CZ75 the new 1911???

[MPanova]

Just something I was thinking about the last week or so.. It seems to me that a lot of comapny's are making a CZ75 clone so to speak, Im sure someone could put together a pretty big list. Atleast a bigger list then I can come up with right now. They seen to be really popular, shoot really well, priced from affortable to WOW, avaliable in many different calibers, and pretty friendly for making modifications.

Am I totally off here? Do others see this platform being the "modern" day 1911



note to self put on flame proof clothes now :D

[Magnum Wheel Man]

IMO, it's unique & solid, & very ergonomic... but it probably won't ever approch the popularity of the 1911 because of its military exposure...

I have several CZ-75's, & just bought a witness CZ clone in 10 mm so I love them...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26998&stc=1&d=1190290489

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[FS2K]

The "New" 1911 will fire 10mm caseless rounds, or EPP's (Electro Propulsion Progectiles) or Plasma Pulses.

In short, it will be another ground breaking innovation.

As long as guns still shoot cartridge cased bullets there will be no next 1911.

[ranburr]

IMO, it's unique & solid, & very ergonomic... but it probably won't ever approch the popularity of the 1911 because of its military exposure...


In this country, you are probably correct. But, you would be wrong as far as the rest of the world goes.

[novaDAK]

To me from what I can see right now, The 1911 is still the new 1911 :D Just like the AR15 is still the new AR15. SOOOOO many makers of the same 'basic' design.

While CZ does have a few clones out there, they're still not as 'well known' as the 1911 and there still aren't as many makers of 'clones' as there are 1911s right now.

[Gene1957]

That is actually funny, because so many of my friends with these expensive, customized, safe queen 1911s wish their pistol worked as well as my CZs. I cannot fathom paying $1-2000 or more for a gun that has more issues than ANY of my CZs.

But to each his/her own!!! Just my .02,

Gene:cool:

[LUPUS]

As Ranburr mentioned it, since the delayed fall of iron curtain, shooters in the US have been introduced to the CZ line so much later than the rest of the world. While US was so conservative against the commie originated firearms, even many NATO and oriented countries have been using them for years.
CZs have very appreciable charecteristics of ergonomy, reliability, accuracy,shooting comfort. But the trigger feel of a 1911 is unique due to the design geometry;non-pivoting straight pull trigger with very crisp pull and short reset is unmatched.So, a 1911 is a 1911.
Nevertheless,my one of the most favorite pistols is the CZ75, if not the most.
Here is my beloved CZ below. The internals and the barrel are cleaned, polished and then hard chromed. When I broke the firing pin retaining pin, I removed the firing pin block and its spring loaded lever during replacement procedure since the gun is mainly a range queen. The trigger improved increadibly both in DA and SA. Also just a plain cold blueing job applied to the inner surfaces by myself.
Best.
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[Tom2]

You will know it when they start putting alot of sexy shiny photos of it on the covers of the slick covered gun magazines and there are dozens of ads for custom 2000$ or more versions of the basic gun for sale inside. That don't function properly until a 500 round break in period. Besides, if they become too popular, then they will get as expensive as Sigs and you won't be able to buy as many. So just shoot those tight groups at the range and chuckle like you know a secret.

[MPanova]

I did not mean it was new as in something we have never seem before, I mean the CZ seems to me to be as versital as the 1911 platform

[SDDL-UP]

I'm new here and this is my first post, fitting though because I'm a big fan of the CZ-75, 85, SP-01, 85 COMBAT, et al.

The basic CZ-75 design has a LOT going for it! Will it be the "next 1911"? No. And here is why...

The 1911 was a breakthrough design, there isn't any other semi-auto from that era that is still being made. While the CZ-75 is (was) also a breakthrough design, it was 20+ years trapped behind the iron curtain before it would come to this country in any quantity and without a very high tariff. Meanwhile Beretta, Glock, Sig, and others all release quality handguns. I think if the CZ-75 would have been available since 1975 it would be our standard sidearm, not the Beretta. It might have been the "next 1911" given those circumstances.

We'll just have to settle for it being a GREAT design in a crowded field. Many American shooters are selling this design short and that's too bad because it's right there with the very best that ANYONE, Sig, HK, Glock, etc., has to offer.

[kristop64089]

i went to the range yesterday for a "proper" break in for my CZ PCR D.

It was BORINGLY accurate. double taps, tripletaps, rapid fire, single shot, 3yds,5yds,10yds,25yds this thing tore it up.(NO FTE/FTF)

up to 10 yds I can cover all of 14 of my shots with a Skoal can. NO Strays.(all on WWB). (all shot standing,and freehand) 25 yds all inside the 7 ring of a man target!

I knew I had already drawn some on lookers when I broke in my G33(compact .357sig)(that thing is friggin loud!)

Finally a few guys wanted to know what in the hell I was shooting, that was so Damn accurate.

I told them, they said what?.....and then replied how much? I told them.
and in the most depressing voice I hear, "I've got 3grand wrapped up in my 1911, Just to get the accuracy of your $450 CZ.

I offered to let them shoot, and to that they replied(kindly) "No thanks, I don't need another reason to dump another couple hundred in this thing"

I don't think CZ's will ever even reach the masses Like Glock(which is more likely the 1911 runner up). But, what they do, and do well, Is win over the hearts of their owners, and those that shoot them!

If I had to sell all of my guns and keep one. My CZ stays

[ranburr]

That is actually funny, because so many of my friends with these expensive, customized, safe queen 1911s wish their pistol worked as well as my CZs. I cannot fathom paying $1-2000 or more for a gun that has more issues than ANY of my CZs.

But to each his/her own!!! Just my .02,

Gene

I own both designs. Don't think for a minute that a CZ is any more reliable than a quality 1911. They are both extremely reliable. The problem with the 1911 is that there are some very crappy companies making piss poor examples.

[czf]

300 more into a 1911 , LOL!

You should have been shooting a 97B.

Mine had a trigger job, MMC adj. nites
and hakan custom grips.

Was a Tackdriver like no other gun I had before it or after. SIGs, berettas
and Glocks..nothing could match that laser-like accuracy.

A real 1911 Heartbreaker!

I've owned a slew of CZs and also a few 1911s that
were considered to be good like a customized Commander and a DW CBOB.

Finding the CZs much more accurate and reliable..I much prefer my CZs.

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[abarth]

No way the 75 is the modern day 1911. All CZ75 are reliable and accurate right out of the box, can't say the same for all 1911. Plus where is a CZ single stack 45acp.

[Manedwolf]

IMO, the true successor to the 1911 was and still is the SIG P220. :D

http://www.remtek.com/arms/sig/model/220/220n.jpg

[MTMilitiaman]

Man, you guys are shooting the wrong 1911s.

My bro's $450 MilSpec was accurate and reliable right out of the box.

If the 1911 was as finicky and unreliable as you guys seem to think it is, it wouldn't be with us in the popularity it is today nearly 100 years later.

[Wildalaska]

Problem with CZ 75s is that there are a significant number of folks who cant shoot them because of the trigger reach, including myself.

Wildthatsrarelyaprobwith1911sAlaska TM

[kristop64089]

I love my 1911. Not saying the CZ is better than it.

That being said it is just as good. And to get the performance out of my 1911 that would match my CZ, will cost me a few extra dollars.

[armoredman]

I am a CZ man, everyone knows that. Having said that, I can hope the CZ75 get's the popularity of the 1911A1, and it is catching on fast.
But, comparing the two is kinda awkward, as the base 1911A1 is a single stack 45ACP Single action standard rail design, while the CZ reversed rail DA/SA double stack 9mm is a horse of a differant color. I have owned 1911A1s, and they are fun to shoot, but I feel much more comfy carrying the CZ. I also don't like SA, which is why WildIbethe'sgotshortfingersAlaska can use a 1911 far easier than a CZ.
But popularity wise? The CZ will have a long uphill battle there, and who knows what next break through will come, sooner than we think.

[Jim Watson]

Reminds me of all the old articles "What will be the next DC-3?"

[kristop64089]

There will only be 1 1911.(and i don't own it:()

[Thunderhawk88]

Problem with CZ 75s is that there are a significant number of folks who cant shoot them because of the trigger reach, including myself.


That is why I pick up my new Glock 19 this weekend instead of a CZ 75B, the double-action trigger reach seemed to be a bit of a stretch on the CZ.

[Gene1957]

Ranburr,

Well said and my thoughts exactly!! I just really love my CZs and I have 5 total.


Gene:rolleyes:

[briang2ad]

The 1911 remains as it's most popular configuration in the STANDARD slide/frame, which you can accessorize and customize endlessly. The CZ has FEW accesssories and customization options, and CZ-USA doesn't seem to have the vision to gain marketshare to get to that level. The EAA Witness line is a bit more geared for that, but is really quite different - grips, mags, levers, hammers, etc. All the clones are VERY different - not much in interchangeable parts, etc.

CZs are more popular now, but are not the 'modern 1911' - that would have to go to the Glock - which I think feels like a brick, but is the most customized and accesorized pistol next to the 1911 - at least from what I see out there at stores and shows.

[Chui]

Me thinks the next 1911 will soon be be recognized as the S&W M&P... and that's assuming ANY of the modern pistols hold a candle to a well-done 1911. :D

[Rob96]

There is no replacement for the 1911.

[Pilot]

Problem with CZ 75s is that there are a significant number of folks who cant shoot them because of the trigger reach, including myself.

I have large hands with long fingers so this is not a problem. However, you can overcome the trigger reach issue by carrying the CZ-75 cocked and locked.

[bluebelton]

Isn't the cz a derivative of the browning hipower. I know there are some differences but its more or less a clone also....

[auto45]

Except in the shooting sports, I don't think another metal framed 9mm can impact the market much. Plastic seems to be the "way".

[Alnamvet]

maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but CZ's look like Beretta/Taurus' M-9's

[BlondieStomp]

Isn't the cz a derivative of the browning hipower?

No. Significant differences. slide rides inside frame DOUBLE ACTION etc

CZ's look like Beretta/Taurus' M-9's

it's a totally different design ie locking system, frame, slide, trigger, safety

[SIGLOCKAUR]

The CZ is a modern classic. It is rugged, reliable, great ergonomics, target gun accurate. This will p.o. alot of 1911 folks but CZ's almost always work out of the box. 1911's often don't. The CZ offers you the advantage of cocked and locked or SA/DA. The trigger on mine is excellent. Ergo's are excellent. Very slim slide. Tough steel/polycoat finish. In many ways a superior design to the 1911. Yes I know this is blasphemy to some. But CZ's will keep shooting long after most 1911's plunger tubes have come off, extractors have lost tension, mag/recoil springs need replacing, and so on..
If you want a .45 try thr CZ97. It's basically a 75 on steroids and man will they shoot. Yes they are big. So are full sized 1911's. The CZ won't replace the 1911. But along with the Mauser Broomhandle, Luger, 1911, Hi Power, and Glock 17 it is a classic in it's own right.

[Rob96]

This will p.o. alot of 1911 folks but CZ's almost always work out of the box. 1911's often don't.

Lets see, out of 2 Colts, and 2 Springfields, all functioned flawlessly. The CZ-75 I had would begin to jam after about 75 rounds, and forget about using 147gr ammo,wouldn't feed it.

Ergo's are excellent. Very slim slide.

For some the thumb safety is hard to hit and becasue of the slide, clearance drills can be difficult.

[LUPUS]

Rob, I have to admit that one the main complaints I do have with CZs is their very tiny slide racking area, but fortunately I do not have to use it except for the first round chambering.
Best.

[quickcanary]

Lets see, out of 2 Colts, and 2 Springfields, all functioned flawlessly. The CZ-75 I had would begin to jam after about 75 rounds, and forget about using 147gr ammo,wouldn't feed it.

I'm not going to try to compare the reliability of a 1911 to that of a CZ, but I can say with certainty that I don't see many complaints from CZ owners. I've seen many more feed problems with 1911s discussed on the forums. That may be due to a greater number of people owning 1911s, but like I said CZ complaints are comparatively rare and IIRC the 75 underwent some fairly extensive torture/combat testing which makes me think your particular CZ might be an exception to the rule. I put quite a few rounds through a RIA 1911 and consistently couldn't get through a full mag without a FTF, but because I know better I didn't let that experience make me think that every 1911 is that way...just like all CZs don't turn into jam-o-matics after 75 rounds. ;)

[Huntergirl]

I don't think that the 1911 can be replaced. But if you're talking about pistols that everyday type people own, CZ75 would probably be one of them. The XD line and MP line are also affordable reliable pistols of the semi auto flavor.
I think large majority of folks have revolvers though. For the record, all my 1911's and CZ's have worked great out of the box.