What do you carry and why

[Kevinw]

I know this gets rehashed every once and a while but I thought I would ask anyway. What weapon do you normally carry and why. Also how much extra ammo? Do you use different weapons for different stuations or locations.
Lately I have been carrying a colt 1991A1 commander with two extra mags. If it is colder I carry my glock 17 with a total of 52 rounds. For deep conceal I use a colt Defender.

[Coinneach]

Beretta 92FS. 100% reliability with any ammo, not so big that I can't conceal it, and it can handle +P+.

I own nothing but 15-round mags for it. I usually carry in a Jackass rig with 2 spares.

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[Svt]

Kimber Ultra Elite with a Wilson Combat Sharkskin IWB holster or Wilson Close Quarter Battle with Mitch Rosen ARG IWB holster. I carry one extra mag. 185 gr Corbon JHP in the Kimber and 230gr Federal HS in the Wilson. Why? Because I love 1911's and most comfortable using them. The Kimber is great when the weather gets on the warm side. The Wilson is great when I can wear fall, winter and spring attire. The .45 ACP IMO is the ideal defense round.

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[SA Scott]

Two 1911-pattern .45s. Para-Ordnance P-13 and Springfield Armory Ultra-Compact, carried in paddle holsters, with which I'm still experimenting to find the best for me. Hydra-shoks in both.

The 1911 system works best for me, the Para-Ordnance being the weapon I trust most and shoot most comfortably/accurately.

SA Scott

[Andrewh]

Taurus pt 100, with laser sight and comp for winter carry only. Summer carry is a Springfield P9 in .40. I carry 2 extra mags the taurus is 11 rds the P9 only 10 rds.
I believe you should carry full size if you can. The taurus got too bulky with the add ons for anything other than large jacket carry. I picked the P9 because it was thinner, but I still got the double stack and it felt right in my hand.

[CMOS]

Geez Coinneach, that's almost a full box of ammo. That's what I call prepared.

I carry a USP Compact 9mm. Sometimes fanny pack, sometimes IWB-right-rear, with jacket I use a Galco Concealable holster.

I typically do not carry extra magazines but after reading this thread I feel inadequate...

Almost forgot, I carry because I can and it's my right. For me and my family, it's simply insurance. Wouldn't you want some insurance?

CMOS

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[Sport]

As I write this, a Smith 3913.
If it's good enough for Louis Freeh,
it's good enough for me.

Gold Dot 115gr. Alessi CQC and single
magazine carrier

[Kevinw]

I did forget to mention that my Baretta sometimes takes the place of the Glock. Guess it depends on my mood. Oh and CMOS when I have the glock it is more than a full box of ammo. With three 17 rounders and one one in the pipe I have 52. I figure if I ever really need more it is time to pray to God and hope I die quick. I carry the extra mags as much for clearing Jams as anything else. Although it does give me some extra secure feeling. and since I carry the extra mags either in the shoulder rig or on my weak side on my belt, they are not in the way. It is kind of like having a V6 instead of a 4 cylinder car. Both get you there but the 6 gives you a little extra "just in case"

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[ellsworthtoohey]

I usually carry a S&W model 640-1 or model 49. I almost always carry them in a strong side belt holster from El Paso Saddlery, Bianchi, Galco, or Don Hume. The gun conceals well under a loose t-shirt or untucked casual shirt. It is also very fast and comfortable. Sometimes I use a Milt Sparks Summer Special, a Kramer IWB, or a Milt Sparks Pocket Holster. I usually carry four Bianchi Speed strips in various pockets for a total of 24 reloads along with a ColdSteele folder or two.

In Winter, I often carry a 2 inch S&W model 64 in a Bianchi or El Paso Saddlery strong side hip holster, and occaisionally a 4 inch S&W model 10 or 19 in the same type holsters. These K-frames I carry when the weather is cool enough for a vest. With this arrangement, I carry my routine 24 rounds in the Bianchi Speed Strips along with two more in the vest pockets and two Safariland speedloaders, also in the vest pockets.

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[Ledbetter]

A Colt Govt. .380 with Hydrashocks and a couple of Glasers on top of the mag. Seems a little inadequate in such robust company. Guess I'll strap on my Commander today if I'm gonna keep posting here! :D

[Miss Demeanors]

I only carry pepper spray http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif Can't carry in IL. It would be nice to carry an AR around though http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif

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[scott510]

P7 in a Galco SOB with Corbon, no extra mags. I used to compete with a Govt. model but the P7, for the real world, is just too good and safe not to carry. It is the most accurate and fast to use pistol that I've ever fired. I'm a convert and working on getting all models of the P7. I'm short the M10, M13 and the .22 conversion for the K3. Yes, I know they're clunky.

[jcoyoung]

I live in Illinois too, but I carry a Benchmade Mini AFCK w/ M2 combo edge in my strong side front pocket. I also carry a Surefire 6P (good for blinding BGs).

MissD, Time for you to go knife shopping!

[Rex Feral]

H&K USP .45C w/230gr Federal Hydra-Shok in a Kramer IWB, spare mag w/GI ball, Surefire 6P, Motorola Star-Tac cell phone.

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[AF Shooter]

On Duty: M9 (Berreta Mod 92 for you civilian types) ;)
Spare 15 rd magazine

Off Duty: BHP/.40 in a Galco IWB.
Federal Hydra-Shok 135gr.
Spare magazine - depends on what I'm wearing.

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[Mike in VA]

It depends on time palce & attire. Most often SIG 239/9mm in jackass rig, 2 spare mags. I'm big & it just disappears under a jacket or vest, and I've gotten pretty good with the 239. Sometimes I go with SIG 228 in MTHG BS-2 strong side, high & tight, hides well under a baggy sweatshirt or sweater or suitcoat. When discretion is a must, Beretta Tomcat in MTHG pocket holster. Always have a blade, usually a BM mini-AFCK or Stryker.
M2

[jeffelkins]

It depends on my mood...

I've gotten a severe case of 1911itis and have been carrying:

1. Colt M1991A1 Compact
2. SA Champion Stainless
3. Kimber Poly/Stainless Target

My Glock 23 is mainly doing bedroom duty with an M3 taclite. I badly want a Scherer 30 round mag in .40, but haven't been able to locate one.

On those occasional light days, I slip a Taurus 85UL into the pants pocket.

Why? Because I can.

[fed168]

On duty, an issued 4506-1, in a Safariland SS III, backed by a 442 in Wild Bill's pocket holster and a Benchmade.
Off duty, a 457 or the -06, depends on the mood, sometimes with the 442, depending on where I am, and the Benchmade. Off duty stuff rides in Wild Bill's concealment leather, or when necessary, Galco fanny pack for all the trimmings (cuffs, light, spare mag etc). Carry one to two spare mags, speed strip for the 442. I carry the big gun because it is issued. The smaller one because it works like the big one, our department uses it, I get free maintainance, my department supplies free .45 to practice, same mags. Something else to keep in mind, if it is ever used, I am not out a ton of cash on the gun. After a shooting, it is seized as evidence. So the department can give me a new 4506, no cost to me, and the others were economical decisions. They all work to my satisfaction.

[Dr.Rob]

Colt 1991a1 with seecamp DA lower in stainless /parkerized 8 shot chip mccormick mag, 2 spares in an uncle mike's slimline velcro pouch.. pistol rides in a galco slide holster. I just 'carry" in competition for now.

Other options are the same rig with a commander sized 1911 or a FEG hi-power clone using all the same equipment.

Dr.Rob

[Johnny Got His Gun.1]

I feel grossly under-carried after reading these posts, but, for what it's worth . . .

1. travel gun (car or truck for trips): Glock 17

2. "kicking around" gun: .45/.410 single-shot; damn thing's so heavy that I could use it as a billy club to boot!

[panamint]

I feel under gunned. I carry a 5 shot 357 Mag (Rugar SP101),with 10 rounds extra. Maybe I should think about carrying my 45 or 9mm. What do others think about my choice.

[Dennis]

Panamint,
I think you should carry what you can use most safely, effectively, and efficiently.

I carry .45s - usually one at a time. I've been known to have three .45s on or about my person. But the "jump out of bed" gun is a S&W Model 28 (.357) with a 6" bbl.

I've also been known to carry a Glock 34 (9mm, medium-long slide) - but I prefer the 1911-style because of habit and prejudice.

YOU should carry what works for YOU - not what some guy like me tells you is "right".

'Round the house, I rely on two 12ga pump guns.

Stay safe.

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[wakal]

Hard to go wrong with a .357, Panamint! Depending on how the mood strikes me (somedays you feel like a wheelgun, somedays you don't), I have my Magnum Carry in either a strong-side paddle or an ankle rig.

When it is actually cold enough to wear a real jacket (I'm originally from MN, and this TX weather kills me), one of my P14's, also strong side.

Normally, however, in this desert my Glock 27 (damn, I hate Glocks...why do they have to work so well) ends up clipped in the inside pocket of my jeans jacket.

Extra ammo? If revolver day, a Bianchi speed strip in one of those nifty Dillon cases on the belt. Para? Extra mag, weak side hip. G27? Extra mag in a carrier, in the other side inside jacket pocket with my wallet. Slow to reload, but balances nicely.

I am, however, embarassed to mention what may soon become my backup to my backup weapon. NAA .22LR revolver. Cute little bugger, wore it in the front pocket of a pair of sweats and forgot about it. Don't know what good it would do, but very entertaining.


Alex

PS why do I carry? Had this discussion with a fellow wage slave a few weeks ago, after he accused me of wanting to shoot someone. My theory: weapons carry (and martial arts training) is sort of a just in case thing...I pay for insurance, too, and don't plan on having my house catch on fire or my wife wrap my car around a tree.

[Ned Roundtree]

Gl :pck G26, IWB, ten rounds in mag. No extras. Reason is concealability and that's all I can sometimes carry. Got to make it count.

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[HankL]

Quite a few folks here know I carry an officers mod. colt loaded with Rem. 185+P HP and why. It's just a handy hideable little plinker! I don't carry any extra mags when i'm in the tub.

[OF]

Howdy all,


I'm new here and have been lurking for a week or so, great discussions you folks have. Particularly enjoyed the 'Ms. Magazine' battle. What a great distillation of the common arguments (and their common counters)you run into on both sides. I've pointed more than a couple people there to familiarize them with the topic before I get into discussions. Too bad at the end there it's mostly just the pro folks talking it over...the anti's seem to have packed it up and gone home ;). I got the feeling most of the pro folks never got out of second gear for the entire debate.

As for the carry thing:

HK USP .40 [variant 1] / Kramer IWB / 1 spare mag if I can (depends on the clothing) - both mags are 13rds.

Used to load CorBon 135gr. +P, just switched to 180gr. Winchester Black Talon. Might switch to 165 or 155gr. (is there a 155?)Ranger SXT soon (just to be out a little farther off the 'nutcase' radar screen of any defense attorney I might end up across from).

I'm also planning on retiring the HK to the bedroom (after I put a Wilcox Beamer vis/IR flashlight and PT night sights on it) and switching the carry to a Glock 29 in either a SideArmor or Mitch Rosen ARG IWB. Strong side hip, or occasionally SOB.


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PS why do I carry? Had this discussion with a fellow wage slave a few weeks ago, after he accused me of wanting to shoot someone. My theory: weapons carry (and martial arts training) is sort of a just in case thing...I pay for insurance, too, and don't plan on having my house catch on fire or my wife wrap my car around a tree[/quote]


I would add to that that firearms carry (and training) also teaches respect, patience, calmness in the face of adversity, self-reliance, confidence in your ability to control your actions in the most extreme moments and (most of all) responsibility for those actions.

Why carry? I'm a fairly liberal guy (don't throw the stones just yet ;) ). In most issues, I tend to forge a left-leaning profile. One thing I try to keep is an open mind. I listened to arguments from pro and anti gun folks (back when I was an anti...for no reason other than that's what the people I hung around believed, therefore I believed...by some kind of social osmosis), and found the anti's arguments lacking in substance. The pro arguments I was presented with were calm, rational and took into account aspects of the issue that had never even crossed my mind. The anti arguments were emotional, irrational under scrutiny, narrow- and closed-minded and based in fear.

I can also respect pure pacifism. Someone who is absolutely unwilling to add to the level of violent energy in the universe AT ANY COST. Even the cost of their own life, or those they love (the latter being pretty hard to swallow). It's a poignant statement, albeit a utopian one. To ask others to take up the banner of pacifism in this time is asking a bit much, let alone to demand it of them.

However, that being said, if you feel that it's OK for someone who means you harm to receive harm in order to prevent you (or your loved) from being harmed, you're no pacifist. It's assinine to expect someone else to do it for you. Would you defend yourself? If you say 'yes', get a gun. It's polar: full-on pacifism or get armed. If you believe there should be a police force to protect your ass (and the asses you love), then get your ass in gear and take some responsibility.

That's why I carry. I hope I never have to hurt anyone. I wish we could get some education and rational drug laws and try to relieve some of this deep deep poverty, but here comes mr. bad guy and he's gonna kill you -- right ****ing now, not after you get your education, or your social justice, but right NOW. It would shatter my life. But if the situation reached that extreme, it's going to be shattered anyway. I'll take the shot...maybe all 27 of 'em ;).


- gabe

PS: anybody know anything about the legality of carrying Black Talons? How about if you actually had to let go with one of those things? I know the lawyers will have a field day with you..but anyone with any actual legal briefs or the like?



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[kframe19]

Depends. I carry quite a variety...

When I'm in shorts & a T-shirt, it's normally either a P7M13, a Kahr K9 or, and don't laugh, a Taurus TP-22.

When I'm wearing a jacket, it's most likely either the P7M13 or my personal favorite, my S&W Model 19 2.5" That is what will be going under the jacket when I walk the dogs this evening.

Very, VERY occasionally I'll carry a Beretta 92, but that's one big honking piece of weapon. Don't like to carry it too much...

[tatters]

KelTec P-11 W/CorBon 115+p in a DeSantis iwb.
One extra mag w/Golden Sabers
...or...

KelTec P-32 w/ fmj/Silvertips alternated
One extra mag w/same mix

One small pocketknife in off pocket

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[cruiserman]

Cocked and locked USPc .45 in blade-tech IWB with spare mag. Someday I'm going to get a smaller gun for summer carry. I keep a cell phone with me, too.

[Dennis Olson]

In the socialist republik of Wiskonsin, it's illegal to carry concealed....

So I carry a S&W 4006 in a strong-side belt holster, along with 2 extra mags (total of 30 rds). Mags are loaded w/Black Talons (also illegal here) and wad-cutters in a staggered load.

If I'm gonna be illegal, I may as well do it right! ;)

I will NEVER submit to the gov't telling me that *I* or a loved one must DIE at the hands of a goblin in order to satisfy their socialist laws. Screw 'em.

When guns are outlawed, I'll be an outlaw... Hey, I guess I already AM! Cool....

[parabellum]

Glock 19 loaded with CorBon 115 grainers. Light, reliable, easy to shoot, more than adequately powerful.

[Dave AA]

At work:
Plain-jane Kimber 5" custom classic S/S. W/ Wilson 8 round mag
1 10 round Wilson mag for a spare.
Off work:
Same thing.

[Longshot]

Glock 27 w/spare 15rd hi cap. Belly band or IWB depending on my laundry situation and the weather.

I carry for protection and as a political statement.

[Rick44]

Well, it depends.

Most days I carry a Kimber Pro CDP :D in a IWB shirt tuck or belt slide.

Warm weather a Glock 27 either IWB shirt tuck or in Rt front pocket.Shoulder holster under a loose shirt too.

Out walking in the woods either a 3" 629 or a cut-down Marlin 45-70 :cool:

If all else fails, I have an Am. Derringer in 44 Mag :eek: in my front pocket.

Spare ammo as circumstances allow. Usually one mag or speed loader.

I carry for insurance and because it REALLY upsets the libs.

Rick

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[Larry P.]

Sig P229, one spare mag (25 rds total .40), because as someone else said, the 229 has devoured everything I fed it without a hiccup, and the LAST thing I want is a misfire in combat, I'd rather have my old Python and 6 .357s. Let's not discuss the rig or frequency since my carry is illegal for another couple months. Bride carries S&W Airlight (337?) with 5 on board and no spares, close-up and personal defense only, since her carry is also currently a "bad" thing her coworkers can kiss her ass and die alone. She'll take care of herself only. 5 .38 +P Corbons at 3 feet or less oughta handle that. If not, my bad, and I'll be the one suffering for it.


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By the Bye, Mr. Fedman or others, I post so boldly because I (and my bride) are completely prepared to fight you all the way to the Supreme Court. You don't like it? Come and get me. I have the time, I have the resources, and I have the immaculate background. I dare you.



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[ckurts]

Larry P., I'm so tired of you tiptoein' around- why don't you tell us how you really think?

What do I carry? It depends. Most often S&W Model 36, 125 grain Gold Dots. On occasion, Model 60 with either 110 grain Winchester .357 JHP or .38 +P 158 grain LHP. The only rig I've tried that seems to work for this Houston fatboy is the Pager Pal.

For an always gun, NAA mini in .22 WMR, front pocket.

I've had a serious crush on 1911's since I first fired one some 30 odd years ago. Therefore, sometimes for a "travel gun" I'll put my unaltered 1991A1 commander in the glovebox. The only time in over 3000 rounds that it's malfunctioned was with some really bad ammo. And I can hit with it!

I try to practice with all my handguns on a rotating basis.

[fubsy]

quad 50.......iwb of tyranasaurs rex...fubsy.

[Marko Kloos]

Most of the time I carry a Glock 26 with a spare 10rd mag, in a nylon IWB (spare mag in the watch pocket of my jeans.) Sometimes I feel like carrying a whole box of ammo, and I pack my Glock 22 with 15+2 mag in the gun, as well as a 15+2 and a PC 10rd as spares in a Bagmaster belt pack or a DeSantis strongside paddle and spare mag holder.

On those days when the mood calls for a wheelgun( such as today), I'll be lugging my new Taurus 606 with two speedloaders and two speed strips in the same Bagmaster belt pack.

My "always" gun, independent of primary armament: NAA Mini-Mag in .22 WMR, in a pocket holster riding in my front pocket.

I carry because I don't feel like being a victim, and because it gives me a sense of confidence and peace of mind. Also, the gun grabbers hate it. I am legally carrying (and my home state thankfully has reciprocity with 12 others), but I will carry into states that don't allow CCW. My right to life and self defense is more important than some pol's seat in congress. "If you can't point to a victim, no crime has been committed."

[HankL]

Nice Post GRD, I can't give you any advise on the Black Tallons though.

[OF]

Thanks Hank.

I've looked into the Black Talon thing a bit since I asked and have found some info. Looks like there aren't any federal statutes prohibiting you from owning, carrying or using (god forbid) the little monsters. But there are state and/or local ordinances that make you the bad guy for having them. So check your local rulebooks.

Same thing for LEO ammo that was never for sale the common folk - - ie. the new Ranger Talons. You can buy and shoot them as long as your locale allows it.

Although I'm sure the lawyers (and the media)would chew you up and spit you out for shooting someone with LEO ammunition. For what that matters.

(disclaimer: I'm an idiot, and no lawyer. Don't trust me to do your homework...but if i come across more info on this, I'll let you folks know)


- gabe

[Sword]

M1991A1 Officers Model, L&L, 4 extra mags, shoulder or left hip (prefer cross-draw)

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[Gunslinger]

Anyone that has been here very long already knows I carry a 6" "N" frame Smith and have for over twenty years. I carry between 18 and 30 rounds of spare ammo depending on if I grab the speed loaders before going out or just the "ammo pack". In the last twenty years I've tried every concealment holster/rig on the market with varying degrees of comfort. While at the Tulsa show some three weeks ago I tried a new concealment rig similar to a Bellyband, which I don't care for, but with numerious improvements. After wearing it for the last three weeks I have became so impressed with it that Terridarri and I have just became the Missouri/Kansas distributors for them. This thing would comfortably conceal a Desert Eagle! All my custom built rigs and "whiz-bang-trick-of-the-month-rigs" are now shoved in the bottom of the gun cabinet where they will stay.
How's that for a shameless plug? :o

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We live in a time in which attitudes and deeds once respected as courageous and honorable are now scorned as being antiquated and subversive.

[sarge83]

70 Series Colt .45 LWT Commander fall/winter.
Makarov 9X18 or AMT SA .380 spring/summer.

Would carry my Glock 23 all the time if I could get it away from my wife!

[LawDog]

HK P7 with one reload.

Used to have a shotgun and a rifle in the pick-up, but... ;)

Why? Because my 30mm Chaingun has been on backorder for 15 years. :D

LawDog

[Jim March]

http://www.rekat.com/images/sifu-vert.jpg

5.45" blade length, 12" overall when open. I own and carry serial number ONE because I convinced REKAT to build a megafolder for the Calif market. See also: http://www.rekat.com/sifu.html

Why?

Because this screwed-up mess we sometimes refer to as "California" has the worst CCW system concievable, but we can pack any length folding knife concealed.

My *second* lawsuit against my Sheriff re: CCW will be starting up again within a month or two.

Jim

[Miss Demeanors]

I'm jealous, reading these replies you all are lucky to be able to carry. There are certain places I have to avoid because I have nothing with me but the pepper spray, if I could carry I would feel much better, especially at night.

Knife shopping it is! :)

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[buzz_knox]

GRD

Assuming that some idiotic local law or ordinance doesn't prohibit them, you're "golden" as far as Black Talons are concerned.

Black Talons were designed to meet FBI standards, so a plaintiff's lawyer will be hard pressed to claim they are "proof" of a murderous intent. "Gee, I bought them because I heard the FBI thought they worked well."

Black Talons have been proven to do no more damage than conventional hollowpoints (sorry Winchester, it's the truth. Those talons are a nice gimmick but they don't really do anything.) So, the "deadlier than average" theory won't work.

Finally, Black Talons have less energy than most popular .40 rounds (i.e. Silvertips, 135 gr Corbons). So, you can show that you didn't go for the most powerful thing you could find, which might sway the jury. (Note: I carry Silvertips or Corbon myself in my 229 on the theory that if I have to "perform the indicated response" as Ayoob says, I want them down NOW! I'll explain to the jury that by eliminating the threat quickly, I can not only safeguard my own life, but get medical attention to the perp that much faster).

Here's a strategy for dealing with the bullet design issue:

1. TODAY, think about why you chose that round. Come up with good reasons for this round as opposed to others. If you can't other than the "gee, it looks vicious", get rid of it and find a better round. Then, document your search and keep the articles you analyzed. That'll support you later on.

2. depose the manufacturer and the designer. No way in hell either of them will say that the design is more dangerous than most, no matter what the advertisements say. They'll drop that claim like a hot potato ("gee, my design is certainly no more dangerous than your average bullet so please don't think about suing me for designing an ultrahazardous product, Mr. Plaintiff's Lawyer/Legal Prostitute/Scumbag")

3. have your attorney file a Motion in Limine to bar any arguments as to the design of the bullet. The question is intent and standard of care. Even if the claim is an accidental discharge, the bullet design has nothing to do with it.

4. trust the jury to have a little common sense and play it straight with them.

Sorry for the long post but I thought this might help.

[OF]

Thanks Buzz, any long post full of good info is fine by me :)

Here's something I ran across that enforces your advice. It's the appeals court opinion for McCarthy v Olin regarding the Colin Furgeson shooting:
http://www.law.pace.edu/lawlib/legal/us-legal/judiciary/second-circuit/test3/96-7320.a.html


- gabe

[C.R.Sam]

What....686-1 2.5" in Galco SIL 104 just behind hip point right side. Loose sport shirt or sport coat covers well. Two speed loaders in dump boxes left rear, two speed strips left rear pocket. CorBon 125 .357. Like the retention of night vision due to colour and low intensity of flash with the CorBon.
Why carry, cause I can, insurance, been doin so for over thirty years ( concealed ); bout fifty years total carry.
Why the short 686, cause I am a little feller with small hands and body, it is the most stopping ability I have found that will conceal and handle well for me. I do live drills twice a week and dry practice at odd times. Try to do night work at least once/month. I am old and can't see so well so have to practice a lot. Can get mouth or throat hit out to 15yds consistantly from concealed with reasonable speed. Drop cane, flip clothing, pop perp, go for cover.



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[Kent White]

"Always gun"-Ruger SP101 .357 DAO 2.25" barrel, loaded with Remington 125gr SJHP...2 speed strips of the same mininum, speedloaders optional.

More serious carry-1911 loaded with Federal 230gr Hydra-shoks...minimum of 2 spare mags.

When I know I have trouble at hand-the nearest rifle or shotgun.

[Tamara]

Primary Carry gun: 90% of the time is my Glock 29, Glaser Silver in the chamber, 10 rounds of CorBon 135gr in the mag. (Carrying in the gun store overpenetration is a concern: It is considered bad form to perforate the BG and hit a customer, also it cuts down on repeat business) Backup mag is a G20 15 rounder full of Silvertips. (If I'm one mag change into a gunfight, suddenly I'm more worried about survival than overpenetration). Other times my G23C or G33.

Always Gun: Beretta 3032 Tomcat, PPS 40gr solid copper MPP in the chamber, mag full of Silvertips...

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Tamara's House o' Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!

[denfoote]

Up until the start of this month I would have said "Walther P99". However when S&W caved in to the Klinton's, I got to thinking. Walther just allied itself with S&W, I support the S&W boycott, so why am I carrying a P99?
I was confused for a while. During this state of confusion, I started thinking about,and GOD FORBID, actually LOOKING at GLOCKS!! http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/eek.gif Then my birthday rolled around. A friend of mine offered to buy me a new gun. Well, there we were, in the gun store. Those Glocks were just calling to me from inside the case. Beguiling me from beyond the glass. Before I knew it, several of them were actually out of the case and laying in front of me. The spell was cast, I was hooked, and God help me I chose the Glock 26. This is what I now carry. The little beast (I am still not fully cognizant of what has just happened, but I'll get used to it.) fits perfectly in my pocket. It fits my hand well too. I am getting used to the trigger, and can shoot it almost as well as my other 9MM's. I think that this will be my new summer time carry pistol.

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!

[HankL]

GO C.R.! http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/biggrin.gif

[Spectre]

I routinely carry a P-32 loaded with FN hardball, my Nextel i700+ (milspec for shock resistance) radio/phone/internet-capable device, and a Spyderco Native.

Why?
1) Because I can, and feel it's my duty.
2) Because I'm not expecting trouble.

If I were expecting trouble, I would likely be wearing my Glock 24, with two 15-round reloads of Mullin's-loaded 155-XTP's, and carrying a Mossberg 500 or M1 Carbine, and backed by friends that will bleed and die with me, but not if we see them first. http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/biggrin.gif

[Blueyedog]

I am ashamed to say I carry a S&W. However, I have carried it for over 6 years so it was purchased long before their Benedict Arnold act.

Anyway, I carry a S&W 908 with a spare clip. On those days when I have to 'dress-up' the Smith is just too heavy, so recently I've purchased a Kal Tec-P32. I carry Corbon HollowPoints in both guns. I use and in-the-pant holster and NEVER have it in my purse. Don't want those Tic-Tacs up the barrel, ya know. http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/biggrin.gif

[Jay Baker]

Most of the time, a Colt Lightweight Commander, MMC fixed sights, trigger job, in a Kramer Proline strong side holster. WW 185 gr. Silvertips. One extra 8 round mag in pouch. Once it's too hot to wear anything but tee shirts and jeans.......

ALWAYS, a Mdl. 60 Smith in a Sparks pocket holster, with six extra rounds in a Bianci Speed Strip. J.B.

[JeepBear]

Why do I carry a gun?
1. See Constitution of the US, Amendment II. Because I can.
2. Because I feel it's my duty as an honest, law-abiding, God-fearing and morally forthright human being to defend not only my life, but the lives of those people I spend my days & nights with from the scum of the Earth who would seek them as prey.
3. It puts me in a more attentive-to-detail frame of mind.
4. To be quite honest, I like it.
I may feel differently if the day comes I have to use my weapon against another human being, but somehow I doubt that very seriously.

What do I carry?
Most prefered:
SIG P229 .40, SOB in a Fobus (cheap) paddle holster I rigged up to ride IWB.
Loaded with factory 12rd mag w/15gr Federal HydraShok JHP and 1 or 2 factory 10rd'ers.
Why do I carry this?
I LOVE THIS PISTOL! Ballistics, capacity, size, feel, contolability...I trust this gun more than anything else in the house (don't tell the wife http://204.235.96.21/NonCGI/wink.gif).

Most often:
Kel-Tec P11 9mm, either in my homemade 'organizer' or IWB rear strongside (rare, haven't got a good rig yet so I use the beltclip). I still need to get do the trigger job on it.
Loaded with factory 10rd mag w/124gr Federal HydraShok JHP and 1 or 2 17rd Ramline S&W 59 Series mags with homemade bike-tube gtip extensions.
Why do I carry this?
Concealability. When I got my SIG, carring at work wasn't a problem. Then that bonehead in Ft. Worth flipped out in a church (8 miles from work) and all of a sudden, employees with guns was a problem ('Bass-ackward idiots like you are the prob, boss!'). The SIG was just too much gun for real concealment outside always wearing a jacket or giving up space in my already crowded laptop bag (and this wouldn't work too well anyway). About this time a friend in AZ was getting ready to sell his P11 (after about 200 rds) to get cash for a Baby Eagle. So I got it with the belt clip, 2 factory mags, NiteSites and the boss organizer for $250.
Not a bad gun overall. Only stovepiped twice in 1300+ rds. The trigger's a little stiff and sharp, but I'll get to fixing that soon enough.

As soon as I can afford it I want to get a Horseshoe Leather SBU2 (http://www.horseshoe.co.uk/psbu2.htm) setup for IWB for both of my CCW's.

And I will never be ashamed to say I carry a Smith & Wesson. They made d@mn fine guns. I have a Mod 29 and twin 66's that I will never sell. Cr@ppy company and I hope they burn in He11, but they made d@mn fine guns.

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---JeepBear Out---
http://www.freespeech.org/rkba
Carpe diem. Si vis pacem para bellum.

[cruiserman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss Demeanors:
I'm jealous, reading these replies you all are lucky to be able to carry. There are certain places I have to avoid because I have nothing with me but the pepper spray, if I could carry I would feel much better, especially at night.

Knife shopping it is! :)

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I personally carry for the very unlikely possiblity that I would need a gun to defend my wife and/or myself. I would still avoid 'bad' parts of town even if I were carrying a gun.

[George Hill]

Time for a part 2.