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Old December 31, 2006, 08:08 PM   #26
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I live just down the road from AMMOMAN and have had nothing but good experiences with them. His prices are even better when you don't need to pay shipping.
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Old January 1, 2007, 11:32 AM   #27
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"No doubt Ammoman is great"

Only if you never have a problem

As soon as there is any problem...no matter whose fault it is..

Eric goes ballistic...he will be rude, abusive and nasty....

There are plenty of examples of this
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Old January 26, 2007, 11:49 PM   #28
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Why Buy From Anyone Except Bestshot??

If you want quality ammo at a price that CANNOT be beat anywhere with service that is unbeatable go to www.bulkammo.com. I just purchased 1000 rounds of FMJ 115 G 9mm rounds for $120.00 SHIPPED! Great people and they have been in business for over 27 years servicing the US army and others! They carry many other calibers of ammo and I would not go anywhere else, WHY WOULD I??
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Old January 27, 2007, 09:09 AM   #29
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this guy sounds like a troll if I ever seen one.
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Old January 27, 2007, 01:45 PM   #30
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They carry many other calibers of ammo and I would not go anywhere else, WHY WOULD I??
Umm.... because some people don't like "remanufactured" ammo?
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Old February 27, 2007, 01:26 PM   #31
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the ammoman is a jerk

I am going around the Internet to voice my experience to save you the aggravation. I see many of you have had bad experiences with eric at ammoman.com, some worse than mine. He screwed up the shipping and would not change it unless I paid again with a money order. He basically accused me of being a thief even though I have ordered from him in the past. SO I told him to send it to the billing address and when I told him I was unhappy with his service he told me to screw off and banned me from using his site. I complained to the BBB but thats about all I can do other than complain on all the boards. For the couple of dollars you save per case its easier and frustration free to go anywhere else online.
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Old September 27, 2007, 04:08 PM   #32
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Serios reservations about ammoman.com

This is still not over
(Sep 11) Ordered a Walther P1.
(few days later) - Asked my FFL to fax him a license.
(Sep 17) Get email from them - fax not legible.... ok
(Sep 19 - Wed) Fax again from work
(Email asking if fax ok, when shipping, tracking # ?
(Sep 20 Thursday) - email from ammoman - fax ok, shipping MONDAY

not what I am used to when buying stuff online, but ok...

(Sep 26) - email asking where is the thing, tracking etc.
(Sep 27) - nothing, call them up he says "THEY are closed - we are on eastern time" and before I finish the sentence saying its only 1pm here - he hangs up.

*** - is he so f..ng important/busy/rich/rude that will not even speak with a customer for 10 more seconds ?

I have a vague suspicion, not so vague at this point, that he does not have the item (Walther p1) ... and is simply stalling in a most impolite manner I have ever seen.

The story is not over yet.

I will update on the progress, one way or the other I am not happy with the "service".
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Old September 27, 2007, 06:36 PM   #33
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My ammoman deal

Hello, I had a deal with ammoman go very bad a while back.
I posted the whole story from start to finish. I got some flack about that.
But I sware every single detail on my "boxcar" Ammoman deal is true.
Ya he has some friends that bashed me, so what.

I had absolutely NOTHING to gain by making that whole deal up.
It took me a very long time try and warn other gun owners about "Eric",
the owner of ammoman. I can also say if I made that up he would have tried to sue me. But when it was over he knew I had all the email's, paper work,
pictures and UPS documents to back it up. That was a long time ago.
but it's worth reading it again. Be careful if you chose to buy anything from him.

Go back and have a look at all my posts "boxcar"-ammoman deal-
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Old September 27, 2007, 06:39 PM   #34
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I thought i'd make it easy to find. so I'm reposting

"Ammoman.com" scam

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A couple weeks ago I bought some .223 ammunition online.
That is how simple it started. It was 1000 rounds of .223
military surplus for $250. The price was right so I jumped on it.

Well the next day I was looking at my bank statement and I was
charged twice $500.00. So I contacted him and he said he would address this issue.
He never did. Then about a week later a package was left on my porch.


UPS left a package on the porch without a signature.
It just so happens it's 500 rounds of 45 A.C.P. So I call UPS
and they say Eric did not say to have it signed for on delivery.
So UPS is just doing there job.

When I spoke to Eric he said I got what I ordered. I sent every single
thing I could to prove him wrong. Now he is mad and will not pay for me to send him back the .45 ammo. And he will not credit my bank account. So he puts in a claim in to UPS. and said he was going to file a claim with the police. That I was scamming him. That's a long story short. He also is blocking my emails and phone calls.
So I can't contact him.

What do you think I should do? He is in New Jersey. If I send him the package back
and he doesn't credit my account. Then he has my $500.00 and I don't have squat.
I can't help but wonder if he did not know what they sent me.
It could be possible he sent my package to anywhere land.

I was pretty sure you had to sign for Ammo. just to prove you got it and you are of age. Had he asked for a signature
the pistol ammo. was NOT what I ordered And just not accepted the package and sent it back.

As of 10/28/2006 VISA has managed to get my money back
I had to prove every single thing. From his P.O. all the way to me sending him back the .45 ammunitionc tracking order.

He claimed to file a police report on this matter. I just wanted you to know my side. I think Eric at ammoman.com should be audited
for having the correct paper work. from what a person buys
online. What kind of ammunition that person was
shipped. If it was recieved and the order was correct. And if the person was of age.

Well after 3 weeks of dealing with this crap I got things straight.
As suggested I went to my bank, UPS,New Jersey police and the
BBB.

It was a bitch providing all the documents I kept from the purchase
through the very end of this mess. After proving to all the people and places that I infact ordered 1000 rounds of .223And I never ordered 2000 rounds. Then I had to prove I never ordered 500 rounds of .45 ACP.

I even used the very same documents he sent me confirming the order.
Bank statments, UPS tracking codes and ALL the emails of ammoman
and myself going back and forth. Including the email block he put me on.

Then I sent him back the .45 ACP I never ordered.
I needed that tracking number from UPS. My credit union got back all
the money and credited my account. I can't tell you how much B.S.
this took. That deal is over!

I can't tell anyone where to shop. But for the record HELL will freeze
over before I deal with Ammoman.com and Eric again.
If you do keep every single thing from start to finish.
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Old September 27, 2007, 06:41 PM   #35
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This is how he tried to handle it with me

ammoman.com "bad ethics"

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I had problems with an order I placed with ammoman.com on the internet.
Everything started out fine.

Then he sent me a box of ammunition via U.P.S.
He did not have U.P.S. sign for the delivery. I ordered 1000 rounds of. 223 rifle ammunition.
He sent 500 rounds of .45 pistol ammunition.

If he would of required a signature, I would of
Simply had it shipped back to Eric.

Eric also charged me twice, I only ordered 1 box. Even his purchase order shows a quantity of 1 box of 1000 rounds of .223. He claimed I got what I ordered, I did not.

Now he said he was going to get the police and UPS involved. And accuses me of a scam.

This is a long collection of the emails sent back and forth from the beginning to 10/21/2006.
So I've sent the following emails for proof
of this messed up deal.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, I do appreciate it

Dan

223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP 223
62 GRAIN - STEEL PENETRATOR - PACKED LOOSE
1000 RDS. PER CASE

UNITED STATES GOVT. ISSUE
BRAND NEW AMMO

SINCE THIS AMMO IS PACKED LOOSE
THE DATES MAY VARY - ALL DATES IN THE 2000's

FREE SHIPPING
Part Number #223-GTSS109GT-1000
$249-1000 Rounds.


PRINT THIS FOR YOUR RECORDS!

This is your CONFIRMATION COPY of your order at AMMOMAN.COM, If you see any errors please e-mail eric@ammoman.com IMMEDIATELY with the problem or feel free to call us at the numbers listed on the website

Once again Thank You for your ORDER..
Eric, John, Rob, Casey, Tyler, Steven, & Bambi
(The AMMOMAN TEAM)

Order Number : 8966
Placed : 10/04/2006 19:17:36 Eastern Daylight Time

US US

Code Name Quantity 1 Price/Ea. Total
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223-GTSS109GT-10001000-223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP SP 1 $249.00
Shipping: FREE SHIPPING: $0.00
Sales Tax: $0.00
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Total: $249.00


I took a picture of what I got from ammoman, when I received it from UPS. Eric would not believe they sent me
500 rounds of .45 pistol ammunition. The best way to prove him wrong was to take a picture of it. He even admits it. When I first got the package he did not believe me, that is why it took 6 days. Eric finally realized I was
telling him the truth.

Email from Eric to me.

Take a picture and show us what you got with the label from us on it.
We don't believe you after 6 days of saying you never got anything.
Now tell us how you can't take a picture.
Your scams are anticipated.We are one step ahead of you and all because you claimed for 6 days to have received nothing.
Who can believe you now???????????????



Hotmail acct?
Restricted phone number?
Didn't get a thing until we called the police and now you claim it was a case of 45, you received instead?
We are starting to wonder about this scam.

----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: returning Ammo I did NOT order

This is great.
We finally after 6 days got you to admit you even got what you ordered.
That's A STEP UP FROM THE SCAM THAT YOU NEVER GOT THE PACKAGE.


----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: returning Ammo I did NOT order

Email from Eric to me.
You got what you ordered. I ordered 223-GTSS109GT-10001000-223 LAKE CITY SS109 GREEN TIP SP 1 $249.00, I called UPS and the Police also.

Email from me to Eric.
I DID NOT ORDER .45 A.C.P

----- Original Message -----
From: AMMOMAN.COM
To: Dan
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: LAST E-MAIL AND YOU ARE NOW BLOCKED (E-MAIL ALL YOU WANT TO OUR BLOCKED FILE)
ERIC@AMMOMAN.COM

This is my point of view on the simple deal that
went very bad.
Dan

Eric does not do business professionally.
I wanted 1000 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition.
He sent me 500 rounds of .45 ACP. pistol ammunition.

Then he is trying to charge me twice for the original of .223 that I never received.

He can't prove he sent me what I ordered 1000 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition.

I want NOTHING MORE TO DO WITH HIM!

I spoke to UPS and in order for me to send the .45 A.C.P. back
to Eric I need a return authorization number. He would not give me.

UPS said Eric didn't require UPS to get a signature for it.
I do NOT need to pay to have it sent back to you. I need an authorization number
from you Eric!
I never ordered .45 ACP and Eric can't prove That I did.

Eric never sent ANY .223 ammunition and can't prove that he did.

I don't know if Eric even knew what he sent me, and Where he sent it.

My view of the scam he accused me of.
Dan.

In my opinion- people order ammunition off his website Ammoman.com
Then he charges them 2 times. Then he sends whatever he wants to the customer.

After he gets his money. The customer calls and complains about the double charges.
He claims he will fix it, he don't.

Then the customer calls and complains.
Not only did Eric send the wrong ammunition it was only 500 rounds.

Then he threatens the buyer with police reports, and UPS reports.
Claiming he can make it so UPS will not deliver to me again.

At that point UPS is at fault or I'm running a scam "In Eric's mind".
Next he accuses me of a scam.

For this scam to work.
I would have to order 1 box of 1000 rounds of .223 rifle rounds. Hoping to get charged twice?

Hoping that I get something I did not order or want. I have nothing to gain by doing this.

To top it off it was only 500 rounds of Wolf .45 A.C.P pistol ammunition. For a dollar a round! Why would I run a scam like that?

So Eric at ammoman would get my $498.00, and I would end up with
$100.00 worth of ammunition? That would make NO sense at all...

Email from me to Eric.

I see no need for your attitude. Take a second and look at this from my point of view.
I'd like to see the purchase I made and your people screwed up simply fixed.

And I do stress your people screwed up. Please deal with me in a professional manner and respond. If you don't I'll just wait for the police and cancel the 2 transactions of $248.00.
I did not want it to come to this, the choice is yours ERIC.


I can't believe this is not US mail fraud. Or legal for that matter. I want my fellow firearm owners to know something.
I'm not trying to change a law about signing for ammunition.

I feel very strongly about laws that slowly chip away at "the right to bear arms" away from law abiding people.

For example the bayonet lug law.
I don't believe that law was put into place because of too many
drive by bayoneting. It was simply one more law that made it
more of a pain.

If laws like that were to continue. Slowly but surely our right to bear arms
would be in jeopardy.

I don't want that...
I just feel that Eric (ammoman.com)
uses this as a way to place the blame for his mistakes,
and crapy way of doing business on the customer.
Eric tells me the customer you got what you ordered!!!

And claiming the customer (me) in this case, for running a scam.
I have stated that this so called "scam" of mine would only work in Eric's favor.

Just a coincidence! I don't think so.
It gives Eric at ammoman a way to send what ever he wants
to. Even if it's NOT what he advertises. That is usually in Eric's favor.
When confronted by the customer. He will threaten you with police reports. He even told me he would file a report with UPS.
And then UPS would never deliver to me again.

That my friends is a powerful scare tactic of Eric's.
I'm sure a majority of the people simply think "it's just not worth it"
So he gets away with it. And some poor customer gets burned.

I just want future customers to use caution when purchasing
from him. I wish I would have seen something like this posted
when I bought from him. I would not have taken the chance.

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Old September 28, 2007, 02:49 AM   #36
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Y'know, Boxcar, we get the point.

7/24: I ordered 500 rounds of Federal .38 Special +P LSWC-HP from Ammoman via his website late one night.

7/25: The next day, my credit card was debited for the correct amount and I received a verification email. The next day, I received a "UPS tracking number" from "quantumview" (a UPS tracking system name). So far so good.

Over the next few days the UPS tracking data didn't change.
8/3: Emailed them, asking if the order shipped. I get an email saying "backordered at this time" but no ETA. Offered a refund in the meantime. I emailed back asking if they had the plain LSWC in stock which was $10 cheaper. They said they did and I confirmed they could ship that instead and issue a credit for $10 to my VISA.

8/11: Product arrived but no credit to my VISA card. Opened the box and found two $5 bills in the box.

Opinion: I do not like doing business with companies that "kite" my money while waiting for products to arrive. Instead of informing the customer that the product was sold out & on backorder, you have to contact them to discover this fact. By now your VISA may have had a charge on it that increased the interest you pay on the balance. Plus, if Ammoman is managing their cash, they're floating your money and getting interest on it until they pay their bills.

Sorry, I won't deal with Ammoman again if I can avoid it. There are too many other businesses out there who want by patronage and my money and are more professional.
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Old October 1, 2007, 04:31 PM   #37
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RE: Serios reservations about ammoman.com - conclusion

well...
my 'benefit of the doubt' was misplaced with this guy.

the piece has not been shipped - in over a week, and thats after the final email and all the preceding "your FFL fax is not legible - mail it (snail mail)"

no email reply came...

So today (Monday) I call him up
Me (keeping very calm) - Hi, I have ordered a firearm a couple of weeks ago
and still I have no shipping confirmation or anything
Eric (very upbeat) - O you are that guy "THEY" said was unhappy
THEY canceled the order
Your visa was issued credit
Me - Who is it THEY ?
I called YOU last week?
(he hung up on me and would not pick up- I left a msg)
What kind of business/nonsense is this ?

Eric (gingerly) - THEY are not going to be back until Monday
- THEY are on vacation

Me ( ) - So the stuff I read in the forums is true ....
Eric (pleased with himself) - Well... there you go....
Me - hang up - whats the point.

Me (again) - calling my visa - since with this kind of attitude - its hard to believe anything he says - was there a charge from *** is this called "Discount Distributors"
Visa - oh yes no ammoman but here is Discount Distr.,
yes charge
no credit
please hold for the dispute department
Me - good idea
Visa - we will deal with the merchants' bank
here is your credit we are issuing.
Me (thank g.d for visa) - thank you very much.

So ppl don't waste time (using Visa/MC/Amex...that is), and if you don't use a card then don't waste money.

will try elsewhere
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Old April 9, 2008, 10:13 AM   #38
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Beware of ammoman

I just had to register, if only to add my complaint and warning about dealing with Eric and ammoman.

Last Saturday I placed an online order with them and within 5 minutes received an email from Eric stating they were out-of-stock and the my credit card had been debited.

Okay, that's fine - an out-of-stock flag on the product page would have been helpful, but okay...

So this a.m. I'm doing on-line banking and see a charge from "Discount Distributors NJ 856-753-2500". ??? Who the hell is this ???

[now to preface this, last October while on vacation in Florida, somebody lifted all my credit and debit card info - including security codes - and began purchasing several thousand dollars of personal computers and having them shipped to South Carolina (I'm from Washington state). So I'm *very* sensitive to credit card theft and fraud]

I did a google on the phone number and it hit 'ammoman'. hmmm, that's interesting in that the day after I was told my order was canceled, I get a credit card charge...

I sent the following email:
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Good Morning,

I placed an internet order this past weekend for 500 rounds of 9X18 Makarov. I received an email within minutes informing me that you were out-of-stock and that my order had been canceled. I see today, however, that my credit card has been billed in the amount of $95 for the order.

Has the stock been shipped, have you failed to cancel/credit my VISA, or do I need to contact VISA and inform them of credit card fraud?
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His response [verbatim - no sig, no nothing]:
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Shipped after all but we are going to cancel and recall the shipment based on your fraud comment.
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My reply [verbatim except for sig]:
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I'm sorry you took offense at the comment. Please understand that I received a cancellation notice within 5 minutes of the order. I have received no further communication whatsoever since then. An order confirmation would have been courteous. The charge that showed up on my billing statement merely stated, "Discount Distributors NJ" and a phone number. I had to search the number to find out who you were.

Honestly, if the situation were reversed, you wouldn't be concerned or suspicious? I recently suffered several thousand dollars worth of credit card fraud while on vacation; I hope you'll understand if my radar is very acute in situations such as this, as I now check my on-line banking accounts on a very frequent basis.

If you do have the product, I would still appreciate purchasing and look forward to future business with your firm.
==============================

His final word:
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A simple what's up would have been fine and you did get a response in 5 minutes.
We will no longer deal with you and all e-mails, orders from this address, e-mail address or IP address are now blocked.

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My final word:
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Okay.

By the way, I'm a certified NRA Range Officer, active in a gun club of over 600 members. I'll be posting a sign in our clubhouse telling them not to deal with you.

I never received any notice that you were shipping this order.

Have a nice day.
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It must be quite a feat to have so much business and clientele that one can afford to be a rude, anger-management challenged pr!ck and to treat customers in this manner. At no time did I ever receive any notification that the order was processed. Deal at your own peril. And I *will* be posting a warning at my local gun club, as well as emailing others in our area.

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Old April 9, 2008, 05:06 PM   #39
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Good for you. I have always had good dealings with them when things are in stock. I have heard several horror stories like yours that make me very hesitant to ever order again. Sorry you had to go through this fracas.
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Old April 9, 2008, 05:26 PM   #40
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So I ended up sending my, "I'm posting a warning," response through a yahoo email account just to make sure he got it, what with the, "you're blocked" retort.

He replied with a one word email to my yahoo mail:

BLOCKED

This guy is definately a winner. I just spent $40 more with another merchant for the same product. And it was worth every penny!

Now I'm off to spread the word on all the car forums I belong to!

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Old April 9, 2008, 05:32 PM   #41
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I also got good experience with Ammoman before. I ordered few hundreds rounds of surplus 308. Packaging is excellent. They put wooden crate in plain box. Which is very useful when my neighbor asked me why that box is too heavy for its size.
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Old April 9, 2008, 06:50 PM   #42
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I am a big fan of Ammoman... I have always believed in the premise... "you get what you pay for"... Ammoman delivers and there aren't any "hidden surprises" (Price wise or delivery wise!!)
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Old July 6, 2009, 07:53 PM   #43
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Ammoman...why not?

The bottom line is that I am a fan of the ammoman. Eric may be from NJ, which normally makes people a little jumpy, but in general he gets it done. I just ordered 1000 rounds from the guy, and I like him this far. So far he has been nothing short of excellent with me.

I will update if something goes wrong.

Cheers...and BO SUCKS!
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Old July 10, 2009, 10:21 PM   #44
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Had to chime in

I will not do business with this guy...ever. Even if it means going without. PLaced an order 16 days ago and received the confirmation email. Card was charged many times and them refunded. I hope. After 16 days I emailed to ask what was up. Later I received a voice mail saying my order was cancelled. Called them back and was told "tuff". It was cancelled. Dont waste your time or your money with this guy. If you do take a chance, watch your card closely.
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Old July 13, 2009, 01:56 PM   #45
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Bad Experience with Ammoman :mad:

Ordered merchandise one box of ammo (1000 rounds @ $279) on Ammoman and received an error when I submitted my form. I immediately went online to look at my credit card and found that there were two charges for my order. When I spoke to the woman at AmmoMan she said I must have pushed the submit button twice. Later that day I received a call saying they didn't have my order in stock and would I like a substitute. I didn't want a substitute and they claimed my account would be credited. No credit yet after 4 days. Would NOT recommend them at all - They handle charges immediately but not credits.
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Old October 13, 2009, 02:00 AM   #46
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I used to recommend ammoman.com to my friends, family & co-workers. Never again. I've managed businesses and worked in customer service. These folks take the cake. You get what you pay for. In this case you are paying for a disorganized office, poorly trainined staff, and no concept of customer service. Doing business with ammoman.com is a gamble. There are better bets.
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Old May 9, 2011, 05:02 PM   #47
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O-M-G!!, I WAS going to place an order with these guys today,

but I AM SO GLAD I read this thread...

I don't do nasty attitude,

I don't do crappy customer service,

I don't do credit card shenanigans,

and I ESPECIALLY don't do phone hang-ups!

HOW RUDE!!
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Old May 9, 2011, 08:35 PM   #48
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Well, if I ever buy from him it has to be done locally, so he can't screw me up. I am one of the states he won't ship to, which I don't understand, since I am about 60 miles north of him in the same state................
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Old May 9, 2011, 08:42 PM   #49
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Old thread opened up by those that obviously didn't read the Feedback forum rules...

CLOSED...
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