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Old December 20, 2002, 12:50 AM   #1
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I just found the answer to .45 vs 9mm!

<Flame suit on>
It's called a .40S&W!

Why the .45ACP is good:

~Big hole makes for deader bad guys.

Why the .45ACP sucks:

~Expensive
~Not a good package for CCW. Low-cap in a CCW package usually. This means your CCW and Main sidearm might be two different calibers. Very inefficient.

Why the 9mm is good:

~It's more prolific then Barny the purple dinosaur.
~NATO uses it
~Cheap to shoot
~High Velocity compared to .45ACP, speed kills
~Fits great in a ccw, a lot of rounds in a fairly compact size.

Why the 9mm is bad:

~Smaller hole
~Not enough energy


Alternative, .40S&W:

~ Almost the same size as a 9mm
~ use it for CCW or main sidearm round, same round double duty
~ More energy delivered then a 9mm
~ More velocity then a .45ACP
~ Almost as cheap to shoot as 9mm
~ More mass then the 9mm

It's the perfect solution to the .45 vs 9mm debate.

<Second Flame suit on!> Ready for the replies!
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Old December 20, 2002, 12:54 AM   #2
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To quote from Blazing Saddles...

"We will now read from Matthew, Mark, Luke and DUCK!"

BOOM!
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Old December 20, 2002, 12:59 AM   #3
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Let's see, my USP 45 holds 10 rounds & my buddy's USP 40 holds 10 rounds...tie
Big hole translates to lots of soft tissue damage...bad guy loses
Don't really like shooting the 40 S&W...
REALLY like shooting the 45 acp & the 9mm
Reload the 45 acp = also cheap to shoot!
Perfect solution??? Don't think one exists
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Old December 20, 2002, 01:58 AM   #4
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You found the answer, but it doesn't fit the question.

BTW, what was the question...?
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Old December 20, 2002, 02:34 AM   #5
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Deader?
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Old December 20, 2002, 02:34 AM   #6
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There is no spoon! Oh, ooops... Wrong answer..

I don't know what the question really is, as it's always a subjective question like which is BETTER the .45 or 9mm? Better is so vague..
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Old December 20, 2002, 02:37 AM   #7
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I thought it was rather simple. The answer is 10mm!
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Old December 20, 2002, 02:43 AM   #8
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The .40 S&W. It's either:

1. The ideal compromise. Makes both the .45 ACP and the 9mm obsolete.

or:

2. A jack of all trades, master of none.

You decide. In the meantime I'll go clean one of my .45 ACP's again.
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Old December 20, 2002, 03:35 AM   #9
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When did the .45 become that much more expensive to shoot than the .40? At best $10 per case comparing the same brand and model of ball practice ammo?

Hum, maybe I'm crazy, but $0.01 per round isn't that much more "expensive" to me. I'd pay a heck of a lot more than that for the comfort level of knowing that I've got eight of my little friends in the mag.

But, that's just my opinion.

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Old December 20, 2002, 04:16 AM   #10
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"I just found the answer..."

Bwahahahahahahahaha... cute tho'.
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Old December 20, 2002, 04:38 AM   #11
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I just asked my friend's dad this question, and he answerd "308Win... I'm sorry, what was the question again?"
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Old December 20, 2002, 06:09 AM   #12
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.45 vs 9mm

My answer would be to carry one of each.


or what bastiat said.
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Old December 20, 2002, 06:33 AM   #13
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Answer!!
Do like I am gunna do and convert my Glock 29 to .40 S&W!!
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Old December 20, 2002, 08:39 AM   #14
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40 S&W's are for people who are ashamed to be seen carrying a 9mm,But don't have what it takes to carry a .45...Col.Jeff Cooper
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Old December 20, 2002, 09:54 AM   #15
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Hmmm...

Wrong answer!

Still, the 9mm rules!!!

For me at least...
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Old December 20, 2002, 09:59 AM   #16
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It amazes me seeing folks get this worked up over rounds that are about as different as, say, a Dodge Neon from a Chrysler Neon. "But, but, this one comes with gray velour trim on the seats!"

I'll only carry guns chambered in .25, .32, .32 Mag, .38 Spl, 9mm, .357 Mag, .40, 10mm, .41 Mag, .44 Spl, .44 Mag, or .45 ACP... unless I buy a carry gun in a different caliber, in which case I'd carry it, too.
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Old December 20, 2002, 10:23 AM   #17
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The answer is have both 9mm and 45. Ten 45s and one 9mm (that never leaves the safe.) Watch-Six
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My conscience forces me to admit: I don't own ten 1911s (yet), and I am carrying a Kahr PM9 at this minute.
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Old December 20, 2002, 10:30 AM   #18
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I'll only carry guns chambered in .25, .32, .32 Mag, .38 Spl, 9mm, .357 Mag, .40, 10mm, .41 Mag, .44 Spl, .44 Mag, or .45 ACP... unless I buy a carry gun in a different caliber, in which case I'd carry it, too.
Hope you have sturdy belt & suspenders to carry all those guns...
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Old December 20, 2002, 10:44 AM   #19
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denfoote,

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Answer!!
Do like I am gunna do and convert my Glock 29 to .40 S&W!!
What are you gonna do for an encore? Take the turbocharger off your car? Take the top five gears off your bicycle?
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Old December 20, 2002, 10:45 AM   #20
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I just found the answer....

Comparing .45 and 9mm is comparing apples and oranges.

If you can't hit what you are aiming at with 6-7 rounds, in an extremely tense and difficult situation, is scattering more bullets than this the answer?

Where are all the bullets going that aren't hitting your bad guy? How many others are dead or wounded because 10 rounds were fired and one was a kill shot.

"High Velocity compared to .45ACP, speed kills"
Speed kills only when driving recklessly.

The real answer is how do you get out of ANY situation without any shots fired? OR, how do you make all the shots you take good ones, to stop the threat?

I'll try to find you the site that has an article about the BEST gun and the BEST load for that all important kill shot. I believe the author's answer was that there isn't just ONE.
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Old December 20, 2002, 11:25 AM   #21
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If you can't hit what you are aiming at with 6-7 rounds, in an extremely tense and difficult situation
My problem is getting the muzzle on target from concealment "fast enough" to start with launching bullet #1.

My CCW "mindset" is that I'll be covered by the BG's gun while he's warily and anxioiusly trying to keep the whole scene, me included, in view. I've got to smoothly, stealthily, and unobtrusively get my gun out and on him in an opportune split second that he's not thinking about me.

I just can't do that with any .45 I've tried out or have. I can do it under some dress conditions with a small 9mm, and under all dress conditions with a .32 mouser. Maybe when the Rohrbaugh 9R gets into my hand, it'll end up in my pocket as a 9mm mouser, but there doesn't seem to be a .45 candidate that fits my SD mindset.

All that said, what good is a RPG-7 or .45 to me that I can't get on target in a reasonable time to beat the BG's reactions to my St. Vitus dance drawing my weapon? So, my answer is the fastest launcher to get a bullet on target, and it's not a .45.

As for pleasure or unpressured shooting, the .45 and 9mm are twins, but since it's possible that a 9mm mouser would fit MY bill, 9mm has the edge.
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Old December 20, 2002, 11:36 AM   #22
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.45 ACP is great, 9 mm is also great

I like both thanks, I use the .45 as my primary full size .45 1911. and I will use my G-26 9mm as back up.

Or the .45 in my right hand and the 9mm in my left.

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Old December 20, 2002, 01:29 PM   #23
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40 S&W's are for people who are ashamed to be seen carrying a 9mm,But don't have what it takes to carry a .45...Col.Jeff Cooper

Nice answer. I like it


9mm vs .40 vs. 45ACP
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Why the 9mm is bad:
~Smaller hole
~Not enough energy
Ever heard of 9MM +P+ in 147 grain. Shot placement is what counts.

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Why the .45ACP sucks:
~Expensive
~Not a good package for CCW. Low-cap in a CCW package usually. This means your CCW and Main sidearm might be two different calibers. Very inefficient.
Talk to Tacoma PD and LAPD SWAT who carry 1911 sidearms. Though they are not CCW. It makes for an effective package even with a "low cap".

Need Higer capacity .45ACP try Glock or Kimber. They make some of the smallest 45's around with higher capacity.

The preicdent for your arguements are written poorly IMHO, I have read more objective reasoning, but I do understand what it is that your coming across. I respect your belief system as I have shot and am profiecient in various calibers.

Do they make peer reviewed research for ballistics? hehehe Even so people would still have a perference for a particular round.

For the record I would be happy with any of the three calibers if I needed a side arm. Individuals have to be good and comfortable with the round they decide to carry.

With an attorney attached to every bullet that leaves the gun, god forbid 1 leaving the gun hitting the target is better then 15 misses.

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Old December 20, 2002, 01:44 PM   #24
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Oh, I had thought the answer was going to be a .58 caliber pistol with a 3 shot mag.

You know, bigger is better and capacity meaningless.
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Old December 20, 2002, 02:09 PM   #25
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I kinda got the impression this was a humorous thread... some of you folks APPEAR to be taking this waaay to seriously.

I'm quite amused sometimes by the level of sheer hatred some of you guys have for the .40...

On a slightly serious note... Regardless of the overall small size and carry-ability, I just don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about a 230gr. bullet that normally has an 850fps velocity from a 5" barrel spitting itself out of a 3" barrel. I do love the .45, but I'll keep it in my full sized USP thanks. When talking shorty-short barrels, I'm much happier with a 155gr. bullet with an 1100fps velocity from a 4" barrel ejecting itself from a platform only 1" shorter. (just my

But my favorite part about the 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45 is... we have the RIGHT to own, carry, shoot, and argue about any of these calibers! as I love to point out... Everybody's got a right to an opinion, and freedom of choice and all that, so if you choose to protect yourself by carrying a .45 stubby, GOD [color=sky blue]BLESS[/color] AMERICA!

Merry Christmas TFL!
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