"Weapons and Tactics" newsletter a fraud?

Whats-A-Glock? · August 26, 2001, 01:09 PM

I wasn't sure which forum was most appropriate for this, forgive me if I am wrong.

I, and others, subscribed to the newsletter\magazine called "Weapons and Tactics" and have never received an issue or confirmation of subscription. They cashed my check very fast but I have not heard anything from them. I cannot find a phone number and there is no information on the internet about them and their publisher does not reference them or is not on the web itself.

This newsletter appears to be a hoax. Am I wrong, if so I apologize. Has anyone else been suckered by these folks?

Buyer beware! I am posting on other boards also.

Erick Gelhaus · August 26, 2001, 02:27 PM

I'd say this is the appropriate place for this.

I have no experience with these folks, other than having received solicitations to subscribe - which I didn't.

Can anyone else comment?

August 26, 2001, 04:32 PM

Did you pay with a personal check or a money order? I don't have experience with that publication, but I have heard about quite a few scammers in my day. I have also heard that if you paid with a Postal Money Order, you can have them prosecuted for mail fraud.

Whats-A-Glock? · August 26, 2001, 05:11 PM

I paid by personal check, which they promptly cashed.

Quartus · August 26, 2001, 06:35 PM

If the solicitation came by mail, you still have a case of mail fraud, I believe.

What's a Glock, I appreciate the way you presented your case. Instead of assuming and accusing, you asked the obvious question.

That leaves open the possibility that there is simply a case of poor business practices here.

Griff · August 26, 2001, 11:22 PM

If you sent your check to them by USPS then you can file mail fraud against them. I would contact the Better Business Bureau and see if they are listed in their database. If their publisher doesn't know who they are then I would say there is a problem. If the BBB can't help you then I would call the USPS Inspector General. Thanks alot for putting this information out for the rest of us.

Whats-A-Glock? · August 27, 2001, 01:33 AM

I got their phone number from some other folks. I am going to call them first and give them the opportunity to correct the failure first.

Thanks for the feeback. I will update with the results

Quartus · August 27, 2001, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the feeback.

Well, I hope you do get your feeback!

Glock-o-matic · August 30, 2001, 03:38 PM

I get "Weapons and Tactics" and have been receiving all my issues with no problems. So-so on content, though; I doubt I'll renew.

Whats-A-Glock? · August 30, 2001, 06:36 PM

I called "Weapon's and Tactics" and there is no record of me or my subscription. They requested a copy the cancelled check, but I only get a copy of front from my bank. Of course, they so conveniently want a copy of the back, - the endorsement- which I do not have. Sounds like they have done this before. Of course I can get it from my bank at a charge so I am just writing this off and cutting my losses in time and money. I am sure that they would find some other hoops for me to jump through to prove that I am not lying. Education is not cheap and for $24 I learned a good lesson.

From what I have heard in other forums it isn't worth having anyway, and it isn't worth the risk of being cheated.

Stay away from "Weapons and Tactics" newsletter.

Spectre · August 30, 2001, 06:43 PM

Hey, I got my first issue of the new, improved SWAT recently! I was *very* impressed. I don't impress easily.

Try it. Sorry you got goofed up by the other guys, but hopefully it was just sloppy accounting. Unfortunately, these things happen- and since you don't know their publisher...

Whats-A-Glock? · September 5, 2001, 09:32 PM

I got two issues of the "Weapons and Tactics" newsletter. One appears to be the initial copy of a subscription, it has a coupon for $24 off a surefire light.

I tried to edit my previous post, but time had expired.

I was wrong and I apologize to the staff at "Weapons and Tactics". The guy I spoke to was very nice. I like the info too.

I regret that my suspicion and frustration got the best of me, and I appreciate the info I received from others.

August 26, 2001, 01:09 PM	#1
Whats-A-Glock? Member Join Date: July 15, 2001 Posts: 27	"Weapons and Tactics" newsletter a fraud? I wasn't sure which forum was most appropriate for this, forgive me if I am wrong. I, and others, subscribed to the newsletter\magazine called "Weapons and Tactics" and have never received an issue or confirmation of subscription. They cashed my check very fast but I have not heard anything from them. I cannot find a phone number and there is no information on the internet about them and their publisher does not reference them or is not on the web itself. This newsletter appears to be a hoax. Am I wrong, if so I apologize. Has anyone else been suckered by these folks? Buyer beware! I am posting on other boards also.

August 26, 2001, 06:35 PM	#5
Quartus Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,825	If the solicitation came by mail, you still have a case of mail fraud, I believe. What's a Glock, I appreciate the way you presented your case. Instead of assuming and accusing, you asked the obvious question. That leaves open the possibility that there is simply a case of poor business practices here. __________________ . Better to know what you don't know than to think you know what you don't know.

August 30, 2001, 06:43 PM	#11
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: DC Posts: 3,279	Hey, I got my first issue of the new, improved SWAT recently! I was very impressed. I don't impress easily. Try it. Sorry you got goofed up by the other guys, but hopefully it was just sloppy accounting. Unfortunately, these things happen- and since you don't know their publisher... __________________ John Wandering Thoughts

August 26, 2001, 02:27 PM	#2
Erick Gelhaus Staff Emeritus Join Date: October 28, 1998 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,750	I'd say this is the appropriate place for this. I have no experience with these folks, other than having received solicitations to subscribe - which I didn't. Can anyone else comment?

August 26, 2001, 04:32 PM	#3
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	Did you pay with a personal check or a money order? I don't have experience with that publication, but I have heard about quite a few scammers in my day. I have also heard that if you paid with a Postal Money Order, you can have them prosecuted for mail fraud.

August 26, 2001, 05:11 PM	#4
Whats-A-Glock? Member Join Date: July 15, 2001 Posts: 27	I paid by personal check, which they promptly cashed.

August 26, 2001, 11:22 PM	#6
Griff Member Join Date: February 17, 2001 Posts: 17	If you sent your check to them by USPS then you can file mail fraud against them. I would contact the Better Business Bureau and see if they are listed in their database. If their publisher doesn't know who they are then I would say there is a problem. If the BBB can't help you then I would call the USPS Inspector General. Thanks alot for putting this information out for the rest of us.

August 27, 2001, 01:33 AM	#7
Whats-A-Glock? Member Join Date: July 15, 2001 Posts: 27	I got their phone number from some other folks. I am going to call them first and give them the opportunity to correct the failure first. Thanks for the feeback. I will update with the results

August 30, 2001, 03:38 PM	#9
Glock-o-matic Junior Member Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: People's Republik of Illinois Posts: 4	I get "Weapons and Tactics" and have been receiving all my issues with no problems. So-so on content, though; I doubt I'll renew.

August 30, 2001, 06:36 PM	#10
Whats-A-Glock? Member Join Date: July 15, 2001 Posts: 27	I called "Weapon's and Tactics" and there is no record of me or my subscription. They requested a copy the cancelled check, but I only get a copy of front from my bank. Of course, they so conveniently want a copy of the back, - the endorsement- which I do not have. Sounds like they have done this before. Of course I can get it from my bank at a charge so I am just writing this off and cutting my losses in time and money. I am sure that they would find some other hoops for me to jump through to prove that I am not lying. Education is not cheap and for $24 I learned a good lesson. From what I have heard in other forums it isn't worth having anyway, and it isn't worth the risk of being cheated. Stay away from "Weapons and Tactics" newsletter.

September 5, 2001, 09:32 PM	#12
Whats-A-Glock? Member Join Date: July 15, 2001 Posts: 27	I got two issues of the "Weapons and Tactics" newsletter. One appears to be the initial copy of a subscription, it has a coupon for $24 off a surefire light. I tried to edit my previous post, but time had expired. I was wrong and I apologize to the staff at "Weapons and Tactics". The guy I spoke to was very nice. I like the info too. I regret that my suspicion and frustration got the best of me, and I appreciate the info I received from others.