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Old August 18, 2001, 04:38 PM   #1
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Recoil comparison .308 vs 30/30 vs .35

I am going to be purchasing a Marlin 336 in either 35 rem or 30/30 and i would like to know about the recoil produced by these two rounds. I am very familiar with the .223 and the ,308 as I own rifles in both these calibers, I have also fired my fathers .44 mag ruger if that helps with comparison. How do the 30/30 and .35 Rem compare?

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Old August 18, 2001, 04:47 PM   #2
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The 30-30 or .35 Rem will be noticeably lighter in recoil than a .308. I like to compare the .30-30 to a 20 gauge shotgun in terms of recoil.
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Old August 18, 2001, 05:11 PM   #3
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i've never shot a 30-30 but a 7.62x39 kicks a little less, noticebly, then a 35 remington. and i'de say the .308 kicks almost half over again more than the 35 remington out of a gun of simular weight.
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Old August 18, 2001, 06:36 PM   #4
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It depends on many factors... my m1a in .308 kicks much less than my marlin 30/30. as does my ruger m77vle which is a heavy rifle as well. Rifle weight and stock design have a lot to do with felt recoil. as a primer, i use the following table:

http://www.teleport.com/~chalu/recoil.htm

Hope that helps.
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Old August 18, 2001, 07:26 PM   #5
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Jsut sighted in my father's Marlin 336 in 30-30. Pretty accurate for a lever gun.

Really wierd thing, though; I can put >30 rounds downrange and not even notice the recoil except for the change in sight picture. On the other hand, Dad's shoulder has a hard time with five or six rounds. (BTW, he has 2" and ~25lbs on me). Go figure.
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Old August 19, 2001, 08:35 AM   #6
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Another funny thing: I never thought my marlin 30/30 had much recoil until i shout a couple hundred rounds through my m1a, then shot the marlin. i could only shoot a tube full and that was it. i didnt feel tired or have a sore shoulder or anything from the m1a, but for some reason that marlin did not feel good. i could really feel the difference in the recoil. the marlin also has a narrow stock with a small 'shoulder footprint' versus an m1a plus the m1a is a semi auto so it eats up a little bit of the recoil. the small stock footprint makes a differece, i would bet. the marlin is also a light rifle compared to the m1a with the full wood stock. anyway, just some more rambling.

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Old August 19, 2001, 11:51 AM   #7
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Old August 19, 2001, 12:08 PM   #8
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I've got a 336 in .30-30. Nice lever gun, pretty accurate, but I haven't shot it very much. I got it for some hog medicine out on my friend's farm, but haven't gotten a chance to see how it performs on 'em. Recoil is less than my old .303 was with 150gr or 180gr rounds. The 'footprint' of the buttstock is a little small, like someone mentioned, and it has a hard rubber pad. I think if I were to shoot it more often, I'd like to get a better buttpad. Probably drop a peep sight on the rear, the receiver is already tapped for that.

The Marlin is a NICE gun. I'm glad I got mine... it'll be my workhorse rifle for the rest of my life!

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Old August 19, 2001, 01:59 PM   #9
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I have a Winchester M94 in 30-30. The apparent recoil is significantly more than my .308 Tikka. I'm sure it all boils down to the lighter weight of the M94, and the skinny butt. The point is, it's going to depend a great deal on the platform, not just the cartridge.
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Old August 19, 2001, 02:34 PM   #10
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Recoil is very subjective, depends not only on the cartridge, but the rifle and shooter as well. For me, firing from similar rifles (Marlin and USRA/Winchester lever actions), 44 mag has most recoil, 35 Rem second and 30-30 last. 44 slaps my shoulder, similar to a shotgun. Most healthy aldults will be able to shoot any of these cartidges with a little practice.
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Old August 19, 2001, 08:52 PM   #11
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I would recommend the .30-30 because the 336 has continual misfiring headaches with the .35 Remington. The problem is inadequate cartridge support from the tiny shoulder.

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Old August 20, 2001, 06:11 AM   #12
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The difference in recoil is supposed to be proportional to the momentum(mass times vel) of the round (assuming the guns are of equal weight).

Most to least on recoil should be 180gr .308, 150gr 308, 200gr 35 Rem, 170 gr 3030, then 150 gr 3030.

Your calculator may tell you the 200 gr Rem has 9% more recoil than a 170 gr 30-30, but if the 30-30 is a naked 6 1/2 pounds and the Marlin is scoped out at 7 3/4 pounds your shouder may tell you the 30-30 kicks more.

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Old August 20, 2001, 07:46 PM   #13
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Primarily, recoil depends on the weight of the bullet and its velocity and the weight of the rifle.
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Old August 22, 2001, 02:42 PM   #14
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Well, I have never shot a .35rem at the same time as another rifle to compare recoil, but the 35's recoil not at all harsh. It also has to be the best white tail deer rifle out to 150 yards or so. Much better then the 30-30 from what I have seen.

Three people that I do/did hunt with use the 35, one fella since the 1930's or so, one since 1950's, the other since the 1970's. Two of them with Marlins, never a problem with either gun. My Uncle bought his Marlin in 1957, and my other friend was given his in the late 1970's by his grandfather, don't know how old the gun is. Between the two guns, they have killed lots of deer. None have ever had a faliure to kill a deer with one well placed shot. Of course, these guys all can/could shoot well, and didn't take crap shots at a deer.
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Old August 22, 2001, 02:59 PM   #15
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Stock design has a lot to do with apparent recoil. A lil 30/30 lever gun has more apparent recoil than a bolt action or semi 308. Especially if the 30/30 is short barreled. JMHO
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