Magpul and leaving Colorado followthrough

[cryogenic419]

Magpul says they will leave the state if the bill was passed.

This goes one of 2 ways...

They follow through with their promise to leave as quickly as possible, leaving other state governments to seriously consider whats more important, jobs for their citizens and incoming tax dollars for the state budget or creating more useless gun laws.

They don't follow through with their promise to leave for whatever reason. State governments from here on out laugh whenever somebody threatens to close up shop and move away, effectively neutering whatever leverage anyone else who tries this in the future may have.

I don't envy the position Magpul is in, and I'm sure its got to be rolling around in their minds as to what in the hell to do.

I saw a new article which talked about Joe Biden cheerleading to some of the politicans out in Colarado. It was summed up as: Biden "emphasized the importance of Colorado's role in shaping national policy around this issue."
I couldnt agree more. I do think a great deal hinges on Magpul's ultimate decision to stay or go.

Thoughts?

[4V50 Gary]

Magpul will pull the ejector and find a better state.

[Kimio]

They should move to Arizona, a crap ton of support there, if not there perhaps Texas.

[MLeake]

Or Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, Missouri... lots of places would love to have the business.

[Skadoosh]

...and I am sure some states will be making serious overtures to entice Magpul to choose their state with very tempting offers. I wouldn't be surprised if some states even offer incentives for their employees to make the move there too.

[BGutzman]

I suspect they will be out of their so fast heads will spin, and I congratulate them for doing so if it becomes necessary.

[Ralgha]

They've reiterated that they're serious. I just wish they would have a bigger impact when they leave, they're not that big of a company. It's not like Boeing leaving Washington, or Intel leaving Oregon, I wish it were.

[Al Norris]

According to this story, Magpul's departure could crack plastics industry, manufacturer says - Boulder Daily Camera (http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_22601993/magpuls-departure-could-crack-plastics-industry-manufacturer-says?source=most_viewed#idc-cover), their departure could have a larger economic impact than some fear.

The article states that Magpul spent $46 million last year, in supplies from various CO companies. The company estimates that they wil spend $85 million for supplies in the coming year. Alfred Manufacturing, in injection mold company, says that if Magpul leaves, they will follow.

If we are to believe the figures the article states, Magpul will directly affect 200 jobs and Alfred will affect 150 jobs. Indirect labor losses are speculative at this point. Regardless, that's a lot of well paying jobs and a loss of a major source of revenue to the Denver metro area.

[Armorer-at-Law]

How can they not be serious? If their largest selling item (PMAGs) become illegal to manufacture, they have to move at least that part of the business. I doubt their company is so big that they would split the manufacturing among two states other than temporarily during a transition.

[KenL]

Magpul's influence is pretty big. In addition to Alfred Manufacturing, there are other plastics people that rely on Magpul, and there have been rumblings that they will either follow Magpul or close their doors as there isn't another manufacturer that will fill the vacuum by Magpul leaving.

And they are serious. The bill passes, they're leaving. Although I don't want to see any business leave Colorado, I applaud their decision and their ability to follow it thru.

[tulsamal]

If their largest selling item (PMAGs) become illegal to manufacture, they have to move at least that part of the business.

I don't think it would work that way. Lots of companies produce things that they can't sell to the public. I'm reasonably certain CO would find a way to let them make the PMAG's. They would just have to ship all of them out of the state. Except the ones that the CO police wanted... of course.

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[Fishing_Cabin]

This will be interesting to watch if/when Magpul does leave Colorado completely. If they open another manufacturing location, but keep what they already have also, I would view it as more of an empty threat. The best for the political reasons I feel would be fore them to leave Colorado completely.

The only questions I would have is:

1. How long will it take them to move and set back up again, including the ancillary support companies?

2. How big of a hit will it put in to their ability to keep current venders supplied at current levels while they are moving?

[Technosavant]

It appears that there is an exception that will allow them to manufacture them in state for out of state sale.

Magpul doesn't care. If it passes, they're leaving.


As for how moving will affect things, from what they've said it looks like they're still figuring that out. They're putting things into place so as little interruption as possible happens but I can't imagine that there won't be some hiccup.

I also wonder if some of their suppliers won't move with them. If they don't the disruption could be longer lived until new suppliers are lined up.

[comn-cents]

This was off of MagPuls FB page, seems pretty big to me.


"Magpul Industries directly employs 200 people, supports another 400 supply-chain jobs, and contributes over $85 million annually to Colorado’s economy. Doug Smith, Chief Operating Officer for Magpul, says that it is a difficult position to be in. "We could choose to stay in a state that wants our jobs and revenue, but not our products, and lose half the jobs we are fighting to save, or potentially the entire business, when our customers stop buying. Or, we can take the company and those 600 jobs out of Colorado to continue our growth and the growth of American manufacturing in a state that shares our values. This is not really a choice. It's an unfortunate and inevitable result of the actions of the Legislature if this bill passes."

[JimDandy]

I don't think it would work that way. Lots of companies produce things that they can't sell to the public.

Pretty Sure Jack Daniels is/was brewed in a dry county so it's not unheard of.

[Dr Big Bird PhD]

If they move I will continue to support Magpul

[HiBC]

I am a Colorado resident.I hope Magpul understand our politicians DO NOT represent the will of the people,they represent their own self interests.

I hope as soon as Magpul gets the presses up and running,they begin a special project,the 15 round "Colorado" series.

Msake them for AR-15's,AR-10's,LR308's,and make lots of them.

I hope they will offer a special price on 7-paks ,maybe $75 or so,and just flood Colorado with them.

Beyond the inconvenience and my "things" ,I have a very large problem with a government that takes steps to criminalize peaceful,law abiding citizens.

I am not a legal scholar,but I also hope someone like Mark Levin and Landmark Legal Foundation will challenge this in court.

And folks in Colorado,we have an election in 2014 .Fire them.Keep a list of every name of every politician that did not actively fight this,believe no more of their lies,remember this forever,become active in politics and FIRE THEM!

As many gun owners as are in Colorado we are powerful if we stick together.
Right now,in a very loud voice,we must let the Governor know,you sign that bill,you are FIRED!

Even non-shooters should get behind that idea.

Magpuls home of Erie,Colorado,was a depressed coal mining town with a race track and an auto salvage yard for an economy.

Magpul came along with an enterprise that gave these folks jobs,a tax base,put their name back on the map.

For the political ambitions of a few hucksters,the future of a community has been sacrificed.

Its not just guns,or magazines.

Its freedom.

Call the Governor.

[Tom Servo]

Magpul can and will leave if the law goes into effect. That much is clear. The question remains whether or not the economic impact of them leaving is enough of a deterrent to those pushing gun control laws.

Consider that the people pushing for stricter gun-control laws believe they have a moral imperative to do so. Do you back off on such principles because of a possible economic loss? Right now, a lot of politicians in Colorado believe that the wind is at their back, and that the loss of one tiny little gun parts company (well, that's what they're being told) won't make that much of a dent.

If Magpul leaves, good for them. They'll be in a better business climate, and they'll kept the moral high ground. However, I'm under no illusion that their actions will have much of a political effect.

[taylorce1]

Unfortunatelty all the bills on gun control brought before the Colorado house passed yesterday. I imagine they will pass the Colorado Senate as well. The problem with Colorado like so many other states is that there isn't equal represetation anymore, with very few counties deciding the outcome of our state. The population density shifted from rural to metro years ago and so now the political views of the state have shifted from conservitive to liberal.

I don't know of any good way to get our voices heard that have rural roots or make a living in the Farming/Ranching, hunting, and shooting industry because the liberals in power won't listen to anything outside their agenda. My hopes are that the new "fee" for back ground checks gets squashed by TABOR since in essence it is a tax which has to be voted on by the people. My other hopes as well is that RMGO, GOA, and NRA all file law suits to help us out.

Magpul will leave Colorado as well they should even though they gave an exemption for the manufacture of magazines larger than 15 rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if Gre-Tan and other well know Gunsmiths in the industry leave as well. These bills are going to have a bigger effect than the politicans think on the Colorado economy. I think you will see as well people just refusing to obey the new laws.

[TLeo]

If correct that Magpul contributes $85 million to the economy, that amount of lost revenue is not small change to a state's economy. I'm sure that includes their taxes, employees taxes, sales of all sorts of products to the company and employees etc.
I applaud Magpul for taking a stand and hope all you voters out there get rid of a bunch of crooked politicians next election. That is something all of us need to do next time as well.

[jag2]

Could be wrong but I don't think the bill makes it illegal to manufacture the mags, just illegal to sell them in CO. The height of hypocrisy. Sure we want your tax dollars just don't sell your nasty products here. Can you imagine Virginia and the Carolinas banning the sale of cigarettes?

[taylorce1]

The original bill made it illegal to manufacturer and sell magazines larger than 15 rounds. However when Magpul threatened to pull up stakes the bill was modified to allow for manufacture but no retail sales in CO of magazines larger than 15 rounds. I think Magpul's reply was if you ban sales we're leaving anyway because CO would still require a serial number on every may larger than 15 rounds for proof of manufacturer date. I imagine it wouldn't take long to relocate to Cheyenne, and WY would be happy to have them.

[zincwarrior]

I am a Colorado resident.I hope Magpul understand our politicians DO NOT represent the will of the people,they represent their own self interests.

I hope as soon as Magpul gets the presses up and running,they begin a special project,the 15 round "Colorado" series.

Msake them for AR-15's,AR-10's,LR308's,and make lots of them.

I hope they will offer a special price on 7-paks ,maybe $75 or so,and just flood Colorado with them.

Beyond the inconvenience and my "things" ,I have a very large problem with a government that takes steps to criminalize peaceful,law abiding citizens.

I am not a legal scholar,but I also hope someone like Mark Levin and Landmark Legal Foundation will challenge this in court.

And folks in Colorado,we have an election in 2014 .Fire them.Keep a list of every name of every politician that did not actively fight this,believe no more of their lies,remember this forever,become active in politics and FIRE THEM!

As many gun owners as are in Colorado we are powerful if we stick together.
Right now,in a very loud voice,we must let the Governor know,you sign that bill,you are FIRED!


Not trying to pick a fight but when both houses and the governor easily draft and promise to sign, I'd say that conflicts with your statement.

[FrankenMauser]

...and I am sure some states will be making serious overtures to entice Magpul to choose their state with very tempting offers. I wouldn't be surprised if some states even offer incentives for their employees to make the move there too.
Magpul has made a few statements about having the contingency fully worked out, and ready to be put into action immediately.

To me, that sounds like they already know where they're headed, but don't want to say it.

[2damnold4this]

I'll bet a lot of governors and state legislatures in gun friendly states would offer big tax breaks to Magpul. They'd get more jobs and they'd be building up their pro 2nd Amendment credentials.

[Tickling]

I just visited Magpul' s site to drop them a little note showing my support and letting them know I'm buying my magazines from them from now on.

I clicked on their products and wow! They making everything from rails to iPhone cases..

[leprechaun50]

I just sent them an e-mail thanking them for rejecting the "BRIBE" that Colorado was offering them. Shows integrity on their part.

[Mastiff]

FWIW, I received this in an email from One Source Tactical:

"We received the tragic news that the state of Colorado had gone over to the dark side and embraced the ways of Mordor. For an entire day we have been reading debates and rhetoric. Our good friends at MagPul will be leaving the state and moving to the free state of Nevada. We congratulate them on their choice and we will continue to support them via the sales and endorsement of their products. "

[Bart Noir]

Nevada.

Not a bad idea. And maybe they will be the force that tips the balance, so that Harry Reid is never again elected to the US Senate.

Bart Noir

[Tom Servo]

Our good friends at MagPul will be leaving the state and moving to the free state of Nevada.
Suarez jumped the gun on that one. Magpul has not made any announcement.

From their Facebook page:

It appears that someone has posted or sent out some sort of notice that we are moving to a specific location. We can assure you that no decision has been made about location, and that we are still fighting this battle. We are, however, assembling our requirements and looking at various areas that would be suitable for our new home, should it come to that. We appreciate all the offers, and we will begin talking to various entities about those shortly.

[HiBC]

zinc warrior;We have no cause to fight,you are fine.

You live in Texas.I don't know too much about Texas,been a long time since I lived there.

We have an urban corridor along I-25.Denver,Boulder,maybe Colorado Springs,are a different world/culture from the rest of the state.

Through recent redistricting,my new District includes Boulder,and the Representative is Polis,a Dem worth about 69 million dollars who is liberal.Nothing I do or say will be listened to.I no longer have representation.

Does Austin represent Texas?

For Bill Clinton's second term,only 59 million people voted.There were 89 million gun owners at the time.

We are qite a powerful political force,we can make changes.We can fire people.We have to know that,we have to do more than belly ache among ourselves.

I expect the opposition to behave the way they do,I put the failure on those who do nothing.All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

[maestro pistolero]

Nevada.

Not a bad idea. And maybe they will be the force that tips the balance, so that Harry Reid is never again elected to the US Senate.

Bart NoirNevada could do so much worse than Harry Reid. To have a Democratic majority leader who is not anti-gun is like hitting the jackpot for a relatively small state like Nevada. Beyond merely getting a seat, being at the head of the table of our enemies is priceless.

[Bart Noir]

Hmm, maybe I was a bit hasty about Reid. I actually forgot that he is not hard over against gun ownership.

However, there are a few other political positions of his that I dislike. But, this not being the right thread for that, I'll not mention it further.

Bart Noir

[rickmelear]

We would love to have them in Florida.

[jimbob86]

I'm hoping they move a few hundred miles east to Nebraska- we have pretty good tax breaks for new businesses in the state.

Somebody needs to put a bug in Heineman's ear.....

[breakingcontact]

Completely fascinating how the states are dividing ideologically.

I'd like to see more companies locate to the free states.

[KyJim]

Magpul is welcome in gun friendly Kentucky. We're not that close to Colorado but we are centrally located in relation to most of the population of the continental U.S. besides the West Coast. Both Amazon and UPS have found that important when they located major distribution centers and hubs here.

[jimbob86]

Completely fascinating how the states are dividing ideologically.


Colorado used to be conservative state full of independant, self reliant people .... then when Californians soiled their own nest with unsustainable government growth that required ridiculously high taxes, many fled to the Front Range of Colorado, and immediately proceeded to remake it in the image of the failed state they had just left ........ natives called them "Snowflakes" ...... they were pretty when they first blew in over the mountains, but now that they are neck deep in them from Ft. Collins to CO Springs, they are not that popular.

[MLeake]

Same thing happened in Maine and New Hampshire, with mostly Bostonians doing the damage; Vermont, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage; Florida, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage.

Center and West, it's mostly California's influence. Happened all along coastal Oregon and Washington.

Basically, if you live someplace that has beautiful scenery and relatively low prices, you are eventually likely to get overwhelmed by wealthy ex-Blue Staters, who can't wait to terraform your area.

[Tickling]

^This.

[zincwarrior]

Quote:
Completely fascinating how the states are dividing ideologically.

Colorado used to be conservative state full of independant, self reliant people .... then when Californians soiled their own nest with unsustainable government growth that required ridiculously high taxes, many fled to the Front Range of Colorado, and immediately proceeded to remake it in the image of the failed state they had just left ........ natives called them "Snowflakes" ...... they were pretty when they first blew in over the mountains, but now that they are neck deep in them from Ft. Collins to CO Springs, they are not that popular.
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Yes, we have swarms in Austin. Austin's gone from this sleepy hippy type college town/state capital to a San Francisco wannabe, complete with raging nanny state.

Not happy with Perry about courting more Californians to come here, not at all.

[JimDandy]

Same thing happened in Maine and New Hampshire, with mostly Bostonians doing the damage; Vermont, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage; Florida, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage.

Center and West, it's mostly California's influence. Happened all along coastal Oregon and Washington.

Basically, if you live someplace that has beautiful scenery and relatively low prices, you are eventually likely to get overwhelmed by wealthy ex-Blue Staters, who can't wait to terraform your area

When the Berlin Wall fell, there was a running joke around here to tear it down, and put it up around the Seattle City limits to keep the Californians out. Too bad it was a joke.

[WW2]

... I am insulted that you paint all Californians with a broad brush. I am a constitutional conservitive for smaller government and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

Your attacks feel like racism but with the "race" being "California" instead of another.

I am fighting the battle with the antis everyday. I can say that there are a lot of RKBA people in Southern California that support our cause.

On the other hand, when a co-worker found out I had bought a gun his first question was "Why do you want to kill people?" :eek: :mad:

But after a few years and several conversations he is now leaning toward RKBA. :D

I sure wish I could own the weapons that LEO has in California. Especially the ones issued to Game Wardens!

[breakingcontact]

Your attacks feel like racism but with the "race" being "California" instead of another.

Yikes. Please don't go there. You can't change your race as you're born with it. Also nothing inherently wrong with whatever race you're born. If you live in California or some other slave state, that's something you can change.

[breakingcontact]

Yes, we have swarms in Austin. Austin's gone from this sleepy hippy type college town/state capital to a San Francisco wannabe, complete with raging nanny state.

Not happy with Perry about courting more Californians to come here, not at all.

I've been thinking about that too. Perry is recruiting them for the jobs...but when they come they arrive intending to make ATX like where they came from instead of taking on our culture.

[WW2]

breaking: If you go back and re-read this thread substituting Texan for Californian you will see how the comparison with racism rings true.

Based on what people are saying, even if I move to Texas I will still be treated as a "Californian" (said with a disgusted look on the face and spitting on the ground afterward to get the foul task of "Californian" out of the mouth).

Can I easily change from being a resident of California to being a resident of Texas? No. Being upside down on my mortgage and having kids in college that have jobs would be a big problem. Leaving the proximity of my retired parents means I would not get to visit them very often if at all. Breaking up the family is not an option for me. By the way, my whole family is conservative and votes RKBA.

Can I change my race? Yes I can just by changing from a Caucasian to a Native American. Race is not always obvious and looks can be deceiving.

[MLeake]

WW2, the problem is that most of the pro-gun Californians one meets are from rural areas inland or northern, or else from military enclaves such as San Diego or Lemoore.

The wealthy, urban Californians who buy up properties in other states rarely seem to be pro-gun, and usually seem to favor big government.

To put this in perspective, my mother's family and my father's family were both from Massachusetts. While a mix of R and D, all are center conservative; several are or were cops or corrections officers; many were military.

Most have moved from Massachusetts due to area politics. One uncle is stuck there because of penalties he would incur to his state pension should he move. Other relatives have a large business, and won't leave, but that cousin is a former cop and is friendly with his rural police chief, so he and his immediate family have no firearm permit troubles.

But they are in a minority, whether among current MA residents, or among those who have emigrated. The folks with money and political inclinations tend to be anti-gun in MA, and to remain anti-gun when they relocate.

Perhaps the most ironic example was a former Bostonian I met, who was managing a pawn and gun shop and range near Fort Bragg - the guy was selling guns and managing a range, but extremely critical of concealed carriers.

So, while you may well be fighting the good fight, you are also fighting a stereotype that, like many stereotypes, is rooted in fact.

Edit: WW2, I will go one further, and say that my family laugh when they hear people refer to "M*******s," both because they know exactly what is meant, and that it does not apply to them. You might look at the "Californian" thing in a similar light.

Second Edit: I wasn't sure if the 'bot would allow that term. Suffice to say it's a term in common usage throughout the rest of New England to describe rude tourist / bad driver / annoying new neighbors from Mass, ending with hole; it's not looked at so much like a profanity, as a descriptive term which is immediately understood.

[taylorce1]

Colorado Springs is in El Paso county which is the most populated county in the state and it was red in the last election. Thanks to the large population of military and military retirees we are still solidly red. However, it could all change if we aren't careful and get some new blood in the Republican party.

[RamItOne]

Move to Texas, slap a lone star on the pmag...you know that'll sell out
I'm sure a ton of states would like their business.

[Tom Servo]

If you live in California or some other slave state, that's something you can change.
Please. Unless you can prove that slavery is actually an endorsed or practiced institution, knock it off with the hyperbole. It's insulting to the folks who live there and fight for the 2A.

Furthermore, California isn't the subject of this thread. Let's keep it on track if we want it to stay open.

[Patriot86]

The problem with this is the same types of legislators who are typically anti gun also do not care about private business. They vote to keep hiking taxes, the minimum wage and to pass other anti business measures. Unless you are a State/City Worker, in a Union or a part of a select few mega corporations who give them huge campaign contributions They don't and won't give a darn unless you FORCE them to by getting some of these yahoo's thrown out of office come the next election.

An even more powerful message that voting a pro gun R in and an anti gun D, would be if these anti gunners start losing in primaries to pro gun candidates from their own parties.


I hope Magpul finds a new home soon but this is going to disrupt the supply chain, you don't just move a huge manufacturing company overnight. If they move as far away as say Texas, or Arizona then some of the skilled workers will not follow. It could be 1-2 years before they are up and running at full capacity after a move. I imagine it will be a gradual change, with Magpul moving PMAG Manufacturing first and slowly moving the other stuff so they don't have a big disruption. Its gonna be a rough ride for 30 round PMAGS though, I am so glad right now that I stocked up on PMAGS!

[hogdogs]

Bring them jobs to the free state of Florida...
Right to work state and NO state income tax...

Brent

[btmj]

yeah, I agree with what Tom Servo just said about hyperbole.... it is getting a bit thick.

I travel to many cities in California on business, including LA, San Francisco, and San Diego. I also travel to Dallas and Austin.

Now, Austin may not be as conservative as Midland, or Abilene, or Lubbock, but it is nothing like San Francisco. Nothing. I rather like Austin, and when I visit, there is no doubt that I am in TEXAS... as an outsider, Austin feels as much like TEXAS as Dallas, or Houston... but with better music and nightlife :) .

A lot of Californians are on our side... probably more than 30%... given the size of California, that is a huge number of people.

Either Wyoming or Nebraska seem like logical choices for Magpul. That would be an easy move for Magpuls existing workforce... they would still be close to their family ties in the Boulder area.

[mdd]

Why Nebraska? Their roads suck. My gravel roads are smoother than their state highways. Kansas gets no mention even though we have great incentives for businesses, right to work laws, and a good work ethic as evidenced by our low unemployment rate. Otherwise this place sucks but it would be good for business. Plus you can't get more centrally located than in Kansas.

[Ronbert]

If I were planning the move I'd take them to Cheyenne, Wy.

It's not very far so the move wouldn't take long and there's even the possibility that some of the same workers could make the transition without even moving out of their homes (I'm not sure about this though).

And Cheyenne is right on two major interstates so it's well served in terms of transportation.

And besides, I might like to work there :-) (my commute would be slightly better than what I do now)

[johnwilliamson062]

The presses they use are probably relatively small. Maybe a few large ones for their stocks. They should be able to move with less expense than you might think.
I'd buy a Pmag with a Lone Star on it and I'm not even a crazy Texan(They said I was too short to get residency).

[doofus47]

Well, if they go, hopefully, they'll go to Cheyenne, so their employees can keep jobs.

The guy who installed my heater was also doing duct work for magpul, so the economic loss will go far beyond just the plastics industry.

[johnwilliamson062]

As close as Cheyenne is, it is still a long move for most with families. Some would be able to make it though. I might have sent them a CV a few hours ago...

[OPC]

From Magpul Industry's FB (http://www.facebook.com/#!/magpul?fref=ts) page last night:

We are proud to announce that within a matter of days we will be going live with a new program. Due to a bill currently moving through the Colorado legislature, there is the possibility that Colorado residents' ability to purchase standard capacity magazines will soon be infringed. Before that happens, and Magpul is forced to leave the state in order to keep to our principles, we will be doing our... best to get standard capacity PMAGs into the hands of any Colorado resident that wants them.

Verified Colorado residents will be able to purchase up to ten (10) standard capacity AR/M4 magazines directly from Magpul, and will be given immediate flat-rate $5 shipping, bypassing our current order queue.

Our customers outside of Colorado, please know that our PMAG production will continue at an ever-increasing rate until we do relocate, shipments to our distributors in other states will continue, and that we do not expect relocation to significantly impact PMAG production. We are also aware that Colorado is not the only state with existing or pending magazine capacity restrictions; we are working on programs for other affected states as well.

Full details and instructions will be announced when we are able to go live; please watch here for the coming announcement.

"Standard capacity"...30 round mags, yes? While I don't have any mags on order and I appreciate that some may have been waiting on backorder for a while, I do applaud this action. I hope those in non-ban states that are still waiting for mags will be cool with this reshuffle of the queue.

Kudos to Magpul for sticking to their principles.

[JimDandy]

I find it amusingly ironic that I've been contemplating buying some 10 round magazines for the range. And that I haven't been able to get them as an impulse buy while shopping for reloading supplies because the stores don't carry them.