View Full Version : Rashes & Cleaning Guns???
HKguy9
August 24, 2002, 01:24 AM
I'm really itchy right now...was cleaning my Beretta earlier today.
I got rashes one time before (but not every time) after cleaning other guns.
Is this a coincidence, can people be allergic to some gun cleaning stuff?
I used:
Hoppe's #9
A few drops of Breakfree CLP
Some hospital rags with blue loops around them
Small shotgun & pistol cotton patches
Or am I just allergic to Berettas?
Didn't eat anything unusual or change laundry detergent brands recently.
croyance
August 24, 2002, 02:51 AM
Bakers become allergic to flour, so why not Hoppes? From the smell of any gun cleaning fluid, I would guess that nothing in them is actually good for you.
The rashes only happened once?
OTOH how complete was the cleaning of your Beretta after it's outhouse experience?
C.R.Sam
August 24, 2002, 03:26 AM
People can be allergic to anything.
And sometimes not consistantly.
Sam
IanS
August 24, 2002, 04:04 AM
Try using MPro7, its like soap for your gun. It works just as good as Hoppe's without the harsh chemical qualities. I don't miss using Hoppe's at all. I can smell it on my hands going into the next day.:barf:
But I do keep a bottle of it handy. I just wouldn't be a proper gun owner without one.:D
HKguy9
August 24, 2002, 04:27 AM
Oh yeah I used that too...maybe I'm alergic to MPRO7?
Hkmp5sd
August 24, 2002, 05:39 AM
Put a drop of each on different parts of your body and see what turns red and itches. :)
Of course, it could be from a mixture of the listed ingredients that caused the problem.
hansolo
August 24, 2002, 09:18 AM
Skunkabilly....
With all the mud, guts and bar-B-que sauce, I wouldn't worry about a little Hoppes #9 :D
Ledbetter
August 24, 2002, 10:35 AM
as well as seeping into you.
I usually save up two or three guns and clean them all at once wearing nitrile (not latex) gloves, like mechanic's gloves from the auto parts store, where I get my brake cleaner.
fed168
August 24, 2002, 11:32 AM
I second the glove notion. I wear them now since solvents like to dry out my hands, plus it is easier to wash off sweat than chemicals.
CWL
August 24, 2002, 11:38 AM
Yup with the gloves.
HKguy9
August 24, 2002, 12:21 PM
Funny this is my hands were OK but I was getting rashes on my body...maybe some of the black crap got on me when I pulled the barrel brush out?
My hands almost always dry out between my fingers a day after I clean. Last time I used latex (?) gloves, I dunno it just didn't feel right I thought the allergies were from THAT....
Jim March
August 24, 2002, 03:48 PM
But it's a TACTICAL rash!!!
:D
HKguy9
August 24, 2002, 04:00 PM
No, Jim, it's red, not black. As for tactical rashes, has leprousy come back? ;)
I'm fine today though, last time it lasted several days...
freeride21a
August 24, 2002, 04:57 PM
mpro7 caused a rash on a co-workers wrist...he had it for a long time, but he had used mpro7 for a while before the rash developed
it did not bother me at all, and i liked it...but id place my bet on mpro7
BPNovum
August 25, 2002, 12:13 AM
For those having problems with reactions to harsh chemicals, our product is non-toxic. We have had zero notices from customers of any skin reaction to using our product. We have tried to put together an effective tool for cleaning your guns that will not hurt the most important part of the gun-human relationship. That being the human! I hope this information is helpful.
freeride21a
August 25, 2002, 02:56 AM
just because its non toxic does not mean it's hypo-allergenic.(does not cause allergic reacitons)...peanuts are non-toxic, but can kill people with allergies against them.
i personally love the stuff and would reccomend it!
45King
August 25, 2002, 08:22 AM
Well, I don't have rashes or any other allergic reaction to any of the solvents/oils/chemicals etc., used in cleaning guns, or for that matter, no reactions to gunpowder, brass, or copper. So I guess I'm lucky.
If one is allergic to these things, then I can understand the following sentiment, but as for me, I LOVE the smell:
Ian11 wrote:I don't miss using Hoppe's at all. I can smell it on my hands going into the next day. :barf:
The only thing I don't like about it is that a trained nose can detect that you're carrying....
Mike Irwin
August 25, 2002, 12:16 PM
Are your hands itching, or other parts of you that didn't contact the solvents?
Yes, it's very possible that you're allergic to something in the cleaning kit.
It's also possible that you're allergic to primer or powder residue. Do you ever itch after shooting?
My guess would be if it's just your hands it's a contact dermatitis caused by the Hoppes.
Try using gloves (nitrile, as latex will just dissolve) or get a barrier cream (one product is called, I think, Invisible Glove), at an auto parts store.
HKguy9
August 25, 2002, 02:10 PM
No, don't itch after shooting, just after cleaning...not every time, only happened twice, too :confused:
Will try gloves again...maybe I'll use the dishwashing/housecleaning gloves, or will the gun scrubber melt thru it?
HSMITH
August 25, 2002, 05:07 PM
When I was in the service I ran into several people that were allergic to CLP. Eliminate one component at a time till you find out what it is. You may try putting a tiny drop of each one on your skin, one at a time, and see if you can trigger a reaction. The inside of your forearm is pretty tender skin and should react easily.
Libertarian
August 25, 2002, 05:09 PM
I'm the other way around Skunkabilly. I get a rash when I don't clean my weapons after shooting them.
CWL
August 25, 2002, 05:41 PM
Skunkabilly, some people are actually alergic to latex gloves. You may be one of them.
Suggest you try to find non-latex gloves, which are available in medical supply houses or from Fry's Electronics.
Mike Irwin
August 25, 2002, 08:26 PM
Yes, I think gun cleaners will melt, albeit more slowly, dishwashing gloves.
The fact that you're itching elsewhere, but not on your hands, is interesting.
To me it sounds like you may actually be reacting to something else....
hansolo
August 25, 2002, 08:32 PM
This guy, Skunkabilly, sure is getting a lot of attention just 'cause he's got a rash...now, if his pe*er fell off or one of his eyeballs exploded I could understand. Try cleaning your weapons with barbeque sauce. I feel like Roseann Roseanna Danna:p
(only joking...I'm sure Skunkabilly must have some heavy-duty aura or something going on.
Libertarian
August 25, 2002, 10:40 PM
if his pe*er fell off or one of his eyeballs exploded I could understand.OMG! ROTFLMAO! Thank you.
sinecure
August 25, 2002, 11:38 PM
I've heard that Hoppe's changed their formula several years ago, deleting the nitrobenzine [the "Nitro" in "Nitro-solvent."] It was a good thing, IMO.
I've been a user of Hoppe's #9 for the past 45 years. Practically bathed in the stuff for 25 of those years as a departmental armorer and rangemaster.
Last year I was diagnosed with kidney cancer. Had a kidney, adrenal gland, several lymph nodes and a whole bunch of other tissue removed. Been getting along OK for now, but this stuff is expected to recur.
I had to retire and my portion of the medical costs [after insurance] has been substiantial. I'm currently going through the Workmen's Compensation courts here in California. I've found that contact with nitrobenzine is a "presumptive" cause of kidney cancer. I still have several bottles of the old Hoppe's with the labels that list nitrobenzine as the #1 ingredient.
I still love the smell of the "old" Hoppe's... but I don't use anything on my personal firearms but the non-toxic stuff these days, and even then I do it outside in the breeze.
You guys be real careful with that stuff.
BPNovum
August 26, 2002, 07:45 AM
If you will send me your mailing address I will send you a free sample to try out. Hopefully we can get you set up with a cleaner that will not make you itch.
Firepower
August 26, 2002, 10:22 AM
Hey Sinecure,
Well, we go one (or two) steps further in this scenario.
Not only will we provide the shooters with the absolutely best, Cleaner, Lubricant, and Preservative that can be found today, in the process, I gave it a few desireable characteristics that include:
1. Non-Toxic, non-mutagenic, non-irritating
2. Cinnamon fragrance or aroma (Cinnamon is in the laurel family and is not offensive to wild game or spouses, whereas petroleum and synthetic smelling fluids will offend game that has not been exposed to it {as deer around farm machinery have} in more remote regions) and completely offends all known variations of spouses. :D
3. A Defense Logistics Agency rating and listing as "environmentally friendly" ( http://www.dscr.dla.mil/products/epa/n10.htm )
Of course, we provide you with a no-risk offer which is a free, retail size "shooters bag" bottle with applicator cap so that you may compare the FP-10 to anything you have (and we pick up the shipping to your door!) Another way of saying "Put your product where your mouth is"....and I do!
You can get it here: http://www.fp10.com
scroll down the page a bit, and there you will see the FREE offer. Click on the email, include your name and address, and withing a few days, the UPS brown truck of happiness will bring it to your door.
How's that, Sinicure ... want to give it a go? (of course you do ;) )
Best regards,
George
Hemicuda
August 26, 2002, 10:32 AM
How "non-toxic" is your stuff?
Rem-oil, Hoppes, CLP, and MANY other gun products give me rashes... (particularly if I splash or splatter it on tissue softer than my hand... like forearms and whatnot...)
I still use them... (without gloves) but I wash my hands VERY regularly during use... (like every 5 minutes)
if your product would allow me to wait until I was done with cleaning a gun until I had to wash up, I'd QUICKLY become your #1 advertiser... (tell anyone who listened...)
I have see your other posts... and never thought twice... until you brought this up...
My local dealer doesn't have your product either, or i'd go buy some and try it right now...
Zahnster
August 26, 2002, 03:25 PM
Fry's Electronics
Home away from Home. You can buy just about anything there except guns.
Firepower
August 26, 2002, 04:08 PM
Hemi,
How "non-toxic" is your stuff?
"non" = not
"toxic" = partaining to poison; poisonous
I think that about covers it.
What you have is commonly described as a dermatological sensitivity to hydrocarbons, "contact dermatitis", which occurrs in 1 out of every 30-40 Americans. It has nothing to do with toxicity. It has everything to do with sensitivity and some allergies. You are, unfortunately, one of these individuals.
Check this out, as it's pretty concise in the scope of things.
http://www.quickcare.org/skin/rashes.html
I cannot tell you how you will react to the FP-10, as in these cases, it is an individual concern. However, I have never yet had a complaint, since 1988, about the FP-10 causing irritation, but then again, most folks who have this condition realize that it is them and not the product that makes it so. Rest assured, there is always a first time, but if that occurs, it's good to be informed and know that there are no toxins or poisons in the FP-10 and it is non-irritating to the mass majority of the public.
You can always see for yourself Hemicuda...www.fp10.com, center page, click on the email, take the FP-10 Challenge.
Best regards,
George
"The truth is out there!"
BPNovum
August 26, 2002, 06:43 PM
Hello Hemicuda,
I got your package out in the mail to you today. I hope you have it by the weekend. As I mentioned, we have never had anyone respond with any type of skin irratation from using our Blue Wonder Gun Cleaner. But I guess there could be a first. My hope is you will find it will not cause a reaction and will be a good cleaner for your use!
Here is a link to the instructions page for using the cleaner:
http://www.novumsolutions.com/BlueWonderGunCleanerInstructions.html
I am very sorry it is not available locally for you. Our sales team is planning a trip to Michigan in the near future. I will make sure they hit the stores you mentioned to me. We are headed to SoCal in a couple of weeks if anyone has a store they would like to be sure we contact, let me know.
As for the question of "How Non-Toxic" is it? Our product has a NFPA rating of 1. If taken internally it could cause some minor stomach irratation. So, please don't eat or drink it. But as for contact with skin it has no problems listed.
Please let me know if I can provide you with any additional information.
Hemicuda
August 26, 2002, 08:37 PM
weird thing is, used motor oil, gasoline, and fuel grade alcohol (I am a race-car crew chief on weekends) don't effect me... neither does anti-freeze, brake fluid, or ANY automotive chemicals... (some detailing cleaners do)
so, it CAN'T be hydrocarbons, as used motor oil is FULL of those...
it is far LESS prevalent, and less "agressive" a rash with CLP and Rem-oil, than it is with Hoppes... but still present....
I do NOT deny it is a reaction on the part of MY body... I'm just looking for something that MY BODY is less reactive with...
If BPNovums product is it, GREAT... ALL my guns (except the muzzleloader, which gets TC cleaner and TC bore butter) will get Blue Wonder...
if it works well, and is not TOO toxic on my skin, I'll use it anyway... (gotta clean the guns no matter what!)
I also ordered a sample from Sinecure's post... if that works, I'll use that... if they BOTH work, well then I DO have alotta guns, and they all like to be clean... (or I like them all to be clean) so I'll buy BOTH products... and use them BOTH...
I know it is my body chemistry... but I'm HOPING to find something that works on the guns, but does NOT "work on" me!
sinecure
August 27, 2002, 01:53 AM
I gotta admit, Firepower, you can't get any more fair than your free [including shipping and handling!] sample offer.
I'll give it a fair test and we'll see how it works.
Thanks again.
Firepower
August 27, 2002, 03:57 AM
Go for it, Sinecure...I think you'll be impressed :D
Best regards,
George
Baron Holbach
August 27, 2002, 04:30 AM
Hoppes #9 contains toxic agents. Avoid inhaling its fumes. Be sure to work in a well ventilated area and wear rubber gloves.
MLH
August 27, 2002, 11:00 AM
Be careful of some gloves that have powder in them to keep your hands dry. I found that the powder caused a reaction. Allergies are funny things. You can go years without being allergic to something then all of a sudden BANG:eek: out pops the hives. Bees were the thing for me. When I was a kid all they did hurt when they stung. Now I swell up like a blimp and go into shock when certain kinds sting me. Hafta carry an Epipen with me.:( So even if you have been using something for years don't think it might not be it or a combo of things.
Cosmoline
August 28, 2002, 12:02 AM
This stuff is no joke! I'm not entirely sure which cleaning compound did it to me, but after one messy session my hands had a massive reaction. They turned red and itchy, had blisters all over, and eventually several layers of skin just peeled off. Now I've got new skin on my hands, but it's still very red and sensitive. Hot water causes it to burn, just like a baby's skin. It's not just uncomfortable, it's weird.
I'd like to try the patch test, but there's no way I'm risking having this happen again! I've been using gloves and avoiding the harsher bore cleaners since then.
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