow.

SR420 · February 26, 2010, 11:07 AM

The SAGE EBR (M14ALCS/CVFS) at the top is Kali legal
The HOGUE overmold butt stock is available with two different LOP and mine was drilled for a Kydex cheek rest.

deadcoyote · February 26, 2010, 03:14 PM

Detachable mag + "conspiciously protruding pistol-grip" = illegal in Peoples Republic of California.

SR420 · February 26, 2010, 03:32 PM

Contact Tony at LAW483.com and get the skinny.

justinlemieux · February 27, 2010, 10:48 AM

they are not legal. Ive looked into it and the standard california buttstock is, but since there aren't any "mag locks, or bullet buttons" for m1a's the pistol grips a no no.

limitdown · February 28, 2010, 03:09 AM

Just get a bullet button and the rear pistol grip is ok.
You still won't be able to have a front grip.
With the stock collapsed, total length needs to be a minimum of 30 inches (cuz it's centerfire).
Muzzle brakes are mandatory.
Muzzle brake + barrel together must be at least 16 inches.

Btw, for extremely helpful information on Kalifornia info chk out calguns.net.

SR420 · February 28, 2010, 07:56 AM

Drill and tap a whole through the magazine release, then you will have a 10 round magazine lock.
Top it off with stripper clips and be happy... just ask LETHAL_ADDICT over on EBRSOPMODS

Kmar40 · February 28, 2010, 08:22 AM

I'd rather keep the 20 round mags than have a tacti-cool pistol grip stock.

That conventional stocked Sage looks pretty cool, I must add.

SR420 · February 28, 2010, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Kmar40 I'd rather keep the 20 round mags than have a tacti-cool pistol grip stock.

That conventional stocked Sage looks pretty cool, I must add.

+1

I am convinced the fixed stock EBR is the way to go... I was a sweet shooting configuration for me

limitdown · March 1, 2010, 03:09 AM

10-rounds is the max in Kalifornia for ANY gun! Unless you owned the magazine prior to the year 2000 ban. Or you have a hi-cap magazine permit (which realistically only law enforcement can get)

Do not drill anything. Just replace the magazine release with a bullet button. It's super easy and it's cheap. With the bullet button, you effectively have a "fixed magazine" because there's no way to remove the magazine "without the use of a tool". You must use a tool, any "tool" is fine, so the pointed tip of a bullet is fine.

Rear pistol grips and forward rail-mounted grips are very different in Kali. You can have a rear pistol grip (ie "protruding grip"), but you cannot have a front grip at the same time.

This is my KommieFornia setup.

LWRC M6A3
Pinned muzzle brake (mandatory), no flash hiders in Kali!
Bullet button
10-round magazine

Kalifornia is super super strict and you must have your AR and AK configured in an EXACT way. One tiny incorrect configuration and it's a felony.

However, don't be scared, it's very easy to get an AR or AK configured correctly.

If you get an M1A in Kali, it's come with a muzzle brake instead of the standard flash hider.

February 25, 2010, 05:31 PM	#1
burger and fries Member Join Date: August 11, 2009 Posts: 26	Sage EBR stock for M1A rifle in California If I modify an Springfield M1A standard rifle into an EBR is it legal in CA? Sage EBR stocks are for sale online but I'm not sure. It seems to be a simple "drop in" procedure that really brings an older rifle design up to date with contemporary ones. It is a bit expensive but affordable. I'm just wondering if it would be illegal in CA? Some help will be appreciated. Thanks, bnf

February 25, 2010, 05:51 PM	#2
KChen986 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Location: Ninja Mall Posts: 818	Aren't pistol grips and detachable box mags "no-go" in CA? __________________ E Pluribus Unum

February 25, 2010, 05:56 PM	#3
Adrian Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2007 Location: Free of California! Posts: 274	On legality: it depends. One of the SAGE models (the ALCS/CVFS) would be legal. The other two (the original ALCS and the ALCS/CV) have pistol grips, so California would frown on that unless you fixed the magazine somehow. __________________ NRA Life Member since January 2009 Matt.25:40

February 26, 2010, 11:07 AM	#4
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	The SAGE EBR (M14ALCS/CVFS) at the top is Kali legal The HOGUE overmold butt stock is available with two different LOP and mine was drilled for a Kydex cheek rest. __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

February 26, 2010, 03:32 PM	#6
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	Contact Tony at LAW483.com and get the skinny. __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

February 26, 2010, 03:14 PM	#5
deadcoyote Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: northern CA Posts: 674	Detachable mag + "conspiciously protruding pistol-grip" = illegal in Peoples Republic of California.

February 27, 2010, 10:48 AM	#7
justinlemieux Junior Member Join Date: December 11, 2005 Posts: 1	they are not legal. Ive looked into it and the standard california buttstock is, but since there aren't any "mag locks, or bullet buttons" for m1a's the pistol grips a no no.

February 28, 2010, 03:09 AM	#8
limitdown Member Join Date: January 21, 2010 Posts: 26	Just get a bullet button and the rear pistol grip is ok. You still won't be able to have a front grip. With the stock collapsed, total length needs to be a minimum of 30 inches (cuz it's centerfire). Muzzle brakes are mandatory. Muzzle brake + barrel together must be at least 16 inches. Btw, for extremely helpful information on Kalifornia info chk out calguns.net.

February 28, 2010, 07:56 AM	#9
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	Drill and tap a whole through the magazine release, then you will have a 10 round magazine lock. Top it off with stripper clips and be happy... just ask LETHAL_ADDICT over on EBRSOPMODS __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

February 28, 2010, 08:22 AM	#10
Kmar40 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 668	I'd rather keep the 20 round mags than have a tacti-cool pistol grip stock. That conventional stocked Sage looks pretty cool, I must add.

March 1, 2010, 03:09 AM	#12
limitdown Member Join Date: January 21, 2010 Posts: 26	10-rounds is the max in Kalifornia for ANY gun! Unless you owned the magazine prior to the year 2000 ban. Or you have a hi-cap magazine permit (which realistically only law enforcement can get) Do not drill anything. Just replace the magazine release with a bullet button. It's super easy and it's cheap. With the bullet button, you effectively have a "fixed magazine" because there's no way to remove the magazine "without the use of a tool". You must use a tool, any "tool" is fine, so the pointed tip of a bullet is fine. Rear pistol grips and forward rail-mounted grips are very different in Kali. You can have a rear pistol grip (ie "protruding grip"), but you cannot have a front grip at the same time. This is my KommieFornia setup. LWRC M6A3 Pinned muzzle brake (mandatory), no flash hiders in Kali! Bullet button 10-round magazine Kalifornia is super super strict and you must have your AR and AK configured in an EXACT way. One tiny incorrect configuration and it's a felony. However, don't be scared, it's very easy to get an AR or AK configured correctly. If you get an M1A in Kali, it's come with a muzzle brake instead of the standard flash hider.