Sad, Sad Situation

[roy reali]

I was driving to work this morning when I spotted a deer laying on the side of the road. She was over on the far shoulder. At first I thought she was a road casualty. In that area it is quite common. Then with a second glance I though I saw her move.

I turned my vehicle around and pulled up to the deer. Sure enough, she was alive. The poor thing tried to stand up, but it was obvious her hind quarters were not working anymore. It was early morning and I was on my way to work, so no gun on me. Besides, I don't know the local legalitities of shooting an injured animal on the highway.

I did call the Sheriff's dispatch. In ten minutes a deputy arrived. He saw the deer and told me he would dispatch it. I asked him about the carcass, what would happen to it. He said the road department would pick it up and he wasn't sure of its final destination. Asking friends at work didn't answer that question either. No one seems to know what ousr officials do in this situation. I hope they at least gave the meat to some hungrfamily.

Anyway, back to the gun question. If I did have a firearm and had decided to put that deer out of her misery, how should I have done it? In other words, a shot between the eyes or in back of the ear? We have some remote areas here, cell phones don't even work. How would you dispatch a large, injured animal?

On Monday, I am also going to try find out about the legalities of such an act. I don't want to shoot an injured deer and be fined for poaching. I am also going to find out what happened to her remains. I will be upset if she was thrown into a land fill.

[sc928porsche]

Many years ago a lot of the departments would have the meat sent to the prisons to feed prisoners. I doubt that they do that anymore or for that matter give it to hungry families because of the legal liability. I well imagine that it is now taken to a rendering plant.

[zachkuby87]

I've had this happen to me before when I was in the middle of nowhere I didn't have any form of firearm with me we tried to get the deer up but he was clearly done for he scampered about 10-15 feet and his rear legs were done so my dad cut his throat and we got into cell phone range then contacted the dnr. They sent an officer out we asked if we could take the deer he gave us some paperwork to fill out and let us clean the deer and taake him home we run through venni meat like crazy at my house. The dnr officer actully took our number down and every once in a great while he would call when he found a fresh kill and offer us the deer as it was easier for him to let u handle disposing of it. We since have moved and no longer have that number so no more free meat for us. But as far as finishing the deer off my grandfather taught me to shoot them once in the back of the head or if it was already on its way out just cut its throat and save the ammo.

[jimbob86]

I don't know about the legalities (local issue, and I ain't there), but anyting larger than a .22 short to the base of the skull is all you need to do. If you use a high-powered rifle, expect to get bloody. .38 @ 800 f/sec works just fine.

[phil mcwilliam]

Wheel brace to back of head if you have no rifle. If you have a rifle, take a brain shot - between the eyes if its looking at you, back of head if looking away.

[mdd]

Deer are similar to cattle in anatomic location of the brain. I've had to shoot more injured cattle than I care to think about but what I can tell you is very simple. Shooting between the eyes on cattle blows up their sinus cavities and is excruciatingly painful and far from immediately lethal. Draw an imaginary line from the right ear to left eye and vice versa. Aim half an inch above where that line crosses.

[woodguru]

Center of the head straight on or go in at an angle through the ear into the brain. I know the feeling of feeling the pressure of wanting to do it right.

[Kreyzhorse]

Besides, I don't know the local legalitities of shooting an injured animal on the highway.



Just a couple of thoughts; I'd guess shooting from a roadway (even on the shoulder) is illegal regardless of where you live. I'd also think that even if deer were in firearm season and you had a license it would still be highly frowned on by the police and / or game wardens. I think if caught in that act you'd be lucky not to be charged with poaching and or discharging a firearm from or near a roadway.

I'd guess that most road kill ends up in a compost pile some place or in a landfill. Donating it isn't likely due to safe food handling concerns since it was procured along a roadway.

Thanks for calling the police by the way. I hate to see any wounded animal suffer and would certainly want to make sure that the coup de grace was given to the animal.

[James H]

I agree with the shots posted.

I also think it might be a liability for the police/sheriff's dept. to donate it. I keep running into people wherever I go that are afraid of CWD. I'm sure the cops wouldn't want that on their hands on top of every other lawsuit they're normally protecting themselves from.

[Snowmanx7]

My ex-FIL had a similar situation recently. He called the SO and they sent out a deputy to put the deer down. My FIL asked about taking it for the meat and all he had to do was fill out a few short forms, not sure what exactly they were, and the deer was his. I hate to see wounded animals suffer or good meat go to waste.

-J-

[Pahoo]

Sadly, in our state, you are not allowed to dispatch it. However, on one occasion, I was given permission to do so, over the phone. I did have a shotgun with me at the time as we were coming home from Pheasant hunting. This question has also been brought up at some of our Hunter Safety classes and the DNR officer gives the same answer; ..... NO !

Again, in our state, the Sherrif's depatment will give you a "Chit", on the spot, that allows you to take the deer with you. Or, it can be taken to a local food pantry. .... :)

The best advice is to first make the phone call, as you did and let them take the lead on what should or could be done. I know you are just trying to do what is right and merciful but you have to stay within the law.

Might also add that a deer that is hit by a auto or truck, will be full of clots that it may only be suitable for processed sausage.

Be Safe !!!

[Brian Pfleuger]

In NY, you can take the deer with you but you'd need a DEC or LE officer to dispatch it for you, unless you got permission over the phone. I have heard of that happening. Technically, you need a carcass tag. I believe that most of our local departments have a few on hand, otherwise you have to wait for DEC to show up. Personally, I'd take the animal to a local venison donation drop off point.

Of course, in some areas around here (Ithaca), the LEO has to almost literally peel the animal rights wackos off the animal. One officer told me a story about a deer that an animal rights nutjob had hit and when he arrived she was sitting in the ditch, covered in mud, with the deers head in her lap, stroking it's neck, crying profusely. The poor things spine was literally sticking out of it's skin and she begged, I mean BEGGED, him to "take her to Cornell (vet college) because they can fix her". He finally had to threaten her with a arrest to get her to let go of the thing.

[Xfire68]

A good friend of mine is lucky enough to get the call from a local municipality when there is a deer hit on it's roads. He gets to pick it up if the meat is salvageable. Not a bad way to get free deer meat!

[Gbro]

I well imagine that it is now taken to a rendering plant
Yes in the long past that is where almost any carcass picked off the roadway would end up but not anymore. About the only thing some rendering plants process now is used cooking oils.
I got that information from a hunting shack neighbor that manages one in central MN. The USDA restricted what could be rendered before most of us ever heard about CWD.
Back in the '80's, one would have to know a Conservation office very well to be on his list of road kill recipients and being on the fire department helped us get quite a few for our social events. I can still smell the buck burgers on the grill and the roaster ovens full of sausage.
Today the DNR is almost never called. A local LEO will dispatch an animal, most animals will stay on the roadside until someone like me drags it off or the state maintenance department gets around to it.
Yes anyone can make a call and be allowed to take a car kill and a permit will be mailed.
Funny story;
A co-worker was driving home during opening weekend (11/6/10) around midnight and steered wide of a car pulled close to the shoulder with a man outside the car talking on the phone. Thump, thump, He didn't see the deer that the other guy had hit that was still in the roadway as his focus was on the human. He turned around at the 1st good spot and when he approached the P-O'ed motorist he got an ear full about the SOB that just ran over his deer that he had just received the go-ahead to take. My co-worked then wished the irate dude well and left the scene.
His car didn't fair to well either but it wasn't worth engaging in any conversation with the other.

[egor20]

I have this occur around 3 or 4 times a year where I live, I just call the county sheriff's and they just tell me to dispatch it and they will send out a sheriff with the paperwork. I then take it to my local butcher who gives me 50% off because I donate the meat to my local church/shelter

Btw I shoot them an inch to the NW of the ear, usually use a .38 or my carry .45....... just make sure your not wearing a suit you like :barf:, made that mistake once

[the blur]

free coyote lunch.
or use it as coyote bait.

[deathrider]

a guy I knew hit a deer with his truck, well he damaged his truck, but he took it upon himself to throw the carcase on the back to give to a friend, well someone saw the incident, called police & gave his vehicle description & license number to police. he was charged with taking a deer out of season, hit & run, no hunting license. alot of stupid charges. he went to court & lost. he didnt even have the deer in his possesion when he was pulled over, but he had blood, & fur in back of the truck.

I saw this on one of out interstates a few years ago. some woman blew by me doing 90+mph, well a deer jumped out of nowhere & she hit it head on sliding to a hault, no sooner than she stops some rednecks that were last vehicle she passed stop directly in front & load the deer & leave, never stopping to offer assistance. & it was quite a few people rode by before anyone stopped. I was way in the distance doing 65mph, but saw it & shook my head. she was involved in an accident, but no deer, & probably no one got tag number of the truck that grabbed the deer.

Randy

[elkman06]

between the eyes

Ummm,, no. bad choice. Between the ears or at the point where the spinal cord meets the skull. Cows die if you shoot them in the whorl..in their hair, above their eyes.

This is one of those things where doing the right thing can get a little weird. I have dispatched sheep and deer that were previously hit. I also have called the G&F when I didn't have a weapon or tool. They usually don't care. Passersby will and can be your problem. Just be quick, and get it done.

Some states probably have active giveaway programs. Our state is so large that most animals would be spoiled by the time somebody got there.
elkman06

[Shane Tuttle]

Not knowing what state or county you reside, but I wouldn't use a firearm generally speaking. If you're able to control the deer since it's lame, I would rid of the deer via knife to a vein/artery. It would definitely bleed out quicker than the average response time you received and be in pain for a shorter period of time. The other reason why I say this is if you're not experienced enough to make a sure shot, a good chance the deer is going into much greater pain if you don't do it right.

[Art Eatman]

During drouth years in Texas--and we have a fair number of those--it is common for deer to feed alongside roads at night, since what little rainfall there is runs off and makes for better growies along the right of way.

On one trip from Terlingua to Austin, 500 miles, I counted over 120 dead deer along the way. Mostly between Fort Stockton on I-10 and on to US 290 to just outside Austin. On other trips, thirty to fifty dead deer was a not-uncommon count. And, sure, some trips, very few. Several trips per year, some twenty-seven years, now.

I don't know if "calloused" is the right word, but I definitely don't get excited about it...

I remember a magazine article from years ago with a comment from the Pennsylvania wildlife folks: The hunter kill, one season, was around 60,000 deer. The vehicle kill during the year was about the same.

[golfballshootr]

Would have to go with the vein/artery cutting if a knife were available. Otherwise, a good tire tool, wrench or something solid to the head.

And after reading Art's post, I am sure he will know where I am referring to. 7 years ago we were doing some work between Sheffield and Dryden, TX. During one time, we counted 57 deer within about 40 miles. There are some that are hit, and there are some that are hung up in the fence. We cannot carry any type of firearm with work, even if we could, discharging a firearm from a roadway, here in OK is a no-no, and if I understand right, same in TX.

[sourdough44]

I think in most states it's not legal to put the animal out. Let the cops do that. If one hits a deer usually the one that hits it has 1st dibs. It may not always seem right but it's the 'system'.If you live out in the sticks, you can do what's right.

[k31]

i have shot two in those same circumstances my ccw so far is a blessing in away
i ilived in braxton county wv very remote in most areas
i hate to see carcasses left in the road you hit it you move it so no one else hits it and as far as hooting it goes mine were both on i 79 i drug them out of the concrete ditch so i couldnt ricochet as easy and put two in the head it doesnt matter where as long as it isnt a 380 or the mouth or face make sure you brain it
a 380 can glance it doent penetrate rouned bone well it is a fat round slug
a 22 will penitrate because it is smaller
use the same force first try to stab your hand with the eraser side then with the same force the pointed side of a pencil a 22 will bust a deers head
ruger 10/22 = West Virginian long bow

[TheGoldenState]

This is bad, and im not trying to make light of said situation (the answer to it has been posted several times over), but reading thru this thread reminds me of the cow in the road scene from "Me Myself and Irene" with Jim Carey.

[rr2241tx]

In Texas, it is illegal to discharge a weapon in the right of way and illegal to pick up a dead deer in the right of way unless you legally shot it and it ran into the right of way and died there. I hit a pretty nice young buck on a busy highway a few years ago that very nearly totaled my little sports car and by coincidence the deer ended up very near the trunk of my car when I got stopped. I was out trying to find something in my trunk that would hold the hood down when the highway patrol showed up and started in reading me the riot act about not touching the dead deer. I think he really needed his priorities rearranged.

[hoytinak]

I almost got arrest for dispatching a whitetail that had been hit by a car once. Luckly, I talked my way out of it as I knew the deputy pretty well. Here in TX, you are not supposed to dispatch them or even if they are already dead in the middle of the road, you can't legally move them to the side out of the way. The state doesn't want you touching them at all. I know in the panhandle the state has a company the goes around collecting all the roadkill and they sell it off to make dog food.

[troy_mclure]

in washington you cannot keep a deer hit by a car, even if you hit it.

[Daryl]

Back in Arizona, an LEO can issue you a cacass tag for the deer, and the meat is then your's.

However, I'm not so sure about dispatching such an animal. It might be considered poaching, and while I feel for the animal, I have to look out for myself first. It's usually best to call an LEO for dispatching the animal.

Daryl

[roy reali]

The deer in this thread was on the edge of town. Hence, phone service and a quick LEO response. But Nevada has lots of isolated areas, no cell service, LEO's very unlikely.

I do have a gun with me when traveling in those areas. I think I would dispatch an animal in that circumstance.

[Art Eatman]

Ah, yes, beautiful downtown Dryden, population six. And Sheffield, where the only new buildings in town are government or government-employee residences.

I didn't know about the Texas law prohibiting removing a deer from the highway. I'd stop and remove a rock, so I figure I'd stop and move a deer if it were a hazard. And in my precinct, here, I know the JP would throw out any charges occurring from a mercy killing of a deer caught in a fence. He'd probably tell the arresting officer that Ron White was correct.

It's a shame. Modern America, where one's best interest lies in ignoring Bad Things.

Not the way I grew up.

[kaylorinhi]

Here in NE NC they told me that a State roadcrew would be by to collect it after a deputy had dispatched the animal. waste of a good sized Doe!

[Buzzcook]

Might also add that a deer that is hit by a auto or truck, will be full of clots that it may only be suitable for processed sausage.

Some of the best venison I've had came pre-tenderized by a 1965 Chrysler Grand Imperial.:D

In the Methow valley there's a sign near Winthrop giving the number of deer/car collisions. One year it was over 650, this year it was in the 300s.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/deer.html#driving

If you accidentally hit and kill a deer, try to move the animal off the road--providing you can do so in complete safety. Otherwise, report the location of the deer’s body to the city, county, or state highway department with jurisdiction for the road. If no action is taken, contact the non-emergency number of the local police department, and the agency will arrange for the body to be removed. This will prevent scavengers from being attracted onto the road, and eliminate a potential traffic hazard.

If the deer is wounded, call the non-emergency number of the local police department and describe the animal’s location. Emphasize that the injured deer is a traffic hazard to help ensure that someone will come quickly.
Didn't find a mention about keeping the deer.

[Doodlebugger45]

Obviously the laws (and how they are enforced) vary a whole lot from place to place. I don't carry a firearm for personal protection, but I do always carry a firearm in my vehicle for the purpose of shooting a deer or elk that's been hit by a car. It happens a lot around here. Most any native can tell you numerous stories of either hitting one themselves or coming onto the scene when someone else has hit it. Typically, tourists and even some locals, don't always carry a firearm for such an event, so it's not uncommon to have to put the deer down and drag it off the road. I have never ever heard of someone getting into trouble for doing so. Typically, we don't have cell phone service here and the nearest law enforcement will be awhile in getting there.

One time I encountered the situation above and shot the deer and drug him off the road just as the highway patrol car was arriving at the scene. The officer simply said "thanks, we'll handle it from here". I never gave any thought to the law. Of course, I wouldn't think of trying to eat a deer or elk that's been hit on the road. The injuries to the deer are typically pretty massive and I would imagine most of the meat would be ruined. Around here though, venison and elk meat are not in short supply. If you merely mention to a friend that you wish you had some game meast, you will quickly find that you don't have enough freezer space to hold all the offers of meat. No reason to resort to eating roadkill.

[egor20]

§ 29.1-539. Keeping deer or bear struck by motor vehicle; procedure to be followed by driver.

Any person driving a motor vehicle who collides with a deer or bear may, upon compliance with the provisions of this section, keep the deer or bear for his own use as if the animal had been killed by that person during hunting season for the animal.

Any person so killing any deer or bear shall immediately report the accident to the conservation police officer or other law-enforcement officer of the county or city where the accident occurred. The conservation police officer or other law-enforcement officer shall view the deer or bear and if he believes that the deer or bear was killed by the collision with the motor vehicle or injured to such an extent as to require its death, he shall award the animal to the person claiming the deer or bear, and shall give the person a certificate to that effect on forms furnished by the Department.

(1950, pp. 441, 442, §§ 29-155.2 to 29-155.4; 1980, c. 271; 1987, c. 488; 2007, c. 87.)

[jimbob86]

Don't. The deer is dead and you don't want to be.

A few years ago a guy in Bellvue, NE, got out of his car to do move a deer struck by another motorist. .... and was struck and killed by another car.

[k31]

well then i think we all can agree do what you feel is right and legal and safe dont be the idiot who thinks they can drag a 200+ deer out of the road in time to avoid the car traveling 75mph that is only 100yards away
i understand that most of a children are being taught in school that you should not think to ever solve a problem for them self cause we need to tell the person in charge
im religious if you disagree fine but "for me and my house" jamse 4:17 taught
he that knowith to do good and he do it not to him it is sin
if i see you broke down i will help even on the interstate with idiot drivers
also if my kid feels it needs to be done she will clean your kids clock quicker than brasso so to all America adults and kids use common sence and think before you act but act
"even if i make the wrong choice i have still made a decision and did not let others decide for me, that is socialism" Chad Powell

[shortwave]

Years ago when I lived in Cols. Ohio. Cols. and many of the bordering suburban city's/towns had a roadkill list you could get your name put on. My girlfriend at the time was a Reysnoldburg,Oh. LE dispatcher that worked nights. Needless to say my(and friends) freezers stayed full of venison usually hit around the city park(Blacklick Woods) .
If the deer was really torn up, they wouldn't even call. Many were not hit hard at all and alive when I arrived. I knew most of the LEO so I'd dispatch the deer so they(LEO) wouldn't have to fill out a report.

This was all done inside city limits.

One night, I show up for a hit deer which was alive but laying in a ditch, along the road next to some apartments. I had dispatched many deer in that area as the deer over-run park was right across the street. The LEO that was there was new and I'd never seen him before. He had his cruiser's headlights and spot shining on the deer. Her head was up but she couldn't move.

I approached her from the back side, drew my pistol from my jacket pocket and shot her in top of the head.

What a mistake on my part that was.

This new, young LEO went into orbit.:eek:

He started screaming at me about discharging a firearm in city limits all the while having his nervous hand on his weapon.

Without moving a muscle, I calmly explained to him that I normally shot the deer when I came out.

Needless to say, he took a bit of a ribbing from the rest of the fellow LEO's.
The next time I was called and he was there, I hollered "I going to shoot the deer now" :D.
He laughed!